Superman Returns Luthor's Evil Plot

explode7 said:
Dude I'm just messing with you it's all good right?:) :O :(
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Ok i apologize, i just wasn't in a good mood. It's all good man. :) :up:
 
Cool I feel much better I can go to sleep like a baby now:)
 
Look, as I think, Luthor want to destroy big part of US and billions of people, to become the main leader. If he has so dangerous weapon, he will get power.

This is my point of view, and I think it has sense.
 
Superman \S/ said:
New Krypton
Is basically what Lex has in mind. And really it should be awesome to see how Superman will deal with the task to stop him.
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Agreed, it is really intersting how Superman will stop NK.
 
Luthor hates Superman because he's an alien, he wants power, and he wants to satisfy his ego, and he wants Superman dead. And he doesn't care who he harms to get those things accomplished.

Sounds like the Luthor I know.
 
Oh hell yes. I pray it's what I think it is.
 
The Guard said:
Oh hell yes. I pray it's what I think it is.
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And what would that be?

For me i see it as chaos all over Metropolis, and as we know an eartquake will occur. After Superman finds NK and has to fight his way to Lex by avoiding pieces of kryptonite.....Something like that but with a visual of intense action.
 
Cinemaman said:
Agreed, it is really intersting how Superman will stop NK.
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weren't there rumors back in the day of Superman hurling New Krypton into space?
 
Dope Nose said:
weren't there rumors back in the day of Superman hurling New Krypton into space?
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The only rumor i remember when SR was staring out was Metallo had some involvement in the film. I don't remember something of Supes throwing NK into space though.....
 
Spare-Flair said:
So it seem apparent that Luthor's plot is to blow off part of the U.S. continent to create his own which will cause billions of deaths. Isn't this just a rehash of the original Superman's plot to knock off the pacific coast for real estate? Just with alien technology instead of ICBMs?

Does anybody else have a problem with this? It seems very unoriginal to me and again, smacks of unoriginality and the Hackman characterization of Luthor which completely goes against what Luthor actually is in the comics. It's too blatantely obvious, over-the-top, and ultimately stupid thing for Luthor to do.

Luthor should be a cold, calculating, cold-blooded, and ruthless individual but ultimately he sees himself as the salvation of mankind against the alien (Superman) and that's the source of his enmity with Superman. He wouldn't cause billions of deaths to help himself (wouldn't blowing off 1/4 of the U.S. ruin this economy and his empire as well?), although he wouldn't blink at killing behind the scenes, never getting his actual hands dirty enough to be incriminated or disdained by the general population.

He's someone who revels in his own genius in weaving impossibly intricate plots beyond even Superman's ability to decipher as his true weapon and ability to beat his foe. He's someone incredibly evil, but also incredibly smart and restrained who has his work done by others in the shadows unless it aids his public persona (ie: running for President). In the comics, one of the reasons he hates Superman is that Superman takes the glory away from him as being a great contributer to mankind.

It just frustrates me so much that Singer seems to have no idea who Lex Luthor is, thinks, or has things done and has just gone back to the same concept of Hackman's crazy Luthor done to the same exact plot. Would Luthor even do something like kidnap Lois and her kid and openly taunt them? It all seems so childish. He also seems to be keeping the exact same company as the Hackman Luthor, a bunch of comical henchman and a spoiled comical lady companion. What happened to Luthor's adept agents, cold blooded killers, evil business partners (keeping his enemies closer than his friends), and keeping women (or being kept around by powerful women) like the Contessa?

Why do all comic book villains in movies have to be the same? I realize we've only seen a sliver of his character from the trailer but it's just remininding me of Tommy Lee Jones playing Two-Face like the Joker and every other crazy manically laughing villain because Schumacher had no idea what he was doing. Let's hope Singer fares better.
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Amen to all that. Another thing though - Luthor is evil but he doesn't think he is. No truly evil person does. He thinks he's doing good. He's helping mankind - he means well. He thinks knows what's best for us all, and the ends justify the means. He commits criminal acts but does not believe himself to be a criminal - he's above the law and common morality. There are a LOT of people like that in the real world and throughout history.

Hackspace's Luthor is evil, well, "just because". He's evil because he's the villain, and it really doesn't go beyond that. It's lazy and over the top, and belongs in the past. Modern Luthor is just 100 times more interesting. HE SHOULD NEVER SEE HIMSELF AS A VILLAIN! He should be aware that some people think of him as one, be he's also way smarter than them and knows they're wrong. He's a great benefactor and protector of mankind, not a villain.
 
Luthor going after Kryptonian technology for his own twisted use. Guys seem to have a problem with this. But how is this different from the others? It's happened before, how is it so bad now?

Luthor sees himself as the all powerful man. He wants power. But Superman is powerful than him in his superpowers and technology of his origin. Thus, he feels threatened. So he feels that the technologies that are powerful and deadly should belong to him. And if he is not gonna have it, he'll make sure no one does.

With the technology in his plate, he can do anything. He could become a dicator of his own created country but I believe theres something else that he would do to make sure he'll stay that way. For example: since he has the technology that surpasses any other, he could make weapons for any army (with how to disable them in his posession in case they were used on him) and whoever was the highest bidder would get it and others would fight each other to get anything else Luthor created next.

For Luthor: the kryptonian technology is business. Superman is saved for personal.

Thats what I believe on his plot.
 
lujho said:
Amen to all that. Another thing though - Luthor is evil but he doesn't think he is. No truly evil person does. He thinks he's doing good. He's helping mankind - he means well. He thinks knows what's best for us all, and the ends justify the means. He commits criminal acts but does not believe himself to be a criminal - he's above the law and common morality. There are a LOT of people like that in the real world and throughout history.

Hackspace's Luthor is evil, well, "just because". He's evil because he's the villain, and it really doesn't go beyond that. It's lazy and over the top, and belongs in the past. Modern Luthor is just 100 times more interesting. HE SHOULD NEVER SEE HIMSELF AS A VILLAIN! He should be aware that some people think of him as one, be he's also way smarter than them and knows they're wrong. He's a great benefactor and protector of mankind, not a villain.
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I think that's one type of evil. I also think that there are evil people who just truly believe they are superior to everyone else. They don't care about helping mankind because mankind isn't worth it.

Frankly, your definition of a villain bores me.
 
Continuation of my post (#38)

For something like this plan, not just the US but every nation would make sure it wouldn't happen. But once Luthor reveals what weapon he created, and that he was willingly to give it to the highest bidder including United Nations and its governments, and you would know that even terriorists, or sides of war, would go after it making their enemies do the same and others following suit. That's their weakness, and Luthor knows it.

From that, they wouldn't go fight him if that meant their power gone and their enemies taking over.
 
This is taking over-analysis to a new, depressingly, morbidly, and frighteningly low state.
 
Look, I simply don't want the Hackman version of Luthor. It's just Donald Trump gone berserk with greed with a dabble of comical outbursts.

Luthor isn't someone driven by greed. He's a person driven by intellect. He's the evil scientist WHO HAPPENS to be rich because he's a genius and has invented and patented everything for good or for bad. Luthor feels alone in the world, that everyone else is a simpleton and his intelligence defines him and his mission. It also makes him look down on everyone else, therefore his inhummanity and superiority complex that allows him to be cold blooded and ruthless.

Luthor's motivation is hatred of Superman and desire to destroy him, perfect way is to frame Superman and make him look bad in the public image. I hope some element of that character takes place because it hurts Superman more to be loathed by humanity (through Luthor's deceptions) than for Luthor to physically stab him.

Go read Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, Superman: Birthright, or Superman for All Seasons for some of what I'm talking about.
 
Spare-Flair said:
Look, I simply don't want the Hackman version of Luthor. It's just Donald Trump gone berserk with greed with a dabble of comical outbursts.

Luthor isn't someone driven by greed. He's a person driven by intellect. He's the evil scientist WHO HAPPENS to be rich because he's a genius and has invented and patented everything for good or for bad. Luthor feels alone in the world, that everyone else is a simpleton and his intelligence defines him and his mission. It also makes him look down on everyone else, therefore his inhummanity and superiority complex that allows him to be cold blooded and ruthless.

Luthor's motivation is hatred of Superman and desire to destroy him, perfect way is to frame Superman and make him look bad in the public image. I hope some element of that character takes place because it hurts Superman more to be loathed by humanity (through Luthor's deceptions) than for Luthor to physically stab him.

Go read Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, Superman: Birthright, or Superman for All Seasons for some of what I'm talking about.
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Go read All-Star Superman or the 40 years of comics before Byrne's crap to get what I'm talking about. And Birthright? Lex was whacko and made really lame jokes in that story.
 
The Guard said:
Luthor hates Superman because he's an alien, he wants power, and he wants to satisfy his ego, and he wants Superman dead. And he doesn't care who he harms to get those things accomplished.

Sounds like the Luthor I know.
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He also want to be better than Superman.

As Luthor think, with help of NK he will get power, because only he will have so dangerous weapon.
 
Dope Nose said:
weren't there rumors back in the day of Superman hurling New Krypton into space?
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NO, it will not be as I know.
 
MatchesMalone said:
Go read All-Star Superman or the 40 years of comics before Byrne's crap to get what I'm talking about. And Birthright? Lex was whacko and made really lame jokes in that story.
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Most people are more familar with the current Lex Luthor. From what I know, Lex NOW is a merging of the mad scientist and business man right? Good choice.

BTW, how are Lex's jokes lame in "Birthright" when you got Hackman wearing wigs and flamboyant outfits are worse? "Wanna see my long arm"?
 
And its sick, using SUperman's own heritage against him and his adopted planet. There's a cruelty in that.
 
There is a ton of cruelty in that. Spacey's face looks so scary when he stabs Superman as well.
 
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