Superman Returns Luthor's Evil Plot

[Binker]

I watched JLU's final two episodes and Luthor wanted to use Brainiac (a Kryptonian piece of technology) becasue he wanted to be a god. See a similar picture here?

 

[The Kid]

I wonder if spacey gave routh tips on how to play an alien.

 

[The Guard]

Luthor isn't someone driven by greed. He's a person driven by intellect. He's the evil scientist WHO HAPPENS to be rich because he's a genius and has invented and patented everything for good or for bad.

He is indeed driven by greed, or lust. A lust for power. Which is a kind of greed.

Luthor feels alone in the world, that everyone else is a simpleton and his intelligence defines him and his mission. It also makes him look down on everyone else, therefore his inhummanity and superiority complex that allows him to be cold blooded and ruthless.

Luthor doesn't neccessarily feel alone. He feels superior.

Luthor's motivation is hatred of Superman and desire to destroy him, perfect way is to frame Superman and make him look bad in the public image. I hope some element of that character takes place because it hurts Superman more to be loathed by humanity (through Luthor's deceptions) than for Luthor to physically stab him.

Of course it will. Since it will end up apparently Luthor who made Superman think Krypton survived to begin with.

Go read Lex Luthor: Man of Steel, Superman: Birthright, or Superman for All Seasons for some of what I'm talking about.

Those are three sources. Lex Luthor has shown a desire for power and money before (money equals power). His characterization in SUPERMAN RETURNS is extremely consistent with several eras of the comics.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

I wonder if spacey gave routh tips on how to play an alien.

K-Pax maybe?

 

[Cinemaman]

K-Pax maybe?

I love this movie! Also American Beauty, Swimming with Sharks and L.A. Confedential.

Spacey is one of the greatest actors for me

 

[Binker]

Remember what I said about Luthor using this technology in the film for people to buy and use?

Loom atbteh back of Lex vs. Lois

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8849348&postcount=254

I WAS RIGHT!

 

[SuperDaniel]

Wich is somehow what he would do if he was owner of LexCorp but more visually interesting and fun, i guess.

 

[NotFadeAway]

So it seem apparent that Luthor's plot is to blow off part of the U.S. continent to create his own which will cause billions of deaths. Isn't this just a rehash of the original Superman's plot to knock off the pacific coast for real estate? Just with alien technology instead of ICBMs?

Does anybody else have a problem with this? It seems very unoriginal to me and again, smacks of unoriginality and the Hackman characterization of Luthor which completely goes against what Luthor actually is in the comics. It's too blatantely obvious, over-the-top, and ultimately stupid thing for Luthor to do.

Luthor should be a cold, calculating, cold-blooded, and ruthless individual but ultimately he sees himself as the salvation of mankind against the alien (Superman) and that's the source of his enmity with Superman. He wouldn't cause billions of deaths to help himself (wouldn't blowing off 1/4 of the U.S. ruin this economy and his empire as well?), although he wouldn't blink at killing behind the scenes, never getting his actual hands dirty enough to be incriminated or disdained by the general population.

He's someone who revels in his own genius in weaving impossibly intricate plots beyond even Superman's ability to decipher as his true weapon and ability to beat his foe. He's someone incredibly evil, but also incredibly smart and restrained who has his work done by others in the shadows unless it aids his public persona (ie: running for President). In the comics, one of the reasons he hates Superman is that Superman takes the glory away from him as being a great contributer to mankind.

It just frustrates me so much that Singer seems to have no idea who Lex Luthor is, thinks, or has things done and has just gone back to the same concept of Hackman's crazy Luthor done to the same exact plot. Would Luthor even do something like kidnap Lois and her kid and openly taunt them? It all seems so childish. He also seems to be keeping the exact same company as the Hackman Luthor, a bunch of comical henchman and a spoiled comical lady companion. What happened to Luthor's adept agents, cold blooded killers, evil business partners (keeping his enemies closer than his friends), and keeping women (or being kept around by powerful women) like the Contessa?

Why do all comic book villains in movies have to be the same? I realize we've only seen a sliver of his character from the trailer but it's just remininding me of Tommy Lee Jones playing Two-Face like the Joker and every other crazy manically laughing villain because Schumacher had no idea what he was doing. Let's hope Singer fares better.

My friend, I am in 100% agreement with you. The Hackman Lex needed to stay buried in the past.

I have twisted feeling's about this film. I like that it wasn't an origin story, as everyone over the age of 5 knows about Krypton blowing up, etc. And I like the story of Superman returning from a long absence to a world that has forgotten him, it's so true on many levels.But I don't like that there using the same 1977, pre-crisis characterizations. I fear that it's just not going to cut it in this day and age!!!!

If they were going to use any previous characterizations as a base, they should have checked out the Animated Series. For me individually, it's still the most enjoyable adaption!!!!

 

[Metropolis_Man]

I love this movie! Also American Beauty, Swimming with Sharks and L.A. Confedential.

Spacey is one of the greatest actors for me

Yes, definately. Hes one of my all time favorites as well.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Spacey is going to be awesome as Lex Luthor

 

[Mr. Sinister05]

The Hackman Lex needed to stay buried in the past.

I have twisted feeling's about this film. I like that it wasn't an origin story, as everyone over the age of 5 knows about Krypton blowing up, etc. And I like the story of Superman returning from a long absence to a world that has forgotten him, it's so true on many levels.But I don't like that there using the same 1977, pre-crisis characterizations. I fear that it's just not going to cut it in this day and age!!!!

I also don't like the whole pre-crisis characterization thing cause I don't care for seeing another planet get spun around.
Hopefully, that whole billions of people are going to die line is just Lex trying to get a reaction out of Lois cause I think the whole mastermind trying to destroy the world has become too cliche. The type of Lex Spare-Flair described sounds more suitable for a modern film adaptation.

 

[Cinemaman]

Yes, definately. Hes one of my all time favorites as well.

I was happy, when I had known about Spacey acting Lex Luthor.

He is perfect choice for this role.

 

[zanos]

I went to business school, that's just business school bunk I also have a poli sci degree, that's not power. Lex's libido ad domini is smarter than that. You can't sustain land, capital, labor, entrepreneurship (especially that one) and techology under tyrannical dictatorship behind alien guns. Lex Luthor will run for U.S. President to use all it's infrastructure to his own advantage. He won't blatently destroy all that infrastructure and create a political enemy in making himself the president of his own island.

Sigh, it's just a movie. And a comic book movie to boot about a solar powered alien baby...and I know I am nerdy and totally stupid to be overthinking this not to mention making so many posts...

I just want something grittier and new. Not a rehash of the same old thing. I just want Singer to earnestly listen to fans and make an effort to get something out of the comics which have been published hundreds of thousands of times for decades versus taking so much from one movie back in the 70s. Do something like what Nolan did in listening to fans for their choice in Bale, working with David Goyer to write the script with so much of the comic in it that fans were just oozing with acknowledgement at all the homages to Year One, Chronicles of the Dark Knight, tons of Bat comics, and various name drops and proper characterizations. Sure Ras turned out to be more Irish than Arab, but he was the proper character and the plot was subtle and hidden. Everything about SR seems overdone and the obvious...jump the shark material.

First of all Singer has never read a Superman comic so how can he get something out of there to make a story? Second BB was far from being the utlimate Superhero movie. There were a ton of flaws in that film both creative and techinical.

Lois has a kid? Is it Superman's? What's Lex going to do? Oh, the same thing?

Lex getting that land will be an underlying theme throughout this entire franchise. It's like the ring in LOTR. Once Lex gets that Land he'll be all powerful and not even Superman will be able to stop him! Unless... he gets help from super-BOY in the third film. Now do you see the genius that is Singer?

 

[Binker]

Guys, from what I've seen, this Lex Luthor is the modern day version with a tweek of the STAS/JLU one

 

[bsquad]

check out the cards for Lex's plan: he will have weapons, vehicles from an advanced civilization, on a self sustaining land, virtually indestructible (and if the tech is like that to than he is sitting in the middle of a giant shield basically)and he is looking to sell some of the tech to the highest bidders. so in the end its economics and revenge that is driving his planhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8849348&postcount=254

 

[Binker]

Yeah, that is the businessman part of him.

 

[skruloos]

First of all Singer has never read a Superman comic so how can he get something out of there to make a story?

Because he's familiar enough with Superman from other media. You ARE aware that Superman exists in other media, are you not? After that, when working on the details of the story, it is well documented that they read a lot of comic books provided to them by DC Comics.

Second BB was far from being the utlimate Superhero movie. There were a ton of flaws in that film both creative and techinical.

There are a ton of flaws in any film. And it's bound to be more noticeable when some people cannot accept changes in an adaptation.

 

[The Guard]

I just want something grittier and new. Not a rehash of the same old thing. I just want Singer to earnestly listen to fans and make an effort to get something out of the comics which have been published hundreds of thousands of times for decades versus taking so much from one movie back in the 70s.

Not to be a bunghole, but Lex Luthor's last few "big moves" in the DC Universe involved land grabs and power seeking.

Do something like what Nolan did in listening to fans for their choice in Bale, working with David Goyer to write the script with so much of the comic in it that fans were just oozing with acknowledgement at all the homages to Year One, Chronicles of the Dark Knight, tons of Bat comics, and various name drops and proper characterizations.

Wow. Goyer took vague references from the comics. Think Singer, Harris and Doughtery didn't? You'll see.

Sure Ras turned out to be more Irish than Arab, but he was the proper character and the plot was subtle and hidden.

Subtle my ass.

First of all Singer has never read a Superman comic so how can he get something out of there to make a story? Second BB was far from being the utlimate Superhero movie. There were a ton of flaws in that film both creative and techinical.

Singer has definitely read Superman comics. He, Dan Harris and Mike Doughterty were required to do so by DC. And they read TONS of them. He knows the mythology. And SUPERMAN RETURNS takes elements from the comics, the movies, TV and radio shows.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

there's an understatement....