Man kills his daughter After She Unplugs His XBox

[Sloth7d]

After reading this article how can you oppose the death penalty?

Because an eye for an eye is idiot logic.

 

[X-Chick]

Because an eye for an eye is idiot logic.

eye for an eye has nothing to do with it

 

[Sloth7d]

eye for an eye has nothing to do with it

Then why do you want him killed?

 

[X-Chick]

Then why do you want him killed?

Because a man who is heartless enough to kill his own child would have no problems slaughtering others. The death penalty isn't and has never been about revenge. Revenge isn't justice. It's about permanently stopping those who wouldn't stop themselves.

 

[Sloth7d]

Because a man who is heartless enough to kill his own child would have no problems slaughtering others. The death penalty isn't and has never been about revenge. Revenge isn't justice. It's about permanently stopping those who wouldn't stop themselves.

The guy pretty much didn't meant to kill her so that point is moot. He snapped, it happens.
But no, the death penalty is about anything but justice and soley about revenge. For starters keeping a man in prision for the rest of his life cost less than it would to put him on deathrow. And both situations have the same effect. They stop killers from killing again. Only the death penalty occurs when A)you kill several civilians,B)you kill a cop, federal agent or higher, or C)the public is outraged at who you or how you killed someone.
Now option A can easily have that man sentenced to over 50 years in prison without possiblity of parole. The death penalty is not needed to keep him off the street. If used it is just showing that public outrage>Justice. A sign of the public wanting revenge.
While options B and C is even worse. The whole motive for the death penalty is strictly based on the outline of:"Oh you killed that kid/cop or other, you die.What? You feel sorry that you did it? You still die. Would it be easier to give you 25 years? No because that is too good for you."
All signs of the public wanting revenge not justice. Thats all the death penalty is. You could easily send a man somewhere until to live out the majority of his life, but the public wants revenge. And thats what the death penalty is all about.

 

[X-Chick]

Its not revenge. Its used (a.) to stop them from doing it again; (b.) to prevent others from doing it in the first place. To argue about it is moot anyway

 

[Sloth7d]

Its not revenge. Its used (a.) to stop them from doing it again; (b.) to prevent others from doing it in the first place. To argue about it is moot anyway

(a)Already explained how life sentences can do that. (b)The death penalty is especially enforced in Texas and yet it doesn't stop anyone from killing. Nothing can stop that. But if you didn't want to argue, my first response wasn't aimed at you. You first quoted me.

 

[Showtime]

Well this guy obviously made an incredible mistake that he will have to live with the rest of his life. It will torment his mind, body, and soul every minute.

This guy had no history of violence and snapped over a videogame, how sad is that. Now those people who blame violence on video games will have a really good case. Ugh.

 

[ScottyBBadd]

Because an eye for an eye is idiot logic.

It is not eye for an eye. It is justice.

 

[Assassin]

PPL are strange.

 

[hippy fascist]

The guy pretty much didn't meant to kill her so that point is moot. He snapped, it happens.

Not unless you're a piece of ****

People snap and shout at their kids

They snap and throw a plate against the wall.

They don't punch a baby in the face twice

If you can do that, you aren't human

 

[Asteroid-Man]

OMG that's horrible!

 

[04nbod]

i hope he's being seriously punished in prison.He's a sick person.

 

[Sloth7d]

It is not eye for an eye. It is justice.

I already got done explaining how thats revenge not justice.

 

[jaguarr]

I already got done explaining how thats revenge not justice.

It's not revenge. It's making sure that the person who did something so awful can never...ever...ever do it again. It's also protecting the interests of the public who could fall victim to him if he were ever let out of prison (should he survive what will most likely happen to him in there) or, alternatively, would have to foot the bill with their tax dollars to keep him incarcerated for the rest of his life if he's not going to have a death sentence carried out. We spend far more on warehousing the criminal element in this country than we do on our own children's education. In fact, most major prisons spend a fortune in tax dollars on not only keeping prisoners locked up, but on education for them, sports equipment, law libraries, cable and satellite television, video games, computers with high speed internet access, and other luxuries while we have kids who never even get to touch a computer during their entire scholastic careers. There's something VERY wrong with that. They ceased to be human when they started killing other people as far as I'm concerned, so save the tax dollars for something worthwhile like our schools and eliminate these vermin from the planet where they can't ever hurt anyone ever again and they can't siphon off hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax dollars just to keep them locked up.

jag

 

[kane9321]

awww shyte Kill this bastard

 

[Sloth7d]

It's not revenge. It's making sure that the person who did something so awful can never...ever...ever do it again. It's also protecting the interests of the public who could fall victim to him if he were ever let out of prison (should he survive what will most likely happen to him in there) or, alternatively, would have to foot the bill with their tax dollars to keep him incarcerated for the rest of his life if he's not going to have a death sentence carried out. We spend far more on warehousing the criminal element in this country than we do on our own children's education. In fact, most major prisons spend a fortune in tax dollars on not only keeping prisoners locked up, but on education for them, sports equipment, law libraries, cable and satellite television, video games, computers with high speed internet access, and other luxuries while we have kids who never even get to touch a computer during their entire scholastic careers. There's something VERY wrong with that. They ceased to be human when they started killing other people as far as I'm concerned, so save the tax dollars for something worthwhile like our schools and eliminate these vermin from the planet where they can't ever hurt anyone ever again and they can't siphon off hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax dollars just to keep them locked up.

jag

Its already been shown the death penalty is even more expensive than giving life sentences. And I already explained how keeping them locked up is just as efficient without the hypocracy . No, Idon't agree with inmates recieving internet access or cable privalages. Yes, the justice system screwd up on that one. Though I think a library could do them some good. As dumb as most prisoners are, not reading a book is probably what got them in jail in the first place.

 

[jaguarr]

Its already been shown the death penalty is even more expensive than giving life sentences. And I already explained how keeping them locked up is just as efficient without the hypocracy . No, Idon't agree with inmates recieving internet access or cable privalages. Yes, the justice system screwd up on that one. Though I think a library could do them some good. As dumb as most prisoners are, not reading a book is probably what got them in jail in the first place.

I don't know about that, to be honest. I suppose it's possible in certain cases where there are massive court costs from litigation, writs and appeals. But, put a moratorium and limitations on all of that so that it can't go on forever and start pumping a syringe full of lethal toxins into every single murderer that was ever convicted for being guilty beyond an absolute shadow of a doubt of killing another human being with malice (because some things like most cases of vehicular manslaughter aren't things that people usually do purposefully) and I bet it will get a whole lot cheaper in the long run since it costs something along the lines of $120k per year for each death row inmate to keep them locked up. Couple that with some SERIOUS hard labor for all the other a-holes that are locked up that will just wear them down so hard they've got no energy to engage in all the prison rape and gangs and other illegal activities that go on in prison because they know they have to get up the next day to do it and I bet you'd see crime rates plummet. Particularly where murder is concerned. Most of these people know they can kill someone in cold blood and most likely never face the death penalty thanks to the appeal process, even in a state like Texas. And, they also know that prison has a lot of things that are maybe much nicer than they have had it in the barrio or the hood or poor white trash town where they grew up so it's not deterrent for them and is in fact a bit of a vacation where they can learn how to be a better criminal, get some street cred, work out all day and maybe even get their degree so they can be a smarter criminal. If it was guaranteed that they would be breaking rocks for 12 hours a day, six days a week for years on end if they got caught, I bet they'd think twice about committing that crime. If it was guaranteed that they got caught and it was proven without a shadow of a doubt that they killed another human being that they themselves would die, I bet they'd think twice about killing another human being.

We're too easy on criminals in this country.

jag

 

[Spider-Bite]

Just put him in general population and let everyone in there know exactly what he did. Its cats inside that would kill just to hold the hands of their babies. This dude won't last a week.

it's not like everybody else in prison is any better of a human being. and although what he did was horrible, going from the comments of the mother, it looks like he just mentally snapped, and he probably wasn't somebody who regularly lives a violent or criminal lifestyle.

but yes do put him in general population. I'm sure that's where he is. however chances are nobody is doing anything to him. I've known people who have spent time in prison, and it's really nothing like on tv they all say. you aren't getting raped by a big black man with gold teeth. people aren't getting beaten up.

when you see those msnbc lock ups, your seeing the worst of the worst in prison.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I don't know about that, to be honest. I suppose it's possible in certain cases where there are massive court costs from litigation, writs and appeals. But, put a moratorium and limitations on all of that so that it can't go on forever and start pumping a syringe full of lethal toxins into every single murderer that was ever convicted for being guilty beyond an absolute shadow of a doubt of killing another human being with malice (because some things like most cases of vehicular manslaughter aren't things that people usually do purposefully) and I bet it will get a whole lot cheaper in the long run since it costs something along the lines of $120k per year for each death row inmate to keep them locked up. Couple that with some SERIOUS hard labor for all the other a-holes that are locked up that will just wear them down so hard they've got no energy to engage in all the prison rape and gangs and other illegal activities that go on in prison because they know they have to get up the next day to do it and I bet you'd see crime rates plummet. Particularly where murder is concerned. Most of these people know they can kill someone in cold blood and most likely never face the death penalty thanks to the appeal process, even in a state like Texas. And, they also know that prison has a lot of things that are maybe much nicer than they have had it in the barrio or the hood or poor white trash town where they grew up so it's not deterrent for them and is in fact a bit of a vacation where they can learn how to be a better criminal, get some street cred, work out all day and maybe even get their degree so they can be a smarter criminal. If it was guaranteed that they would be breaking rocks for 12 hours a day, six days a week for years on end if they got caught, I bet they'd think twice about committing that crime. If it was guaranteed that they got caught and it was proven without a shadow of a doubt that they killed another human being that they themselves would die, I bet they'd think twice about killing another human being.

We're too easy on criminals in this country.

jag

were castrating sex offenders in two states, and executing them in two more as of a year ago.

were torturing suspected terrorists

too easy? were on our path to outdoing the chinese government. Unfortanately this is what happen when politicians use our primal instincts to their advantage, and shows like 24 glorify violence. Society goes straight down that slope, like they got weights in their shoes.

We don't want prison to be like the streets of chicago all over again, just like their childhood which created them in the first place all over again, just to condition people so they come out even worse.

Remember most criminals who are not sentenced to life in prison are forced to be rehabilated when they are released now. And if we make prison any worse than it already is, it will only make criminals even more of a criminal when they get out. Over 95% of our prison population was abused either sexually, phcyhologically, or physically as a child regularly.

Law enforcement should do just that. Enforce the law. It's not productive or responsible to simply make ourselves feel better by getting as much revenge as possible.

And for most people in prison, all of the gang rapes, and gang violence isn't really happening. Because people like that end up in solitary confinement. Think about it. If there is that many people in prison who want to ass **** somebody, wouldn't they just consent to doing it with each other?

 

[jaguarr]

I don't care. Prison should be a place NOBODY ever wants to go to. Period. Work their asses off with hard labor. They'll never want to go. And, yes, execute murders and quit spending tax dollars on them. Period. Oh, and prison rape isn't about sex, it's about power (same as regular rape). It's about dominance and exercising control over others. That's why it happens in prison, not because it's sexy fun.

jag

 

[Calvin]

If we're complaining about criminals getting out again, why don't we lobby for more actual life sentences, rather than going straight for the death penalty. If you look at the stats, places with the death penalty don't seem to be doing too hot as far as deterrence goes. Look at how many horrible killers end their lives before being apprehended. Seems like the idea of death after being caught wouldn't be too much of a scare for sickos.

 

[Sloth7d]

I don't know about that, to be honest. I suppose it's possible in certain cases where there are massive court costs from litigation, writs and appeals. But, put a moratorium and limitations on all of that so that it can't go on forever and start pumping a syringe full of lethal toxins into every single murderer that was ever convicted for being guilty beyond an absolute shadow of a doubt of killing another human being with malice (because some things like most cases of vehicular manslaughter aren't things that people usually do purposefully) and I bet it will get a whole lot cheaper in the long run since it costs something along the lines of $120k per year for each death row inmate to keep them locked up. Couple that with some SERIOUS hard labor for all the other a-holes that are locked up that will just wear them down so hard they've got no energy to engage in all the prison rape and gangs and other illegal activities that go on in prison because they know they have to get up the next day to do it and I bet you'd see crime rates plummet. Particularly where murder is concerned. Most of these people know they can kill someone in cold blood and most likely never face the death penalty thanks to the appeal process, even in a state like Texas. And, they also know that prison has a lot of things that are maybe much nicer than they have had it in the barrio or the hood or poor white trash town where they grew up so it's not deterrent for them and is in fact a bit of a vacation where they can learn how to be a better criminal, get some street cred, work out all day and maybe even get their degree so they can be a smarter criminal. If it was guaranteed that they would be breaking rocks for 12 hours a day, six days a week for years on end if they got caught, I bet they'd think twice about committing that crime. If it was guaranteed that they got caught and it was proven without a shadow of a doubt that they killed another human being that they themselves would die, I bet they'd think twice about killing another human being.

We're too easy on criminals in this country.

jag

Yes we are. I do not dissagree with you there. But killing to set an example or revene isn't the answer and doesn't work. As you pointed out Texas is enforcing the death penalty more than anyone. And yet people are still killing each other there. Neither the death penalty or life in prison will stop that. Most crimes are either commited by individuals with mental instabilities, gangs(poor people), or someone who snaps(crimes of passion). Setting an example will never stop those with mental defects(which the birth of them get higher and higher everyday) since mostly they have trouble stopping themselves from doing wrong even though they don't want to. Pedophiles cannot stop their attractions for kids the sameway gays can not stop their attraction for men(not saying being gay is a mental defect.) Point is all sexual orientation is 100% mental. A bipolar individual cannot stop his mood swings from going lovey dovey to murderous and it only takes that instant for a murder to happen. Poor people have nothing to lose already so death sentences could mean squat since they're already putting their life on the line with people on the street. Crimes of passion can happen without the individual realising he did it until afterwards(trust me I know.) One time I was so emotionally cornered my body just moved on its own and destroyed my mothers furniter without me wanting to do it.
Anyway to sum it up, the death penalty won't change anything. It'll just show how cruel and unusual America can be at times. You want to give prisoners a real punishment? Put them in jail with no privllages except visits and maybe libraries. Don't let them have a gym, internet access, a basket ball court, or anything else. Let them think about what they've done all day and do hard labor like printing plates, digging fields,ect.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I don't care. Prison should be a place NOBODY ever wants to go to.

It's already like that.

Period. Work their asses off with hard labor.

you are only increasing the number of people they will victimize when they get out. I'm not calling you a criminal, but if we make that choice, then we are just as guilty as if we committed the crime ourself.

They'll never want to go.

they don't want to go anyways

And, yes, execute murders and quit spending tax dollars on them. Period.

jag

that means spending more tax dollars on them. it's the opposite of "quit spending tax dollars" It costs a lot more when you sentence somebody to death, and it makes us more like the criminals. If killing people is a horrible crime, than the government sure as hell shouldn't be doing it.

 

[hippy fascist]

I don't care. Prison should be a place NOBODY ever wants to go to. Period. Work their asses off with hard labor. They'll never want to go. And, yes, execute murders and quit spending tax dollars on them. Period. Oh, and prison rape isn't about sex, it's about power (same as regular rape). It's about dominance and exercising control over others. That's why it happens in prison, not because it's sexy fun.

jag