Man of steel 2 possible plot and villians

[Llama_Shepherd]

If anyone could figure out how to write a cartoony character into a living breath one. Nolan is the man.

There are plenty of capable writers. It's just that Dommsday doesn't have any character unlike, the Batman villain he is often associated as an allegory to, Bane.

He has no lines, shows no goals or aims, and no story can come from him, without turning him into a new character.

 

[DChero]

Lex may become the new Harvey Dent...

 

[DChero]

There are plenty of capable writers. It's just that Dommsday doesn't have any character unlike, the Batman villain he is often associated as an allegory to, Bane.

He has no lines, shows no goals or aims, and no story can come from him, without turning him into a new character.

I think that you're assuming that Doomsday would be the only villain. I agree that can't happen, but he's meant to die at the same time as Superman. It's while Superman is "dead" that the real villain of the story rises up, which obviously won't be Doomsday.

 

[BH/HHH]

No. No. And no.
Would love to see superman walks close to lex n scare the **** outta him. Which make lex terribly mad... cause he has never been scared before.

Each to their own I want Green K in the sequel doesn't have to be overused or anything.

And what you described sounds more Batman. Superman doesn't intimidate like Batman and Lex should not be scared of him.

 

[gdw]

I'm wondering about the "genre" of the sequel.
MOS was very much a sci-fi film, and the film makers were rather explicit about their intent to make it so. :snicker:

We saw with the Dark Knight films that Nolan had some distinct different genre influences for each film, given them each a slightly different feel, although still consistent with each other.

Now, I'm not saying they will do this BECAUSE of Nolan's involvement; I imagine Nolan might have even less involvement with the sequel, but I could see them still doing this, especially with the fact that they went so big with MOS. They almost destroyed Earth, seriously, where do they go next?

So, does anyone think they will go with a slightly different genre feel for the sequel, and if so, what?

 

[DChero]

I'm wondering about the "genre" of the sequel.
MOS was very much a sci-fi film, and the film makers were rather explicit about their intent to make it so. :snicker:

We saw with the Dark Knight films that Nolan had some distinct different genre influences for each film, given them each a slightly different feel, although still consistent with each other.

Now, I'm not saying they will do this BECAUSE of Nolan's involvement; I imagine Nolan might have even less involvement with the sequel, but I could see them still doing this, especially with the fact that they went so big with MOS. They almost destroyed Earth, seriously, where do they go next?

So, does anyone think they will go with a slightly different genre feel for the sequel, and if so, what?

I do. I think that Goyer and Snyder will work hard to ingrain Kal into the real world/our world more. That's kind of where MoS progressed. We were thrown into a completely sci-fi prologue, then jumped into our world. I think that MoS 2 will run with that.

 

[writer0327]

Trying to ground the sequel into some sort of reality will be difficult. Generally in the sequel, the stakes are much greater than in the first film. So in the first film, the Earth was nearly terraformed by an alien race, which would have resulted in the death of all mankind. How do you go from that to some story involving Lex Luthor? How is Lex Luthor going to top terraforming the earth?

BB to TDK is a good example of how this was done. TDK had an edge to it as the villain was not only able to attack the hero on a personal level, but the entire city as well, throwing it into a state of chaos to the point that they were willing to turn against each other and on the hero. That is where I think MOS2 will have to go. Luthor must raise the stakes by throwing the world into a state of panic (more aliens coming to get Superman?), and getting the world to turn against Superman, who might be their only true hope.

I think the sequel should be completely character driven with solid action scenes.

 

[DChero]

Trying to ground the sequel into some sort of reality will be difficult. Generally in the sequel, the stakes are much greater than in the first film. So in the first film, the Earth was nearly terraformed by an alien race, which would have resulted in the death of all mankind. How do you go from that to some story involving Lex Luthor? How is Lex Luthor going to top terraforming the earth?

BB to TDK is a good example of how this was done. TDK had an edge to it as the villain was not only able to attack the hero on a personal level, but the entire city as well, throwing it into a state of chaos to the point that they were willing to turn against each other and on the hero. That is where I think MOS2 will have to go. Luthor must raise the stakes by throwing the world into a state of panic (more aliens coming to get Superman?), and getting the world to turn against Superman, who might be their only true hope.

I think the sequel should be completely character driven with solid action scenes.

I don't think that they want to try to outdo MoS, because it could feel like the same movie over again. Zod attacked Kal and his adopted planet. Lex attacks Superman. This way the two aren't competing, they're telling stories of different sides of Kal.

What I meant by grounding it in reality is that it wouldn't have the sci-fi elements of Krypton, Phantom Zone, etc. It would use a more plausible story, outside of the big blue bird.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Each to their own I want Green K in the sequel doesn't have to be overused or anything.

And what you described sounds more Batman. Superman doesn't intimidate like Batman and Lex should not be scared of him.

Superman CAN be intimidating. He SHOULD call out Lex.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Lex as the main villain. Metallo, Bizzaro, or even Parasite as the side villain.

 

[writer0327]

I don't think that they want to try to outdo MoS, because it could feel like the same movie over again. Zod attacked Kal and his adopted planet. Lex attacks Superman. This way the two aren't competing, they're telling stories of different sides of Kal.

What I meant by grounding it in reality is that it wouldn't have the sci-fi elements of Krypton, Phantom Zone, etc. It would use a more plausible story, outside of the big blue bird.

No they really want to outdo the previous movie, every sequel aims to outdo the original. I don't mean outdo it by doing everything the first did, only bigger, but they should be aiming to make a better film than MOS.

In other words, the stakes should be raised. It should feel something huge is on the line. That's why it needs to be a character driven movie and not action driven. You need to keep the sci-fi elements because that's what got you here, and to de-emphasize the sci-fi now would make for a very underwhelming film. Like I said, how can you go to nearly destroying the world to something subdued?

The sci-fi elements belong to Superman, his best stories have yet to be told, and I would go full steam ahead with more of the sci-fi stuff. I'm not sure why people want to shy away from it and go realistic.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I would love for the sequel to be more character driven while embracing a lot more of the Sci-Fi elements. My cousin who isn't a big comic book fan, but a huge Sci-Fi fan loved the film because it reminded her of a pulp Sci-Fi film from the 50s.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I would love for the sequel to be more character driven while embracing a lot more of the Sci-Fi elements. My cousin who isn't a big comic book fan, but a huge Sci-Fi fan loved the film because it reminded her of a pulp Sci-Fi film from the 50s.

The third act seemed an homage to classic sci-fi, yeah.

 

[Eros]

I don't think that they want to try to outdo MoS, because it could feel like the same movie over again. Zod attacked Kal and his adopted planet. Lex attacks Superman. This way the two aren't competing, they're telling stories of different sides of Kal.

What I meant by grounding it in reality is that it wouldn't have the sci-fi elements of Krypton, Phantom Zone, etc. It would use a more plausible story, outside of the big blue bird.

Superman himself is a sci-fi element, the whole character is sci-fi lol. Every possible plot point about him is scifi, his villains are all scifi characters that could never exist in the modern real world. you can't make the sequel about him fighting organized crime, nobody cares about superman foiling mafia plots, they want to see him in more over the top fights and heart wrenching life or death situations.

 

[Eros]

Each to their own I want Green K in the sequel doesn't have to be overused or anything.

And what you described sounds more Batman. Superman doesn't intimidate like Batman and Lex should not be scared of him.

Lex is terrified of superman, one of the reasons he hates him. Superman could crush him like a fly anytime he wanted, superman has everything lex always wanted, only superman didnt have to work for it. Lex not only fear him, He hates that he will never have that kind of power.

 

[Zionite1]

It would be a king-size mistake to reduce the Sci-fi and Spectacle in the sequel.
Fact of the matter is the GA loved the Spectacle and Scifi-its a big-big-PART of the movies appeal and success with the GA.To loose it just to please a few critics who have no bearing on the films succes wld be a huge mistake.

Sure they should go for a more intimate sequel but that doesnt mean lossing specatacle. Strike a balance.

 

[Lily Adler]

Intimacy? Please that isn't 'awesome' enough for Snyder or good enough for Goyer to come up with a new slang term for it.

 

[Zionite1]

Intimacy? Please that isn't 'awesome' enough for Snyder or good enough for Goyer to come up with a new slang term for it.

t:Lol.How about DEEP?Manly sounding word!

 

[sf2]

Lex is terrified of superman, one of the reasons he hates him. Superman could crush him like a fly anytime he wanted, superman has everything lex always wanted, only superman didnt have to work for it. Lex not only fear him, He hates that he will never have that kind of power.

give me five!
superman might be a very good damn looking human being...
but a matter of fact, he is a godlike powerful Alien.
Lex didn't know him, he might not be soft to criminal like any previous incarnation...
a single gaze by superman should scare Lex to no end as his life is like a candle in the wind... a very solid reason for lex to get rid of/ eliminate superman.

 

[deanmachine]

Personally I just don't see room for villains like Metallo or Parasite in this DC Universe. It's like asking for Clayface or Killer Crock to be presented in the TDK trilogy. It doesn't really ground itself into the world Snyder and Goyer created in the first one. Logical main villains include

1) Lex Luthor
2) Doomsday
3) Brainiac
4) Darkseid

Luthor will most likely be accompanied by a physical villain, my pick being Doomsday.

We all want to see Superman being challenged on a different level than brute force BIT come on...it's Superman. It's far too much of a spectacle not to have something like that.

Key Plot Points
1) Anti-alien sentiment globally, and especially Metropolis due to invasion/destruction in MOS
2) Luthor feeds off this social mind-set, fueling it further but also using it as an opportunity to rise to even more power (politically as well)
3) Superman confronting what his father told him would happen, but continues to move forward in his transition to a super hero.
4) Doomsday introduced as security measure created by Luthor/Government via Superman's blood from MOS and/or Zod's body.
5) The death of Superman and his sacrifice for the greater good, destroying Doomsday in the process, bringing a tyrannical and menacing Luthor to light, and then being upheld/revered by public/world

Of course we all know that he wouldn't really be dead, but it opens a plot device in the whole DC Universe to bring in other characters/movies, then moving forward to a JL adaptation where Darkseid is the main villain.

Thoughts??

 

[BH/HHH]

Lex is terrified of superman, one of the reasons he hates him. Superman could crush him like a fly anytime he wanted, superman has everything lex always wanted, only superman didnt have to work for it. Lex not only fear him, He hates that he will never have that kind of power.

See I don't agree with that, even before he has his green K ring he gets in Superman's face. The reason Lex hates Superman is all to do with power. He's not physically scared of Superman, he's afraid of the power he has as like u said he had to work for it and Superman to Lex has it all handed. Its a fear for sure but not one where he pisses his pants at the mere sight of Superman. I think this is very evident in the history of Superman's comics. You don't often see Lex been scared of Superman in a physical sense.

 

[br0adband]

Key Plot Points
1) Anti-alien sentiment globally, and especially Metropolis due to invasion/destruction in MOS
2) Luthor feeds off this social mind-set, fueling it further but also using it as an opportunity to rise to even more power (politically as well)
3) Superman confronting what his father told him would happen, but continues to move forward in his transition to a super hero.
4) Doomsday introduced as security measure created by Luthor/Government via Superman's blood from MOS and/or Zod's body.
5) The death of Superman and his sacrifice for the greater good, destroying Doomsday in the process, bringing a tyrannical and menacing Luthor to light, and then being upheld/revered by public/world

Of course we all know that he wouldn't really be dead, but it opens a plot device in the whole DC Universe to bring in other characters/movies, then moving forward to a JL adaptation where Darkseid is the main villain.

Thoughts??

1) This should definitely be something noted in the next movie, it's just too obvious not to exist now that there's an undeniable "alien presence" on the planet and that several of his own were nearly responsible for the destruction of the world as those people knew it.

2) Agreed, and I've noted that same sentiment in many other postings as well, it's a pretty sure thing.

3) Agreed again, my concern now is how Kal's going to learn anything more about his past if he wants to know it, as well as coping with the fact that the entire body of Kryptonian knowledge was (potentially) lost with the command key... but the scout ship remains.

4) I never particularly read the comics after I grew older so Doomsday came along after those times (late 60s-early 70s) and I have no recollection of ever hearing of the character till several years ago, so I can't say for sure about that aspect. I just did some research into the character and it does seem like something that Lex would most certainly be involved with but... if what I just read is true (that the more modern Doomsday is the result of genetic experimentation by Zod and Faora (got this info from the Superman wiki so forgive me if it's incorrect) then that holds an interesting premise and could be the most likely villain aside from Lex because Zack Snyder himself considers Smallville (the TV show) as canon of sorts for where he and Goyer started from. I read that or heard that stated in an interview just a few days ago and thought it would be neat to see how they extrapolate things into the movies if that's true.

5) The problem with that would be "Ok, now what, since we have more movies to make and we've got the Justice League to bring into the forefront as well?"

But then again you realized that with the last tidbit you said so, it works out I suppose.

 

[DChero]

No they really want to outdo the previous movie, every sequel aims to outdo the original. I don't mean outdo it by doing everything the first did, only bigger, but they should be aiming to make a better film than MOS.

In other words, the stakes should be raised. It should feel something huge is on the line. That's why it needs to be a character driven movie and not action driven. You need to keep the sci-fi elements because that's what got you here, and to de-emphasize the sci-fi now would make for a very underwhelming film. Like I said, how can you go to nearly destroying the world to something subdued?

The sci-fi elements belong to Superman, his best stories have yet to be told, and I would go full steam ahead with more of the sci-fi stuff. I'm not sure why people want to shy away from it and go realistic.

Ok, I think that we were talking about two different things. I agree that they obviously want to make a better movie. The sci-fi elements that I was discussion were centered around alien invasions, space travel, world engines, etc. I'd like to see Superman face a more plausible threat from humans.

Superman himself is a sci-fi element, the whole character is sci-fi lol. Every possible plot point about him is scifi, his villains are all scifi characters that could never exist in the modern real world. you can't make the sequel about him fighting organized crime, nobody cares about superman foiling mafia plots, they want to see him in more over the top fights and heart wrenching life or death situations.

Yep, that's why I was saying plausible - as in a more plausible world than say the Metropolis in the animated series. That was meant to be a futuristic city. I'd like the world to feel closer to ours. Superman is obviously going to be sci-fi because he's an alien with super powers. I'm not suggesting that he take on Batman villains, but there are other types of threats from humanity. STAR Labs was mentioned before. Amanda Waller could be introduced. These provide plots that don't need to be centered around other planets.

 

[gdw]

The REAL motivation/fueling emotion behind Lex's animosity towards Superman is jealousy. "apprehensive or vengeful out of fear of being replaced by someone else.' It can also mean 'watchful,' 'anxiously suspicious,' 'zealous.'"

It angers him that Superman is seen as an ideal above humanity, where as Lex wants the superiority of human achievement, of HIS achievement, to be idolized, not this alien; Not this immigrant.

 

[sf2]

To me, metallo n parasite r like Dr. Oct n green goblin. They gotta reduce superman power to the level of spidey's in order to make a level fighting. The action therefore only can up to spidey level.
I think only the anti destruction fans will like it. U know only a little debris falling... or some cars or buses got damaged.