Man of steel 2 possible plot and villians

[DChero]

The REAL motivation/fueling emotion behind Lex's animosity towards Superman is jealousy. "apprehensive or vengeful out of fear of being replaced by someone else.' It can also mean 'watchful,' 'anxiously suspicious,' 'zealous.'"

It angers him that Superman is seen as an ideal above humanity, where as Lex wants the superiority of human achievement, of HIS achievement, to be idolized, not this alien; Not this immigrant.

I feel like they will need to dig deeper to show why Lex hates Superman on the big screen though. I don't think that just jealousy will cut it. Maybe Superman exposes one of Lex's illegal side projects and ruins his chance at the White House? I don't know...

 

[Zionite1]

I feel like they will need to dig deeper to show why Lex hates Superman on the big screen though. I don't think that just jealousy will cut it. Maybe Superman exposes one of Lex's illegal side projects and ruins his chance at the White House? I don't know...

Lex views Superman as comeption for the thing he wants the most-Godhood.

 

[DChero]

Lex views Superman as comeption for the thing he wants the most is Godhood.

He does in the comics, yes. I can see that being part of the reason in a movie, but I feel like there needs to be a visual breaking point.

 

[Frodo]

For the film , I think it would be that Lex see's himself as humanity's savior against this alien whom he views as a threat. Given the events of MOS , it wouldn't be hard for him to reach that conclusion. As a result, he's willing to take any means to ensure the survival of humanity. He can still have delusions of being god like or as man's goal standard,but I don't think the whole jealousy thing woud work for this version.

Its used in the comics, but has never really been an interesting motivation for Lex for me. Smallville and L&C played it alot better in having a Lex who , if anything, felt that he should have Superman's powers as opposed to just feeling he's taken his spotlight.

 

[Tzigone]

For the film , I think it would be that Lex see's himself as humanity's savior against this alien whom he views as a threat.

I don't like that. I don't want Lex to perceive himself as a hero, as doing what's right. I'd be happy with him perceiving himself as a god, or one who should be a god. But I want him to be evil, not misguidedly thinking he's right, not being "good" but wrong-about-the-threat, not even end-justifies-horrific-means. Evil. As someone else said, to have love only for himself. Probably operating under "might makes right" or "power is for those that can take it" or some such mentality. And I want him to have been that before Superman arrives on the scene so there's no "Well, Lex never would have been that/done that if not for Superman" type of Supes-blaming. No woobie-Lex, please. No "he's misunderstood" or "if only he understood."

 

[Zionite1]

I don't like that. I don't want Lex to perceive himself as a hero, as doing what's right. I'd be happy with him perceiving himself as a god, or one who should be a god. But I want him to be evil, not misguidedly thinking he's right, not being "good" but wrong-about-the-threat, not even end-justifies-horrific-means. Evil. As someone else said, to have love only for himself. Probably operating under "might makes right" or "power is for those that can take it" or some such mentality. And I want him to have been that before Superman arrives on the scene so there's no "Well, Lex never would have been that/done that if not for Superman" type of Supes-blaming. No woobie-Lex, please. No "he's misunderstood" or "if only he understood."

My thoughts exactly.No sympatheic villain stuff-we got that with Zod.Lex should see himself as deserving of godhood and hate Superman existence as it is a very challenge to that dream.

 

[deanmachine]

Bare bones plot outline

Timeliness: 2-3 years have passed since MOS events

1) Anti-alien sentiment growing
2) Lex Luthor rise to power - Rebuilding Metropolis which is thriving
3) Superman dealing with a society/world/ Metropolis that shuns him, facing his fatjer's fears (more flashbacks?)
4) During clean up process the vial of Superman's blood is found
, which is brought to Lexcorp/Luthor. Luthor also exploring Kryptonian technology via reverse engineering (remnants of the World Machine remain Superman stopped.BUT didn't destroy completely)
5) Clark is hardly ever at the Daily Planet, is more out 'in the field'...which also.lends itself to action collages of him being a global savior (ideas: stopping a nuclear missile launched by North Korea, stopping genocide attempt in Africa, etc any other ideas?)
6) Side Villain that Superman has to confront along with Lex. I still think that Lex will be responsible for whatever physical threat is imposed to Superman, but Of say keep it in the realm of Doomsday or Brainiac) that is created through Supermans blood, genetic imprints, Kryptonian technology, etc).
7) The rest of the plot? That could go a million different ways.

 

[Frodo]

I don't like that. I don't want Lex to perceive himself as a hero, as doing what's right. I'd be happy with him perceiving himself as a god, or one who should be a god. But I want him to be evil, not misguidedly thinking he's right, not being "good" but wrong-about-the-threat, not even end-justifies-horrific-means. Evil. As someone else said, to have love only for himself. Probably operating under "might makes right" or "power is for those that can take it" or some such mentality. And I want him to have been that before Superman arrives on the scene so there's no "Well, Lex never would have been that/done that if not for Superman" type of Supes-blaming. No woobie-Lex, please. No "he's misunderstood" or "if only he understood."

I'm not suggesting he should be misunderstood. You can still be evil and have an ends justify the means mentality. We've seen that example with several evil people throughout history. Lex should be evil I agree, but the jealousy angle just doesn't cut it imo.

 

[writer0327]

I'm not suggesting he should be misunderstood. You can still be evil and have an ends justify the means mentality. We've seen that example with several evil people throughout history. Lex should be evil I agree, but the jealousy angle just doesn't cut it imo.

I like Lex Luthor using deceit, like maybe initially he looks to be "pro-Superman", maybe siding with Superman with public statements against the anti-alien sentiment, but is secretly deceiving him for his own purposes. I don't mind the "Earth's savior" bit for Lex either, it actually makes sense as Zod wasn't evil through and through either.

 

[Paradox1]

I think it would be fitting for a character like Superman whos been written as a messiah in the follow up to MOS be crucified figuratively. I'd like to see the world split on the Superman issue and there were actually riots and demonstrations going on. I don't think that is a route I've seen done enough with Superman.

 

[br0adband]

Let's try this:

- Superman fully in his role now, check
- Lex Luthor/LexCorp in play based on easter eggs in MoS, check
- Genetic material from Krypton ("growth Codex" as it's called in the prequel comic, a small portion of the primary Codex that now resides inside Kal's cells) inside the scout ship (which is still most likely intact and functional as seen behind Zod near the end of MoS) with remnants of a functional Genesis Chamber, check
- Potentially able to be put to use with human technology from LexCorp, check
- Doomsday is apparently a genetically engineered creature made from Kryptonian DNA and other forms of life from that now dead planet, check
- Snyder has stated that for him the "Smallville" TV show is "the new canon" in many respects that he and Goyer used to create this new telling of the Superman legend so it's perfectly logical to assume that some aspects of "Smallville" might be used to continue to the storyline in the films, check
- In "Smallville" Doomsday is created by General Zod and Faora using genetic engineering, check
- It's not that far of a stretch to think it's possible for Snyder and Goyer to work out a line where instead of Zod and Faora (who are now dead in one case and in the Phantom Zone in the other, fate unknown) Lex and LexCorp (and maybe someone or some other agency/organization) are capable of doing their own genetic engineering based on Kryptonian tech featured in MoS to some degrees and create Doomsday - remember, Zod's command key is still in the scout ship (assumption here but a logical one overall) which would mean Kal or someone else could take control of the ship, check
- The first reaction people get when thinking Doomsday is "He killed Superman" which doesn't necessarily have to happen in the next movie - it would certainly be another twist to things considering everybody went into MoS thinking Zod's going back to the Phantom Zone and obviously that didn't happen, check
- Superman doesn't have to die at the hands of Doomsday in this particular tale, but it sure as hell would prove to be very useful fodder for the next movie, check
- Superman and Doomsday fight, Superman nearly loses, Superman lays waste to Doomsday (not in Metropolis, hopefully), Superman wins, but before he gets to really deal with the triumph...

We get the introduction at the end of the next movie featuring Brainiac who found Earth by picking up the distress beacon from the scout ship which had been broadcasting the entire time.

Also, potentially cue in Kara as well since she's out there someplace and would be awesome to see an appearance from considering the battle that Brainiac and Kal would end up having. No sense thinking that she's not alive since she crashed the scout ship here on Earth 18,000+ years ago and has been missing ever since - let's not forget she got herself all suped up when she fell under the effects of our younger yellow sun. Who knows, she could have been taking a nap inside Sol this entire time.

 

[BlackFox]

Lex has to be the villain in the next, Doomsday in the third.

 

[br0adband]

Lex has to be the villain in the next, Doomsday in the third.

But wouldn't it make sense to have Lex and LexCorp obviously trying to make use of whatever Kryptonian tech they get their hands on? I'm pretty confident in this tale Kal would do everything he could to remove all of it, every last freakin' scrap of the Black Zero wreckage that didn't get pulled into the Phantom Zone and the scout ship itself (which appears to be pretty intact even after the second crash on the same planet).

The possibilities for the genetic engineering thing are a very heavy theme in MoS, seems logical to a point that it wouldn't just get dismissed outright that fast... would it?

 

[Metropolis_Man]

This isn't really a villain casting idea, just for plot of Jimmy Olsen being introduced. Sorry if it's already been discussed at length. I've seen several mentions of Jonah Hill as Jimmy Olsen, but I'm not particularly a fan of his to be honest so why not try Michael Cera. I guess depending on if you like him or not he could be fantastic as Jimmy Olsen and bring some really good light hearted humor to certain scenes when needed.

 

[BlackFox]

But wouldn't it make sense to have Lex and LexCorp obviously trying to make use of whatever Kryptonian tech they get their hands on? I'm pretty confident in this tale Kal would do everything he could to remove all of it, every last freakin' scrap of the Black Zero wreckage that didn't get pulled into the Phantom Zone and the scout ship itself (which appears to be pretty intact even after the second crash on the same planet).

The possibilities for the genetic engineering thing are a very heavy theme in MoS, seems logical to a point that it wouldn't just get dismissed outright that fast... would it?

True you do make a valid point

 

[JonKent]

I feel like they will need to dig deeper to show why Lex hates Superman on the big screen though. I don't think that just jealousy will cut it. Maybe Superman exposes one of Lex's illegal side projects and ruins his chance at the White House? I don't know...

Plus the fact that Superman is an alien and Lex thinks only humans should save themselves lead by him of course.

 

[JonKent]

True you do make a valid point

And he discovers a beacon that summons Braniac who is in a quest to collect the last Son of Kryptont:

 

[jsi23]

Just some ideas and things I wouldn't mind seeing:


1. Lex Luthor as the main villain (I assume this is a given)

2. Another villain alongside Lex most likely Brainiac, Metallo, or both.

3. Introducing Kryptonite into the film

4. The citizens of Metropolis reaction to Superman (especially after what happened in the first movie)

5. More Daily Planet and Metropolis

6. Growth in Lois and Superman/Clark's relationship

7. This is not necessary but since there is no Superman/Lois/Clark triangle it can be replace by throwing Lex into the mix by trying to woo Lois. It makes the rivalry and hatred that more personal.

 

[JonKent]

My thoughts exactly.No sympatheic villain stuff-we got that with Zod.Lex should see himself as deserving of godhood and hate Superman existence as it is a very challenge to that dream.

Yes he shoud be real bad,bad enough that he would make a deal with the devil named Braniac to have the upper hand against Superman.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Bump

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Things I want from a sequel:

1) Focus on the rebuilding of Metropolis to some extent
2) MCH's Lex Luthor trying to turn the world against Superman
3) Jonathan's fears realized in the public rejecting Supes as an alien and such
4) Some explanation as to how Clark got the job at the Daily Planet
5) An interesting take on the CK disguise -- but nothing too crazy
6) The appearance of one or more DC characters -- maybe WW
7) No change to the costume, but it should appear more vibrant on film
8) Superman using his powers in interesting ways
9) Arctic breath!
10) Adult Lana Lang
11) A well written story on par with TDK (I know I'm asking a lot but so what?)
12) A moving scene where people the world over really embrace Superman to the disgust of Lex Luthor
13) No cast changes -- just about everyone was great
14) More screen time for supporting characters
15) If Antje can be brought back in a way that makes sense, I'm all for it
16) Subtle references to Doomsday -- seeds of things to come
17) This is nitpicky, but maybe a shorter haircut for Supes
18) Although the humor in MOS was fine, the sequel could use a touch more of it. Goyer should get some help in this area.
19) I don't feel like MOS had a definitive theme. Maybe Zimmer can tweak "Flight" a bit and make that the central theme for the film.

-- to be continued

 

[Jaxon]

I don't want them to go too far with humans able to manipulate alien technology, I found that a real weak point of the Avengers, didn't like that they could build a weapon off The Destroyer, it breaks the bounds of realism of what we are able to achieve right now.

Superman does need to be physically challenged though, and hopefully not through Kryptonite, but I'd be OK if Lex is the one that sort of pulls the strings in the background maybe without Superman ever knowing it's him doing it.

And yeah maybe a little more development in Supes powers, the cold breath would be nice, but not that Donner rubbish of a finger ray telekinesis, or astral projection or whatever that crap was in S2.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

And yeah maybe a little more development in Supes powers, the cold breath would be nice, but not that Donner rubbish of a finger ray telekinesis, or astral projection or whatever that crap was in S2.

Yeah, I'm not saying he should have additional powers, aside from maybe arctic breath. One of the things I loved about MOS is that they closely followed the comics in that regard. Having said that, I would like to see Supes use the existing powers he has in new and interesting ways if that makes any sense.

 

[manofsteel4life]

I hope we see Dan Turpin in the sequel, I thought for sure his name would be mentioned during the metropolis invasion

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Yes he shoud be real bad,bad enough that he would make a deal with the devil named Braniac to have the upper hand against Superman.

For World's Finest? That's my dream superhero movie