Marvel and Norton Clashing Over Final Cut of Film?

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  1. Cth Registered

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    http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/ed-norton-and-marvel-in-a-hulk-ing-feud/

    Ed Norton And Marvel In 'Hulk'-ing Feud

    The Incredible Hulk trailer is on its way. It debuts Wednesday night at 9:56 pm on all the MTV channels and Spike TV and VH1. It gets shown Thursday at ShoWest. And it plays this weekend in front of Universal pics in the theaters. (But it's also being teased on YouTube now.) I'm told the pic's producer-screenwriter-star Edward Norton helped get the trailer ready last week and loves it.

    But does he also love the movie? Not yet.

    I'm told that's because Norton and Marvel are clashing over how to cut the pic. Insiders say Norton was "promised tremendous involvement and access" after Marvel invited him into the core team to rewrite Zak Penn's script. Says one insider, "There's a lot of posturing going on between Edward's camp and Marvel over how you edit the final version." Sources also tell me that, starting last night and continuing at least throughout today, the actor will be holed up with Marvel Studios chairman David Maisel, Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige, and director Louis Leterrier to try to "reach an amicable resolution" to this $150+ million film feud.

    Some insiders blame Marvel for not accepting Norton's POV about the movie. "There's a problem. Marvel won't listen to Norton about the cut," one source claims. Some blame Norton, known to be prickly. (Remember his problems with Paramount over The Italian Job and with director Tony Kaye over American History X?) "Never let an actor write a script," one insider commented. "Marvel made a mistake letting the wolf into the hen house."

    But I say that, after Ang Lee's troubled The Hulk left audiences cold, The Incredible Hulk needs Edward Norton's warm support if the pic's gonna have any street cred. Some fear things blowing up to the point where Norton might not publicize the movie. And Marvel is petrified that the new Hulk may be judged "prematurely and unfairly." (Or that bloggers will start claiming the Hulk franchise is cursed.)

    Right now, Marvel is said to be about 4 to 5 weeks away from locking the movie for its June 13th release by Universal whose top execs haven't yet seen it ("though some marketing guys have been working off a rough cut that's in pretty good shape," I'm told). "At this stage you always have discussions about what's in the film and what's not going to be in the film. Everyone's very passionate, and Edward is very opinionated." Said another source, "There is a very healthy exchange of ideas going on. Discussions now are even more heated. But some of Ed's best movies have had this exact dynamic to them. Everyone's in the process of figuring it out and working it out. But I expect it'll all get resolved pretty quickly."

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  2. Cracker Jack Registered

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    Nice find Cth
     
  3. YJ1 Armed and Dangerous

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    So what is director Louis Leterrier's job in all this? Ed Norton is great but he wasn't actor/director on this project. It's time for him to give suggestions but then step back and let Leterrier do his job.

    My suggestion is, when in doubt, leave more scenes in the final cut. You need a crisp pace but how many times have we seen deleted scenes in other films that, if left in would've aided character development and the entire film. Daredevil, both FF films, X3, etc. Don't pull a Fox and sacrifice quality for running time. Word of mouth for Marvel's first set of films are as important as anything. A quality film 20 minutes longer will not earn less. That time frame will not limit showings or screens.

    Don't let Ang Lee's poorly paced mess spook you, Marvel. Find the happy medium.
     
  4. Showtime Your Friend In Time

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    Patients running the asylum.
     
  5. Cth Registered

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    Either way, they can't miss the June date.

    There's too much riding on making the date to not hit it.

    Marvel is against the wall at this point. They need Norton to help promote the film. Sure, they can be paranoid about the film length being unfairly compared to 2003's film. If it's a good film, it won't matter, period.

    Yes, a shorter film does mean more frequent showings, and more potential income, but look at Transformers. 2 and a half hours almost and it came in 2nd this summer numbers wise.

    Relax Marvel.
     
  6. wobbly Occasional Scribbler

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    Hmmn...If this is all true then it sounds like a bit of good old fashioned horse trading going on. Least I hope that's all it is.

    Bottom line, Norton was given no small concession in being allowed to re-write much the script, not many actors will get that kind of deal no matter how highly regarded they may be (especially when they have comparatively little experience in that field) so he shouldn't really push the issue in stepping on the directors toes too. Let Letterrier do his job - assuming it's Letterrier who does have that final cut - If it's some faceless suits cutting it up (like with most Fox efforts) then more power to Norton.
     
  7. Kirmit Big Green Machine.

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    If it's true Norton was promised large involvement in the finished product then I'm with him on this one, I have faith in him, he's a hulk fanboy, he'd know what we'd want.
     
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    This is the baggage that comes when you sign a big time actor and give him 100% control... its a move Marvel probably had to make... but letting Norton write the script himself is going too far... I can't see how this film is getting a sequel since Norton will probably ask for the moon to come back... look for yet another Banner recast or reboot... just bracing for the worst possibility you know...
     
  9. Sarg92 Ouch!

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    I dunno about this one.

    Norton did write the script so surely he would know what needs to be in the final cut and what should not but that would mean kicking Leterrier outta the frame and that is just wrong. He deserves credit.

    I wouldn't mind if Norton and Leterrier both work together on the final cut but Norton shouldn't act as if the entire movie is just his.
     
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    What I'm worried about now is that this will leave such a sour taste in Norton and the Marvel exec's mouths that he won't return for sequels, or simply won't be invited back.
     
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    yes, and we'll have another "restart"
     
  12. FaT_tONle Registered

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    Marvel ****ed up... the last people you mess around with is the actors... you need to keep them happy without letting them run the movie/franchise... you give them all control and then basically the studio becomes a pwn and the actor or lead runs everything... we should have realized this... just goes to show the inexperience of Marvel studios... completely ignorant of the failures this has led to in past movies... get on me for being pessimistic... maybe the two sides mend and all is well... this decision may go down as "doesn't get any dumber than this" in time... I might have to take TIH 2 off the sig...
     
  13. Bubonic Registered

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    I just wonder how much Norton's input went into changing key aspects of the Hulk storyline.
    I skimmed the script and it seems fine, but anytime a director, or someone very involved gets too opinionated and wields too much power you can end up with something that is a mutant of the source material.
    For all we know, it was Norton that insisted that scaly Abom was ridiculous and he needed to be Mr. Hanky on roids.
    He's such a competent actor, but lets hope our Hulk won't suffer too much because of his artistic vision.
     
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    I hope they settle this quickly.
     
  15. Showtime Your Friend In Time

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    This happens more frequently than some of you realize. I wouldn't worry to much about it.
     
  16. Sarg92 Ouch!

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    We'll probably have three cuts on DVD for the movie.

    1. The normal cut shown in the theatres
    2. Louis Leterrier Directors Cut
    3. Edward Norton Actor/Script Writer/Editor/Producer/Second Unit Director... Cut, Phew!
     
  17. Obi-Ron Deal with it

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    An interesting post, thanks for sharing, Cth.

    I wouldn't get too worked up about this. Sounds like typical behind the scenes maneuvering, the last few sentences of the story says as much.

    The writer is just trying to make a name for herself by capitalizing on the trailer hype. I give her as much credit for her "insiders" and "sources" as I would for you guys saying "Some guy told me..."
     
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    I hope this is just the routine decision making that goes on behind the scenes.

    I think if Ed leaves these talks unhappy,he's not coming back for a second film.
     
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    Ouch.

    This movie looks like it is already in a lot of problems.

    Very late marketing, lead actor and the studio fighting.

    I personally feel that since the Mravel has spent money on making this movie, they have full right to do whatever they want to with this movie. Sure Norton wrote the script but he has no business whatsoever to meddle with decisions like running time and editing. I bet he is the cause of this late marketing.

    Also trust me since the marketing has started late and if this movie turns out more than 2 hours long then this has serious chances of flopping. They need to make this around 2 hour and not more than that so that they can get enough show times and screens for this movie.

    You know very well that the movie still has a lot of work left to do when the executives of the studio distributing haven't seen anything.

    The downside to this situation is that if marvel doesn't listen to Edward norton then not only will he refuse in promoting the movie but also reject the idea of coming back for a sequel.

    Lesson to be learnt here is that studios shouldn't allow actors who want be in control of the project.
     
  21. webhead731 I'm a photographer

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    Ugh. They just need to settle this in the best way possible.
    I hope they choose the best ideas and choices. Give us a good film.

    No, a great film.
     
  22. Kirmit Big Green Machine.

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    Unless he was promised this when he signed on for the movie and marvel have changed their minds.
     
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    Maybe Marvel was confident he will do a great job but his product hasn't turned out to be exactly what they were hoping for.

    You see marvel and a lot of people want hulk smash movie and maybe Norton's script doesn't have enough hulk smash moments to remove the stain of the original.

    If that is the case then I can see why marvel is nervous.

    And trust me if this movie does not deliver enough spectacular hulk smash moments and turns out to be long and kinda boring like original then this will bomb hard. If that happens then all the blame will go to Norton.
     
  24. Kirmit Big Green Machine.

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    or it could work vice verse and Norton is the one requesting more hulk smash whereas Marvel don't want it.
     
  25. Advanced Dark Registered

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    Just some loser going around leaking negative info about the film to make a scoop. Give me a break. Every single film have disagreements over the final cut. Probably some 15 year old kid overheard it and thought he was cool to let everyone know. LOL
     

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