Marvel Faces a Mighty Foe: Publishing World Uncertainties

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Interesting read...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/m...ncertainties.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&src=twrhp

With some Marvel books at $3.99... It does add up and has forced most everyone to be far more choosey but I still read a lot of Marvel titles.

I think they need to go back to focusing on their monthly titles and forget about these one-shots and mini-series. Skipping those means nothing and when fans are making their cuts, why pick up a book that if you miss it doesn't effect the character at all??? Fans should fear missing an episode in a chapter because they mean something again.

Plus, creatively and story-line wise, Marvel currently really is at an all-time low. Honestly, I sample or read many titles and have done so for years and I can't remember storylines this bad since the mid 90's bankruptcy days. I feel Spider-Man is floundering but I stopped reading after "One More Day" and haven't picked it up again. I was thinking about it but "Spider-Island" has got to the dumbest concept I've read about since the whole clone stuff. Red Hulk was/is awful. Did they really make a Frankenstein Punisher or was I hallucinating? Daredevil was always a classic read through the Bendis/Brubaker years but fell of the map fast. The FF is far off the rails... now Doom joins the team????? Vampire X-Men??? I've never liked anything Ultimate so can't say what's going on over there. It's not all bad but I'm hoping "Fear Itself" can refocus them because it's becoming tougher and tougher each month to find a book that I look forward to reading.
 
Interesting article.

It is worth nothing that the article states that the threshold of sales for a comic to still see a profit is roughly 20,000 - 30,000 copies, likely depending on the cost of production (i.e. a Paul Tobin comic selling 30k may be fine, but a Brian Bendis/Alex Maleev comic selling there would be a bomb). Marvel typically cancels ongoing titles that fall below 19,000 copies with no end in sight.

It is true that the market is contracting. Marvel likely hopes things will boom again, as 2000-2002 were lean times and then things got better. Of course, in 2000-2002, many comics were priced at $1.99 or $2.50. Now half their line in one way or another is $3.99.

Quite something when the New York Times investigates a story like this, and even quotes Bleeding Cool in addition to Marvel reps.

Apparently, DC faces the same dilemmas as Marvel; even worse as their comics are outsold by Marvel, and they've been under a corporate thumb for a lot longer. Is the sense of desperation as noticeable in their bullpen lately?
 
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Apparently, DC faces the same dilemmas as Marvel; even worse as their comics are outsold by Marvel, and they've been under a corporate thumb for a lot longer. Is the sense of desperation as noticeable in their bullpen lately?

I think that saying that Marvel regularly outsells DC is a misconception. While Marvel leads in unit and dollar share, that usually has to do more with the plain and simple fact that Marvel puts out a lot more product than DC and releases more comics at higher price points than DC.

But if you take a look at the sales charts, DC has been dominating the top 10 recently thanks to Batman, Green Lantern, and the Flash. And books like Superman, Wonder Woman, and Justice League of America would be much higher on the charts if they had better creative teams on them instead of being the mess they are right now.

DC's lower selling books are a lot more healthier than Marvel's lower selling books, a lot of DC's lower selling books are actually quite stable as opposed to Marvel's where they just consistently keep dropping to horrific levels, hence why we see titles such as Young Allies, Spider-Girl, S.W.O.R.D., Vengeance of the Moon Knight, and Doctor Voodoo canceled early while we see Blue Beetle last 36 issues, Manhunter last 38 issues, and R.E.B.E.L.S. last 28 issues before cancellation and seeing Secret Six (above 30 issues), Power Girl (above 20 issues), and Booster Gold (above 40 issues) still alive. And dare I say I have a lot more faith in DC's inevitable Aquaman, Firestorm, Hawkman, and Justice League International books selling healthier than I do in Herc, Journey into Mystery, Hulk, Black Panther: The Man Without Fear, and Ghost Rider. I would have more faith in a new Blue Beetle ongoing selling healthier than those books, and that book has already been cancelled.
 
I've been thinking about it and I think that 2011 is going to see a lot of cancellations from both DC and Marvel simply because the market really can't handle smaller titles anymore. I don't see Titans, Black Panther, Hulk, Journey into Mystery, Gotham City Sirens, Ghost Rider, and a lot of the various Flashpoint and Fear Itself minis not doing all that well.
 
Marvel really really needs to calm down on their output. There's just too much stuff man. Marvel should really just focus on their core titles for a while and every now and then test a mini-series with smaller known characters. But all these many mini-series and one shots are just overkill and no ones buying them apparently. I get that their trying to give people as many choices as possible, and in theory thats not a bad idea, but sometimes less is better i think.
 
I agree. If you thumb through an old issue from the 80's or 90's and see the checklists they would have on the Bulletins page, then compare it to the solicits for any given month now, the latter is about 3 times the size. And that's not including the trades.....
 
Marvel really really needs to calm down on their output. There's just too much stuff man. Marvel should really just focus on their core titles for a while and every now and then test a mini-series with smaller known characters. But all these many mini-series and one shots are just overkill and no ones buying them apparently. I get that their trying to give people as many choices as possible, and in theory thats not a bad idea, but sometimes less is better i think.

I think the biggest problem is not that Marvel is putting out too much stuff, but they're putting out too much stuff that no one cares about or asks for. No one wanted the Astonishing minis. No one wanted the 5 million Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man books that have no bearing on the characters. No one was asking for books based on Doctor Voodoo, Arana, and Young Allies.
 
I think that saying that Marvel regularly outsells DC is a misconception. While Marvel leads in unit and dollar share, that usually has to do more with the plain and simple fact that Marvel puts out a lot more product than DC and releases more comics at higher price points than DC.

But if you take a look at the sales charts, DC has been dominating the top 10 recently thanks to Batman, Green Lantern, and the Flash. And books like Superman, Wonder Woman, and Justice League of America would be much higher on the charts if they had better creative teams on them instead of being the mess they are right now.

DC's lower selling books are a lot more healthier than Marvel's lower selling books, a lot of DC's lower selling books are actually quite stable as opposed to Marvel's where they just consistently keep dropping to horrific levels, hence why we see titles such as Young Allies, Spider-Girl, S.W.O.R.D., Vengeance of the Moon Knight, and Doctor Voodoo canceled early while we see Blue Beetle last 36 issues, Manhunter last 38 issues, and R.E.B.E.L.S. last 28 issues before cancellation and seeing Secret Six (above 30 issues), Power Girl (above 20 issues), and Booster Gold (above 40 issues) still alive. And dare I say I have a lot more faith in DC's inevitable Aquaman, Firestorm, Hawkman, and Justice League International books selling healthier than I do in Herc, Journey into Mystery, Hulk, Black Panther: The Man Without Fear, and Ghost Rider. I would have more faith in a new Blue Beetle ongoing selling healthier than those books, and that book has already been cancelled.

It is true that DC has been dominating the Top 10 list for a few months now; since about the end of 4th quarter 2010 into the first quarter 2011. On the other hand, there were no "big" launches or crossovers during that time, unless you count BRIGHTEST DAY. DC also has some problems with lateness. Months when FLASH, or BATMAN & ROBIN or some other books fail to ship, it shows. It is easy to criticize some of Marvel's moves, but commercially, the "Three" arc on FANTASTIC FOUR is doing well. Reprints of the death issue are selling so well, the REPRINT sells within the Top 80. Every issue in that arc has seen 2-3 reprints. Shops likely will over order it, but in the short term this looks to be a success for the Four. Whether that holds for the relaunch as FF remains to be seen, but sales for #588 were about twice what they were for #586. Besides, we all know they'll return to the old number in time for a 600th issue, so FF only has to tick upwards or hold steady for about a year.

On the flip side of DC's "stability" is they have a SLEW of titles that don't sell very highly. Nearly half their DCU titles sell below 40k copies, and many tread around 35k-25k. While the monthly drops of many DC books are in the "standard attrition" rate of about 1-3%, you still have some books that are still falling over 4-5% in sales from DC, which isn't healthy. Of course, many Marvel titles would likely kill for such small drops. DC has eked out a stronger relationship with trade sales, and via their VERTIGO line. They also likely cut a lot of fat by closing down shop with JINX and WILDSTORM. DC is willing to can a title after a year or so if sales are horrific, although their threshold for doing so is lower than Marvel's. Marvel will can an ongoing title once sales fall below about 18k-19k with no end in sight; DC usually wait until sales fall below 15k. It is worth noting how there has been no real sales boost for DC since their "HOLDING THE LINE AT $2.99" promotion, which is a bit of a shame.

DC may have a more stable audience for a lot of their lower tier titles; the dilemma for them is it is a small audience. On the other hand, without crossover shenanigans, the "midlist" titles have actually been the ones weathering the storm better than, say, Bendis Avengers titles. I will be curious how well FLASHPOINT and FEAR ITSELF do. Part of me feels even matching sales numbers for SIEGE or FINAL CRISIS may be a feat.

Although it must be obvious that DC's plan to have JMS boost WONDER WOMAN and SUPERMAN has been a complete editorial failure. Their insistence on finishing out a run not even JMS sought to is also a bad idea, and feels like when Marvel could have cut bait on the Clone Saga but insisted on dragging it out a year or so for "integrity". It can just seem like trying to dig yourself OUT of a hole. "Dig UP, stupid!" Given that SUPERMAN will have a film sooner than WW, they may want to try to fix it up. Right now he is selling C-List to FLASH. That's like if at Marvel, WOLVERINE was selling less than SPIDER-MAN. Oh, wait, that's now.

I've been thinking about it and I think that 2011 is going to see a lot of cancellations from both DC and Marvel simply because the market really can't handle smaller titles anymore. I don't see Titans, Black Panther, Hulk, Journey into Mystery, Gotham City Sirens, Ghost Rider, and a lot of the various Flashpoint and Fear Itself minis not doing all that well.

Marvel has canceled quite a few titles lately for that reason. SPIDER-GIRL just got the axe now. In the solicits I am seeing a lot fewer random new launches of ongoing titles and more extra issues of regular titles. There still are $3.99 debut issues into 2011, which I feel is very bad and certainly hasn't helped any book that wasn't already going to be big, such as a Bendis or Brubaker Avengers title.

While I will probably enjoy some of the FEAR ITSELF mini's, it may be a bad idea to create new material for a crossover to tie into, versus having it tie into pre-existing titles. I do like that not all those mini's are $3.99 an issue anymore (such as POWER MAN & IRON FIST), but the era when people buy up everything is over.

I also think all the years of crossovers and promotions and "events" have basically done to comics what many accuse the Republicans of doing to the economy - destroying the middle class. In the market Marvel and DC have spent 5 years creating for themselves, they have created a place in which books either sell great or sell poorly, with few hanging onto "average" or "modest hit" territory long. Heck, the fact that AVENGERS ACADEMY, a book starring new characters trained by B and C Listers, has not only lasted beyond a year but is intended to see a 20th issue is a feat unto itself.

Marvel really really needs to calm down on their output. There's just too much stuff man. Marvel should really just focus on their core titles for a while and every now and then test a mini-series with smaller known characters. But all these many mini-series and one shots are just overkill and no ones buying them apparently. I get that their trying to give people as many choices as possible, and in theory thats not a bad idea, but sometimes less is better i think.

I do agree they need to trim their line. On the other hand, if they have low sales expectations for a mini series, it may be seen as harmless.

I agree. If you thumb through an old issue from the 80's or 90's and see the checklists they would have on the Bulletins page, then compare it to the solicits for any given month now, the latter is about 3 times the size. And that's not including the trades.....

Indeed, which is sad since the 90's were the era of excess. SLEEPWALKER lasted two years, for heaven's sakes.

Both Marvel and DC may probably have to consider retrenching their comics, having less spin offs and less "nobody asked for this" stuff. Of course, there is always somebody who asked for it. I imagine someone out there thinks that a series called MYSTERY MEN about heroes of the 1920's and 30's is a brilliant idea.
 
Marvel must expand their publishing output, having more ongoing series and mini-series, including committing to new retail outlets- wal mart, target, kmart, FYE, barnes & noble, grocery stores- publish monthly tabloid-sized collections of relatively recent comics, have them based on a 'family' of titles: Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers, 'Marvel Heroes'. It can cost $5.99.
 
Indeed, which is sad since the 90's were the era of excess. SLEEPWALKER lasted two years, for heaven's sakes.

I still remember reading somewhere where Marvel was promoting "SleepWalker as "Sandman" done RIGHT"....

Bwahahahahaa...

I liked SleepWalker, but don't make such rificulous comparisons... :woot:

:yay:
 
It is true that DC has been dominating the Top 10 list for a few months now; since about the end of 4th quarter 2010 into the first quarter 2011. On the other hand, there were no "big" launches or crossovers during that time, unless you count BRIGHTEST DAY. DC also has some problems with lateness. Months when FLASH, or BATMAN & ROBIN or some other books fail to ship, it shows. It is easy to criticize some of Marvel's moves, but commercially, the "Three" arc on FANTASTIC FOUR is doing well. Reprints of the death issue are selling so well, the REPRINT sells within the Top 80. Every issue in that arc has seen 2-3 reprints. Shops likely will over order it, but in the short term this looks to be a success for the Four. Whether that holds for the relaunch as FF remains to be seen, but sales for #588 were about twice what they were for #586. Besides, we all know they'll return to the old number in time for a 600th issue, so FF only has to tick upwards or hold steady for about a year.
I'm certainly not going to criticize Marvel's successful moves on Fantastic Four. And I'm hoping it stays successful because I'm really loving Hickman's run on the team.

And you're certainly right that lateness is plaguing DC now. But that doesn't change the fact that Batman, Green Lantern, and the Flash are now dominating the Top 10.

On the flip side of DC's "stability" is they have a SLEW of titles that don't sell very highly. Nearly half their DCU titles sell below 40k copies, and many tread around 35k-25k.
The same can be said for Marvel as well though.

While the monthly drops of many DC books are in the "standard attrition" rate of about 1-3%, you still have some books that are still falling over 4-5% in sales from DC, which isn't healthy. Of course, many Marvel titles would likely kill for such small drops. DC has eked out a stronger relationship with trade sales, and via their VERTIGO line. They also likely cut a lot of fat by closing down shop with JINX and WILDSTORM. DC is willing to can a title after a year or so if sales are horrific, although their threshold for doing so is lower than Marvel's. Marvel will can an ongoing title once sales fall below about 18k-19k with no end in sight; DC usually wait until sales fall below 15k.
DC titles that do have drops of 4-5% get canceled. It's why Azrael was canceled. It's why Gotham City Sirens and Titans will get canceled. But the reason why DC has a lower threshold for cancellation is because books like R.E.B.E.L.S., Booster Gold, and Power Girl have standard attrition drops as opposed to almost every time Marvel cancels a book it's because it reaches to 18k while still having massive drops.

It is worth noting how there has been no real sales boost for DC since their "HOLDING THE LINE AT $2.99" promotion, which is a bit of a shame.
The point of Holding the Line at $2.99 really wasn't so that people would try new titles, the point is to keep those smaller titles alive because with all these $3.99 books coming out the first titles that people tend to cut are the smaller ones. DC doesn't want people cutting their titles because they will make more money by having people keeping their smaller titles and unlike Marvel, I think that they got the hint that so far, new readers aren't coming.

In this case, Holding the Line at $2.99 has been a success because the drops in DC's books from January to February were very, very, very small. Or in the cases of books like Booster Gold and Power Girl we saw very, very, very small increases.

DC may have a more stable audience for a lot of their lower tier titles; the dilemma for them is it is a small audience. On the other hand, without crossover shenanigans, the "midlist" titles have actually been the ones weathering the storm better than, say, Bendis Avengers titles. I will be curious how well FLASHPOINT and FEAR ITSELF do. Part of me feels even matching sales numbers for SIEGE or FINAL CRISIS may be a feat.
It's not a dilemma if it's stable. There is nothing wrong with consistent profits as opposed to falling profits.

Also, I bet that Flashpoint will do better than Fear Itself. Though while I expect success for certain Flashpoint and Fear Itself minis, I think a lot of them are going to bomb.

Although it must be obvious that DC's plan to have JMS boost WONDER WOMAN and SUPERMAN has been a complete editorial failure. Their insistence on finishing out a run not even JMS sought to is also a bad idea, and feels like when Marvel could have cut bait on the Clone Saga but insisted on dragging it out a year or so for "integrity". It can just seem like trying to dig yourself OUT of a hole. "Dig UP, stupid!" Given that SUPERMAN will have a film sooner than WW, they may want to try to fix it up. Right now he is selling C-List to FLASH. That's like if at Marvel, WOLVERINE was selling less than SPIDER-MAN. Oh, wait, that's now.
I think that if Superman and Wonder Woman weren't in such editorial messes right now, they would be selling much, much higher. It's why I think that we're going to see Grant Morrison take over one of those titles in the near future. The problems with DC's midlist titles like Superman and Wonder Woman lie with editorial instead of problems with those particular characters. If fixed, I think that we can see them on par with Batman, Green Lantern, and the Flash.

Marvel has canceled quite a few titles lately for that reason. SPIDER-GIRL just got the axe now. In the solicits I am seeing a lot fewer random new launches of ongoing titles and more extra issues of regular titles. There still are $3.99 debut issues into 2011, which I feel is very bad and certainly hasn't helped any book that wasn't already going to be big, such as a Bendis or Brubaker Avengers title.

While I will probably enjoy some of the FEAR ITSELF mini's, it may be a bad idea to create new material for a crossover to tie into, versus having it tie into pre-existing titles. I do like that not all those mini's are $3.99 an issue anymore (such as POWER MAN & IRON FIST), but the era when people buy up everything is over.

I also think all the years of crossovers and promotions and "events" have basically done to comics what many accuse the Republicans of doing to the economy - destroying the middle class.
Agreed.

In the market Marvel and DC have spent 5 years creating for themselves, they have created a place in which books either sell great or sell poorly, with few hanging onto "average" or "modest hit" territory long. Heck, the fact that AVENGERS ACADEMY, a book starring new characters trained by B and C Listers, has not only lasted beyond a year but is intended to see a 20th issue is a feat unto itself.
I agree that Avengers Academy is a miracle, especially since Marvel's lower tier titles tend to have horrific drops even if they are good.
 
I think that if Superman and Wonder Woman weren't in such editorial messes right now, they would be selling much, much higher. It's why I think that we're going to see Grant Morrison take over one of those titles in the near future. The problems with DC's midlist titles like Superman and Wonder Woman lie with editorial instead of problems with those particular characters. If fixed, I think that we can see them on par with Batman, Green Lantern, and the Flash.

Well, just to chime in here, I don't see any real reason to believe this. JMS' intial beginnings had a little bump for each title, but both instantly started falling back to where they had after the anniversary. Despite what you think of JMS' runs on either of these titles, they simply didn't have the effect on sales that was hoped, which (in my thoughts) is probably why he decided to abandon the titles so quickly after EO did well.

And it's doubtful we'll see Grant Morrison take over either of the monthly titles. He said he's on a type of 'exit plan' from the mainstream superhero comics with a Wonder Woman and Flash series, though both were described 'ala All Star', so most likely they'll be minis or maxis that are out of regular canon, or just not specifically tied to anything. He did recently say he'd like to revisit some of his All Star ideas that never developed, but again, I don't see him really taking over the monthly Superman title. He seems to want to move on to other things for awhile, from what I can gather.
 
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I consider JMS to be a part of the editorial mess surrounding those books.
 
I understand. I'm just saying, I don't really think it being more organized would make a difference in the sells. There for the first 2 or 3 months it was fine, but there was no huge boost for either title (maybe WW, but only because the title was in the gutters during Simone's run; the Odyssey storyline basically started falling to where WW averaged in the last few years almost immediately). I don't think the new audience they wanted to attract connected to either story idea.
 
You better :argh:

Just because I liked JMS' run doesn't mean that I'm going to speak for everyone and say that people liked it or assume that people just didn't have the stomach to handle what he was doing. Most people just didn't get into it. They didn't want Grounded or Odyssey.

I think that if JMS actually worked on the books the way he did with Thor, Amazing Spider-Man, and Fantastic Four, he would have been more successful. But instead he chose routes that most people had no desire to see. JMS just flat out leaving those books without finishing the stories made things worse as well. His choice of direction and leaving the books are why I consider him to be part of the editorial problem.
 
I still remember reading somewhere where Marvel was promoting "SleepWalker as "Sandman" done RIGHT"....

Bwahahahahaa...

I liked SleepWalker, but don't make such rificulous comparisons... :woot:

:yay:

I also remember when Marvel made a big deal about what was to be some epic new project...and it turned out to be SLAPSTICK, a third rate clone of THE MASK at the time.

I'm certainly not going to criticize Marvel's successful moves on Fantastic Four. And I'm hoping it stays successful because I'm really loving Hickman's run on the team.

And you're certainly right that lateness is plaguing DC now. But that doesn't change the fact that Batman, Green Lantern, and the Flash are now dominating the Top 10.

True. But the lateness does effect sales when they don't ship and thus can't make the Top 10. That said, I suppose a lesson is that years of investment in certain franchises can pay off, as they have for Green Lantern and Flash. Marvel invested in the Avengers in 2004, but aside for those Bendis books, the effect that has had on, say, THOR and CAPTAIN AMERICA is waring off.

DC titles that do have drops of 4-5% get canceled. It's why Azrael was canceled. It's why Gotham City Sirens and Titans will get canceled. But the reason why DC has a lower threshold for cancellation is because books like R.E.B.E.L.S., Booster Gold, and Power Girl have standard attrition drops as opposed to almost every time Marvel cancels a book it's because it reaches to 18k while still having massive drops.

Fair enough. Many of Marvel's quickly canned titles have DEBUTS of under 25k and then are basically D.O.A. Books rarely turn around from such debuts.

The point of Holding the Line at $2.99 really wasn't so that people would try new titles, the point is to keep those smaller titles alive because with all these $3.99 books coming out the first titles that people tend to cut are the smaller ones. DC doesn't want people cutting their titles because they will make more money by having people keeping their smaller titles and unlike Marvel, I think that they got the hint that so far, new readers aren't coming.

In this case, Holding the Line at $2.99 has been a success because the drops in DC's books from January to February were very, very, very small. Or in the cases of books like Booster Gold and Power Girl we saw very, very, very small increases.

I hadn't thought about it that way before. That actually does make a degree of sense. Most of Marvel's Top 25-35 sellers are priced at $3.99 and that does cause many fans to dump the smaller books that are "less important".

That said, sales on BOOSTER GOLD are very small. I will be stunned if it lasts past issue 50. Still, even a 50th issue these days for a volume run is impressive. And I say that as someone who has read BOOSTER GOLD since issue one. It and BATMAN BEYOND are the only DC books I read right now.

It's not a dilemma if it's stable. There is nothing wrong with consistent profits as opposed to falling profits.

Also, I bet that Flashpoint will do better than Fear Itself. Though while I expect success for certain Flashpoint and Fear Itself minis, I think a lot of them are going to bomb.

While all the details about the stories for both events seem to be under wraps, I think FEAR ITSELF is a little more vague than FLASHPOINT. FLASHPOINT, in so many words, is a story about Professor Zoom messing with the time line again, only on a grander scale. FEAR ITSELF, however, is still more vague. It's about some Norse Serpent thingie that Sin summons that throws evil hammers on the ground. And Odin will fight Thor, for some reason.

The dynamic I see is that FLASHPOINT is at the very least different from BLACKEST NIGHT; sure, there is WAR OF THE GREEN LANTERNS, but that's more of a B-event in comparison to FLASHPOINT. Meanwhile, Marvel just had SIEGE last year, which was focused around Thor and Asgard, and now we will have FEAR ITSELF, which is still heavily focused on Thor and Asgard. Sure, Capt. America is involved for good measure, but...he was also involved in SIEGE. Rogers made sure to don his Capt. America costume again specifically because he wanted to back up Thor, and reunite the Avenges big three. It may have been a good idea to have not have SIEGE so focused on that if in 2011 they were just going to mine the Norse card again, but that would have required Marvel actually knowing what they are doing a year or two in advance. Between that and all the spare Thor and Cap material out there, they risk a burnout on that material for FEAR ITSELF. Meanwhile, sure, DC is still spamming GL and Batman, but they've shifted focus on Flash now.

I think that if Superman and Wonder Woman weren't in such editorial messes right now, they would be selling much, much higher. It's why I think that we're going to see Grant Morrison take over one of those titles in the near future. The problems with DC's midlist titles like Superman and Wonder Woman lie with editorial instead of problems with those particular characters. If fixed, I think that we can see them on par with Batman, Green Lantern, and the Flash.

The problem is that Morrison can't be a cure all for everything. Eventually he will call it a day on superhero comics. Then what? What writer does DC have besides Johns who can replace him in buzz power? JMS sure ain't it.

It is worth nothing that Marvel once had Morrison, and he jazzed up sales on X-MEN for a number of years, but they lost him when they basically tore apart his ideas root and stem, aside for Cat-Beast and who Cyclops was porking.

I agree that Avengers Academy is a miracle, especially since Marvel's lower tier titles tend to have horrific drops even if they are good.

AVENGERS ACADEMY had a decent debut, I think around 45k-50k when it launched. That certainly helped. The last new launch that debuted that well in recent memory was CAPTAIN BRITAIN AND MI-13, which lasted 15 issues and an annual. Such a run would soon become legendary for new launches at Marvel. Paul Cornell has since fled to DC, where he's on a higher profile book, ACTION COMICS. On the other hand, Mark Bagley couldn't wait to return to Marvel after his DC exclusive contract expired.

There is still a risk that AVENGERS ACADEMY could tank and force Marvel to sell their FEAR ITSELF tie-in as a mini instead of a main title crossover. But it is hanging in there so far, which is good. It deserves a lot better, honestly.
 
Most comic book companies make more money adapting their characters into other media or merchandising. The characters are profitable then the format. I heard only 40% of Marvel's profits come from comics nowadays, the other media and merchandise is real money is made. The format may die, but the characters will live on.
 
Most comic book companies make more money adapting their characters into other media or merchandising. The characters are profitable then the format. I heard only 40% of Marvel's profits come from comics nowadays, the other media and merchandise is real money is made. The format may die, but the characters will live on.

That is very true. And to be honest, has been true for a while. Believe it or not, in the 90's, over 50% of Marvel's income was from trading cards, not comics.

The dilemma is that while comic books may seem like intelligence factories, or research & development labs for new concepts and characters to Warner Brothers and Disney, those corporate giants are only willing to absorb any sales losses up to a point. I have certainly noticed Marvel being more eager to run franchises into the ground since their deal with Disney became officially inked last year - that may be because Disney in no uncertain terms may have said something to the effect of, "print medium is a luxury item these days, don't screw up because we only really need you for alternate media." I mean, when was the last time Disney made a Mickey Mouse cartoon? About 45-50 years ago? Yet the Mouse still earns millions a year in merchandise sales, and even just had a Wii game come out recently. Warner Brothers and Disney really only care about movie/TV/video game/merchandise licenses and you don't actually need new comics to do that. Marvel and DC could literally stop publishing new comics now, spend decades selling reprints with a small staff and likely do okay. Of course, neither company wants to do that, and the potential to create a new franchise (even though, honestly, no new Marvel or DC character has really taken off since, at best, the Carter administration) is still there.

Thus, Marvel is eagerly spamming Spider-Man/Wolverine/Movie characters more than before the Disney deal, which is amazing unto itself. DC amping Green Lantern in time for a film is also synergy. Comics are still a profitable business; the problem is those profits have been shrinking lately, and the future is hazy.
 

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