Born Again Marvel Studios’ Daredevil: Born Again General Discussion Thread

[DyeLorean]

I'm gonna keep my expectations in check because I simply don't see a big team-up being on this show. It will most likely be a couple of them, in one... maybe two episodes.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Season 2 will focus again on DD vs FISK vs DEX vs MUSE??

DD will have to team up with Castle and others allies to fight Fisk and his task force
Dex.Bullseye will be a subplot
Return of Muse will be a subplot too, maybe he will be back with some powers

Finally the fanatics Punisher evil gang responsible of Ayala 's death, are exactly the task force members chosen by Fisk

 

[Gu3ree]

The more I keep hearing about what DDBA was originally supposed to be like, I can't help but weigh in terror. Ignoring the original Netflix series was the worst thing they ever could have done. Even if it was fairly good, people still would have been giving this new series a bunch of $#&%. I'm more curious about what else it would have been like too. Less gory and violent?

Does anyone think they'll actually bring Foggy back next season, but actually be alive, saying he was in witness protection, and managed to get his heart beating again after CPR?

Well this was a damn good season, even though I'll admit, it was a slow start and build-up, but it had juice. So excited for next season. I look forward to potentially seeing--I wonder how many episodes it will be--I feel like it could be several consecutive episodes with a full arc showing Daredevil's army hiding out but also fighting Kingpin's army. Vigilantes will be wanted. Clearly they're not going to show Spider-Man next season who would be considered a vigilante and that's a problem. They have to incorporate the movie MCU characters in DDBA somehow. I want them to show at least a minority of some of the MCU characters that appeared in the MCU films. Not just the ones we've seen on the streaming shows.

If they disregard any of the events that happened in Spider-Man: Brand New Day, that would be disappointing. Not explaining what happened.

Obviously we don't know what happened to any of these characters during the Thanos snap.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The more I keep hearing about what DDBA was originally supposed to be like, I can't help but weigh in terror. Ignoring the original Netflix series was the worst thing they ever could have done. Even if it was fairly good, people still would have been giving this new series a bunch of $#&%. I'm more curious about what else it would have been like too. Less gory and violent?

Does anyone think they'll actually bring Foggy back next season, but actually be alive, saying he was in witness protection, and managed to get his heart beating again after CPR?

Well this was a damn good season, even though I'll admit, it was a slow start and build-up, but it had juice. So excited for next season. I look forward to potentially seeing--I wonder how many episodes it will be--I feel like it could be several consecutive episodes with a full arc showing Daredevil's army hiding out but also fighting Kingpin's army. Vigilantes will be wanted. Clearly they're not going to show Spider-Man next season who would be considered a vigilante and that's a problem. They have to incorporate the movie MCU characters in DDBA somehow. I want them to show at least a minority of some of the MCU characters that appeared in the MCU films. Not just the ones we've seen on the streaming shows.

If they disregard any of the events that happened in Spider-Man: Brand New Day, that would be disappointing. Not explaining what happened.

Obviously we don't know what happened to any of these characters during the Thanos snap.

Those characters would be the ones that can easily fit into the Defenders part of the MCU, so if we're going with any characters from the movies, the ones can easily fit include Sam Wilson, all of the Thunderbolts except Sentry and Clint Barton. The rest of them are too powerful for the Task Force to give them a fight. Wilson, The Thunderbolts and Barton could all give some hand-to-hand battles with the Task Force.

 

[BlackFox]

Now I have let the finale settle in and the dust settle I thought I would get my overall verdict on the Born Again season down.

The comparisons with the Netflix series are obvious was always going to be a thing coming from such a beloved series that was cut down in its prime but just to get this again was amazing with the same cast as well. I can understand why some might still prefer the Netflix series as the obvious frankensteining of this season is apparent at times, certainly in terms of pacing and tone at times (the bank episode sticks out like a sore thumb), the Netflix show didnt have that issue to contend with.

BUT there was a lot of things I liked in this version over the Netflix show and we are only really at the half way point as this season is clearly meant to be considered as one whole once we get part 2 as the story is a straight continuation.

Firstly the action was in some ways better than the Netflix show, yes, they have their famous hallway fights which are a hallmark of the series but a lot of the other times the Netflix show was a bit on the dark side to be able to see the action fully. Here we get more clear shots and even DD in the daylight and the fights with Muse, the first in particular, were really well shot and directed with some insane camera work at times, also the brutality issue was a non-issue, case closed on that, there was no watering down of DD, Punisher or even Fisk in the end, ye-gads on the last. I cant wait to binge this series again for those parts alone. The suit was never looked better, the lighting and texturing done to the outfit was just perfect at times.

The story was also had a lot of neat ideas even if some parts felt a little rushed in parts, certainly around Muse but that was because I just wanted more of a clearly good thing and felt like there was a lot more that could have been explored there but what we did get was great and truelly unnerving at time, starting with a shock to start the series but that set Matt and Fisk on the same roads trying to both be something they are not and they both struggled to come to terms with the past and not wanting to return to what their true nature was/is. There was a lot of clever writing and camera work in portraying this, I was hooked most episodes and could not wait for the next one when one finished which is always a good sign for a show.

The writing and acting was also on par with the Netflix show at least for the most part, the main characters now their roles so well now but when Bernthals Punisher, Bethels Bullseye and DAW's Karen are around the support goes up a level which the newer characters couldnt quite achieve, although I liked aspect of where the Heather character and Daniel Blake might go in the second half of this, they improved as things went along for sure.

So yes overall I have a lot more thoughts on this series but I am still amazed I enjoyed it as much as I did given its history, production and what it had to live up to. Hopefully the second half will be more consistent in terms of overall pace and tone but I have enjoyed the heck out of the first half, warts and all. Its just so good this season has been Born Again...

 

[Dr. Evil]

One of the positives about the season is the pre-existing relationships that were established between the characters in the Netflix series continued here. In the season finale, we saw the continuation of the relationship between Frank and Karen from the Netflix show. There are questions for season two from the original Netflix show and the whole Defenders arc that need to be addressed. If Luke, Danny and Jessica come back for season two, their whereabouts in season one will need to be addressed. Knowing how things are from season one, if these three as well as Colleen and Misty all return for season two, their previous relationships will be addressed.

Matt's resistance will for sure be at least Luke, Danny and Jessica, possibly Colleen (as Jessica Henwick wants to play her again) but also Kate Bishop (as a representative to the greater MCU since it's most likely that she'll be appearing in one of the next two Avengers movies, maybe both) and Maya Lopez. Maybe Misty Knight. Elektra is a complete wildcard, but so is Frank Castle. Castle has not confronted any of the other street level heroes, so its unknown how he feels about them or how the feel about him. I would still like to think that if Castle ever confronted Misty Knight, he would treat her the same way he treated Brett Mahoney in Season Two of his series.

 

[BlackFox]

I can see the female White Tiger being a thing as well now, after Hector's fate and that ending showing all the characters there was a vivid one of Angela and they have the perfect opportunity to show more of what that character is all about and can do now. Would make a lot of sense for her to join the team.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I can see the female White Tiger being a thing as well now, after Hector's fate and that ending showing all the characters there was a vivid one of Angela and they have the perfect opportunity to show more of what that character is all about and can do now. Would make a lot of sense for her to join the team.

If Kate Bishop joins the team as an ally, I can see Kate trying to get her on the Champions (that is what the team is likely to be called, because Kate will be like in her late 20's).

 

[BlackFox]

If Kate Bishop joins the team as an ally, I can see Kate trying to get her on the Champions (that is what the team is likely to be called, because Kate will be like in her late 20's).

Kate turning up in this as well would be a great addition. Steinfeld is always great in whatever she does so to add her in the mix would be great fun.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Kate turning up in this as well would be a great addition. Steinfeld is always great in whatever she does so to add her in the mix would be great fun.

Plus it connects Luke, Danny, Jessica, Colleen and Misty (if any of them return) as well as Angela to the greater MCU as it's very likely that Kate is going to be in one of the next two Avengers movies (maybe even both) and she already has ties to the OG Avenger Clint Barton and she was recruited by Ms. Marvel the last time we saw her. Kate is one of several characters from the Greater MCU that can fit easily into the Defenders portion of the MCU. She also already has issues with Fisk too.

 

[blueharvest]

'Daredevil: Born Again' boss on season 2, Defenders, Punisher post-credits scene, more

'Daredevil: Born Again' showrunner Dario Scardapane answers EW's burning questions about season 2, a possible Defenders reunion, and that post-credits scene.

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[kguillou]

They're getting the band back together for sure but with new additions. White Tiger will be apart of the "Army" for sure.

 

[BlackFox]

I could do without Iron Fist or a re-cast at least but I guess if it means we get Colleen Wing back thats something. Colleen Wing as Iron Fist is the dream.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If Angela Del Toro and Kate Bishop are with this team, Angela could impress Kate enough to where Kate asks her to be on her team, putting Angela in the greater MCU. Angela will most likely receive extensive martial arts training before then though.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

If Angela Del Toro and Kate Bishop are with this team, Angela could impress Kate enough to where Kate asks her to be on her team, putting Angela in the greater MCU. Angela will most likely receive extensive martial arts training before then though.

While Kate Bishop is the elder, out of their previous scenes it seems like it is Kamala Khan who is the one going out to put a team together.

 

[Dr. Evil]

While Kate Bishop is the elder, out of their previous scenes it seems like it is Kamala Khan who is the one going out to put a team together.

Kate could recommend Angela to Kamala.

 

[Still Wynning]

Reading all of these posts makes me realize and points out just how crucial and key a character Kate Bishop will be going forward post-Secret Wars. I could even see her becoming part of whatever future Avengers team is formed, maybe even perform double duty while also being on the Champions.

Also, she’s totally going to use her family‘s wealth and security company to help with all of the team’s funds, resources and ventures. Throw in her personality and she, along with Riri, could basically fill the Tony Stark sort of role, minus the narcissism and self-destructiveness. Okay, maybe a little self-destructiveness.

Also, if Disney wasn’t an issue, and if there were any justice in the world, we’d have that Kate and Yelena action romcom thriller we all deserve.

So much potential for her character. I can’t wait to see what they have planned for her!

 

[Dr. Evil]

Reading all of these posts makes me realize and points out just how crucial and key a character Kate Bishop will be going forward post-Secret Wars. I could even see her becoming part of whatever future Avengers team is formed, maybe even perform double duty while also being on the Champions.

Also, she’s totally going to use her family‘s wealth and security company to help with all of the team’s funds, resources and ventures. Throw in her personality and she, along with Riri, could basically fill the Tony Stark sort of role, minus the narcissism and self-destructiveness. Okay, maybe a little self-destructiveness.

Riri is in Chicago the next time we see her, so I don't know how she gets to New York.

Rhodey needs a redemption story after the awful Secret Invasion.

 

[Still Wynning]

Riri is in Chicago the next time we see her, so I don't know how she gets to New York.

Rhodey needs a redemption story after the awful Secret Invasion.

Well, we don’t know where she’s going to be at the end of her series, so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

Also, by Tony Stark role, I meant the tech and money side of things. Though, Rhodey still could sort of serve as a bit of a mentor to Riri.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Unless things escalate where Fisk has no choice but to have powered individuals on his side and it's just the Task Force, I don't think Matt team needs an Iron Man or a Hulk yet.

It could also create an interesting dynamic between Fisk and the Task Force. Would their loyalty to Fisk become less if he brings in powered individuals to help him take down vigilantes?

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I could do without Iron Fist or a re-cast at least but I guess if it means we get Colleen Wing back thats something. Colleen Wing as Iron Fist is the dream.

With Netflix Defenders now canon it is more than a dream. Coleen Wing ended the series as the Immortal Iron Fist while Danny had regained his powers in tandem, with her being a Chinatown based vigilante. It would be like Wong is the Sorcerer Supreme even though Dr. Strange has returned from being blipped.

Beyond the Kingpin, Daredevil and Echo not being blipped I don't think we know the status of the other characters.

 

[Kev4000]

Pls expect not another Avengers: Endgame level of cross over here.. I exactly remember those talks with Secret Invasion. A lot of people here guessed even some A-listers will show up and look how this ended.

They dont have the budget to pay a lot of actors with no function for story beside "Team event gimmic" and a screentime for maybe 3 min each. Give me 3 heroes involved instead of 10, but with a decent screen time and an maybe an actual arc.

Furthermore, the heroes involved need something to do. And I cant see keeping all characters busy enough in the fight unless they face random-evil-police-guy #101-200.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Pls expect not another Avengers: Endgame level of cross over here.. I exactly remember those talks with Secret Invasion. A lot of people here guessed even some A-listers will show up and look how this ended.

They dont have the budget to pay a lot of actors with no function for story beside "Team event gimmic" and a screentime for maybe 3 min each. Give me 3 heroes involved instead of 10, but with a decent screen time and an maybe an actual arc.

Furthermore, the heroes involved need something to do. And I cant see keeping all characters busy enough in the fight unless they face random-evil-police-guy #101-200.

It's not about having like 5 or 6 Avengers popping up, it's more characters with close ties to Matt and to Fisk. Luke Cage, Danny Rand, Jessica Jones all have ties to Matt and a lot of us want Brett Mahoney back as well as Marci and Sister Maggie. Maybe Turk too. I am not expecting Misty or Colleen to show up but I wouldn't mind it if they did. The reason we mention Kate Bishop is because of her ties to Fisk and she connects to the greater MCU.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm gonna keep my expectations in check because I simply don't see a big team-up being on this show. It will most likely be a couple of them, in one... maybe two episodes.

I think Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist are a lock for the 2nd season. I know a lot of people have criticized Iron Fist's Netflix era, but I don't see them leaving him out.

Frank Castle is possible, but he's getting his own special presentation. I could see his special reintroducing Moon Knight.

Ms. Marvel is probably being saved for a Young Avengers/Champions TV show.

Now here's an interesting theory and I know a lot of people won't like it. What if this is where they re-introduce the Agents Of Shield? Clark Gregg posted on his Instagram about a month ago a picture of Phil Coulson with the caption "Let's Go". There's only two things filming at the moment I believe for the MCU. Daredevil and Doomsday. Doomsday is possible, but it would seem pretty crazy to bring back Phil Coulson and the rest of the AOS in a already packed movie unless it's cameos. Brad Winderbaum said awhile ago that he's trying to find a way to bring them back into the fold.

 

[Herolee10]

Reading all of these posts makes me realize and points out just how crucial and key a character Kate Bishop will be going forward post-Secret Wars. I could even see her becoming part of whatever future Avengers team is formed, maybe even perform double duty while also being on the Champions.

Also, she’s totally going to use her family‘s wealth and security company to help with all of the team’s funds, resources and ventures. Throw in her personality and she, along with Riri, could basically fill the Tony Stark sort of role, minus the narcissism and self-destructiveness. Okay, maybe a little self-destructiveness.

Also, if Disney wasn’t an issue, and if there were any justice in the world, we’d have that Kate and Yelena action romcom thriller we all deserve.

So much potential for her character. I can’t wait to see what they have planned for her!

In the grand scheme of things, I do find it weird that Kingpin wouldn't go after Kate given their last encounter in "Hawkeye".