Sequels Marvel Studios' X-Men?

[marvelrobbins]

Why can't they watch the animated 90's show and follow that movie wise. One of the best animated series of my childhood

Because some have nostalgia glasses.Comics are better source.

Unpopular to say it here but wolverine and the X-Men is better adaptian of the comics.

The fact X-Men team never changes and fact Kitty prde is left out entriely in favor of kitty wannabee Jubilee and fact Nightcrawler and Colossus barely appear all influence my oporion.

 

[Jordacar]

Why can't they watch the animated 90's show and follow that movie wise. One of the best animated series of my childhood

Because the blockbuster movie structure is an ill fit for the huge cast of characters, dozens of subplots, and completely off-the-wall powers and adventures that the X-Men get into pretty much all the time.

 

[GuestStar2004]

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[Stan Lee]

Thanks.it proves the point quite well some are just go crazing.

it proves DOFP is xavier's film with him getting more screentime than
Wolverine.

It's called "selective perception". People sometimes tend to perceive things according to their beliefs more than as they really are.

 

[psylockolussus]

I did answer your question.

So are you saying Sunspot had more impact in dfofp than Jean Grey because Sunspot were in the movie longer than 2 minutes?

Again ,it doesn't matter if someone in the screen for two hours if that character was treated as a prop. Mystique was utilized more in 6 movies that she appeared in than Beast in 4 movies. Who encouraged Magneto to switch sides at the climax, who was barking orders at the X-Men when they were in Danger Room, who gave the pep talk to Jean and company when they were in the blackbird, who tried to stab Apocalypse in the neck, who brought Kurt in the mansion? Beast was there in Apocalypse to fill in for the action scenes and gave Cyke his glasses. Mystique had a more substantial role.

 

[psylockolussus]

It was ensemble piece.there is valid critism in mystique's role but to say the film is just about those 2 isn't accurate.

And which genius said that Apocalypse was just about Magneto and Mystique? Read my post again. Your selective perception is showing here.

 

[Stan Lee]

So are you saying Sunspot had more impact in dfofp than Jean Grey because Sunspot were in the movie longer than 2 minutes?

Well he did help hold off the sentinels which gave the heroes time to save mutants in the future. While Jean didn't impact the story at all.

Again ,it doesn't matter if someone in the screen for two hours if that character was treated as a prop. Mystique was utilized more in 6 movies that she appeared in than Beast in 4 movies. Who encouraged Magneto to switch sides at the climax, who was barking orders at the X-Men when they were in Danger Room, who gave the pep talk to Jean and company when they were in the blackbird, who tried to stab Apocalypse in the neck, who brought Kurt in the mansion? Beast was there in Apocalypse to fill in for the action scenes and gave Cyke his glasses. Mystique had a more substantial role.

The bold didn't impact the plot much.

Beast was there to complete his arc of accepting his mutation. Even Kinberg has said this.

Edit: And it was his idea to form the X-Men.

 

[henzINNIT]

This set-up of period jumping prequels is so tired now. We're stuck with strangely ageless characters who appear to learn nothing over vast stretches of time, and the films are always so focused on setting up these characters that it rarely feels like they can just be who they are. Beast is probably the biggest victim. It literally took him 20 years to get over being blue. Ridiculous.

 

[Legion]

Because some have nostalgia glasses.Comics are better source.

Unpopular to say it here but wolverine and the X-Men is better adaptian of the comics.

The fact X-Men team never changes and fact Kitty prde is left out entriely in favor of kitty wannabee Jubilee and fact Nightcrawler and Colossus barely appear all influence my oporion.

Lol...except that the 90s series...you know...actually told stories from the comics. They didn't need to use the exact same line up as the comics stories because it's an adaptation.

Wolverine and the xmen was like bad fan fiction someone wrote after watching X3.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well he did help hold off the sentinels which gave the heroes time to save mutants in the future. While Jean didn't impact the story at all.

The bold didn't impact the plot much.

Beast was there to complete his arc of accepting his mutation. Even Kinberg has said this.

Edit: And it was his idea to form the X-Men.

His idea? You clearly didn't listen to what Raven said.... They called themselves the X-Men back in the 60s which is a retcon... Even if it was his idea, Mystique was still more prominent. And it wasnt even explained why he was still in blue form after Dofp and there was nothing that connected to his syoryline in FC in finding a cure for his physical mutations. Keep spinning this amount of screentime = importance.

I never knew Sunspot was more important in Dofp than Jean's surprise cameo. You know that cameo that was actually talked about after people saw the movie?

 

[Stan Lee]

His idea? You clearly didn't listen to what Raven said.... They called themselves the X-Men back in the 60s which is a retcon... Even if it was his idea, Mystique was still more prominent. And it wasnt even explained why he was still in blue form after Dofp and there was nothing that connected to his syoryline in FC in finding a cure for his physical mutations. Keep spinning this amount of screentime = importance.

I never knew Sunspot was more important in Dofp than Jean's surprise cameo. You know that cameo that was actually talked about after people saw the movie?

Hank said to Mystique that he talked to Xavier about forming the X-Men after the events of First Class. So it was his idea. Mystique was just exaggerating in that scene.

Remember when Mystique said that the kids needed to embrace their powers and then the camera cuts to Beast's face? He did it to set an example.

Edit: And it was Beast that helped convinced Mystique to return home.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Beast is probably the biggest victim. It literally took him 20 years to get over being blue. Ridiculous.

I never understood that idea that there is a period in which someone should just get over something, i imagine people can want to hide something all their life and never get over it.

 

[DavidHaller]

I am also wondering why Nicholas Hoult is not criticized online for being a diva like Jennifer Lawrence all the time...obviously he also refused to wear make-up more than necessary...

 

[Stan Lee]

I never understood that idea that there is a period in which someone should just get over something, i imagine people can want to hide something all their life and never get over it.

Homosexuals.

 

[henzINNIT]

I never understood that idea that there is a period in which someone should just get over something, i imagine people can want to hide something all their life and never get over it.

In life, sure. But we are talking about a pre-existing character who is loved for his personality and wit (which was pretty well depicted in TLS). AND for being blue. Because the last 3 films have been prequels obsessed with characters before they were themselves, the vast majority of our time with him has been a drawn-out saga of insecurity, and lets face it: face time for Hoult. The character will always have those demons (again, it was pretty well depicted in TLS), but I hope that if he returns we can get something new.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hank said to Mystique that he talked to Xavier about forming the X-Men after the events of First Class. So it was his idea. Mystique was just exaggerating in that scene.

Remember when Mystique said that the kids needed to embrace their powers and then the camera cuts to Beast's face? He did it to set an example.

Edit: And it was Beast that helped convinced Mystique to return home.

Doesn't matterif it was his idea or if he convinced Mystique to return which he didn't.

You keep spinning things like as if Beast and Mystique had the same level of importance from First Class to Apocalypse. Flash news, they did not.

Your IMDb source of screentime count is irrelevant because any one could appear over 50 minutes and have zero amount of importance in the story especially if they were just canon fodder (sunspot) or plot device.

You are really gonna tell everyone here that Beast was as developed as Mystique because of something you saw on IMDb? Really?

 

[Havok83]

Mystique was lead (arguable in Apocalypse), but Hank most definitely was supporting throughout the films, primarily to Xavier and Mystique. He really didnt have his own individual arc. He was meant to be used as a vehicle to help other characters develop

 

[Infinity9999x]

Hasn't Fiege pretty much put the kabosh on any chance of this happening.

 

[EnDz0n3]

X-men would at marvel be way more ultimate X-men inspired.

Ultimate X-men came out *after* the first X-men movie. It's more influenced by the movies than you'd like to admit. Sorry.

I am also wondering why Nicholas Hoult is not criticized online for being a diva like Jennifer Lawrence all the time...obviously he also refused to wear make-up more than necessary...

Probably because one has complained lots in interviews about the make up process while the other hasn't and looks like he genuinely enjoys being in this franchise.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Hasn't Fiege pretty much put the kabosh on any chance of this happening.

Pretty much.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Probably because one has complained lots in interviews about the make up process while the other hasn't and looks like he genuinely enjoys being in this franchise.

Doesn't explain why he is out of make up just as much.

It seems like any time lawrence is out of make up it automatically has to be down to her but when its hoults no one thinks twice about it because he isn't jennifer lawrence and everyone is so transfixed on her because she is jennifer lawrence that people don't really think about hoults not being in make up just as much.

Although i do remember when the first image of hoults out of make up for DOFP was released it drove people crazy for a while insisting FOX just didn't wanna hide hoults pretty face.

Oh and also there were some saying mcavoy refused to shave his head and thats why he wasn't bald for 2 and a half movies.

Basically if you hate or don't agree with something it had to have been done for the wrong reason.

 

[henzINNIT]

Probably because one has complained lots in interviews about the make up process while the other hasn't and looks like he genuinely enjoys being in this franchise.

Also, one of his most notable roles outside of this franchise was Fury Road so it doesn't appear that he has a problem with prosthetics and make-up.

I've defended Lawrence before because she can get an unreal amount of hate among X-Men fans, but her dislike of the make-up is surely undeniable at this point. I don't think that is even that big of a deal. I wouldn't want to be plainted blue every day for work either. Problem is that the film series has to contrive reasons to keep her in human form despite it being totally against her character, and tons of people are bored of the character anyway (probably even Lawrence herself).

 

[EnDz0n3]

Doesn't explain why he is out of make up just as much.

It seems like any time lawrence is out of make up it automatically has to be down to her but when its hoults no one thinks twice about it because he isn't jennifer lawrence and everyone is so transfixed on her because she is jennifer lawrence that people don't really think about hoults not being in make up just as much.

Although i do remember when the first image of hoults out of make up for DOFP was released it drove people crazy for a while insisting FOX just didn't wanna hide hoults pretty face.

Oh and also there were some saying mcavoy refused to shave his head and thats why he wasn't bald for 2 and a half movies.

Basically if you hate or don't agree with something it had to have been done for the wrong reason.

First of all it's Hoult. If you're gonna insult the guy get his name right LOL

Secondly, we do know that Jennifer Lawrence hates the make up so it's no longer about *if* she hates the make up process and *if* she's complained about it to the media and *if* she's "put her foot down" to get her more face time out of make up or *if* she'd rather be in a different franchise.

She does.

 

[Frankeh]

Secondly, we do know that Jennifer Lawrence hates the make up so it's no longer about *if* she hates the make up process and *if* she's complained about it to the media and *if* she's "put her foot down" to get her more face time out of make up or *if* she'd rather be in a different franchise.

She does.

Well said.

And again, I see the fact that people simply don't like her acting as Mystique is being ignored. It isn't just about the makeup. Even she didn't like her acting in Apocalypse. Do the filmmakers deserve some blame too? Yes, because she has been turned into something quite different than what she was in comics, and no, people shouldn't be forced to like it just because it is a prominent/well-developed female character, just like Storm and Rogue in the OT, because they loved these characters before the movies for a reason.

EDIT: Lol I can't believe how many times we've all had this same discussion.

And FWIW I have seen people complaining about Hoult's acting too -- too meek, too insecure, too brooding. That's why some say Kelsey Grammer was better. I also remember him getting a lot of hate for that werewolf power they gave him in DOFP.

 

[henzINNIT]

Well said.

And again, I see the fact that people simply don't like her acting as Mystique is being ignored. It isn't just about the makeup. Even she didn't like her acting in Apocalypse. Do the filmmakers deserve some blame too? Yes, because she has been turned into something quite different than what she was in comics, and no, people shouldn't be forced to like it just because it is a prominent/well-developed female character, just like Storm and Rogue in the OT, because they loved these characters before the movies for a reason.

EDIT: Lol I can't believe how many times we've all had this same discussion.

And FWIW I have seen people complaining about Hoult's acting too -- too meek, too insecure, too brooding. That's why some say Kelsey Grammer was better. I also remember him getting a lot of hate for that werewolf power they gave him in DOFP.

Well said there too.

Hoult's had a couple of moments in the series, but on the whole I'm disappointed by how the character has progressed since First Class.