Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2: Fusion (360, PS3, Wii, DS)

[CBGB]

You gotta collect items for those three.

M'Krann Shards, Asgardian Runes, and Gamma Regulators for Jean, Thor, and Hulk respectively.

They're hidden throughout the levels. Five of each is needed.

Ah, okay thanks. The thing that surprised me the most was how short it was. Did anyone else feel this way?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Alright:

Superheros irresponsibly confront dangerous villans near a school.

Back it up.

They discover dangerous villans near a school, and (uncharacteristically) decide they can take them. They're discovered, because they bring a camera crew with them, and quickly lose handle of the situation.

What is characteristic, is property damage caused by superhuman fights between heroes and villans, and people die.

Moral of the story? Stupid heroes do stupid things, which get innocent people killed.

But people are mad at the heroes for no good reason, apparently.

However, the rest of your post addresses something far different. To go in front of congress, they'd basically be making themselves vulnerable to scrutiny of their own, sometimes underhanded, acts themselves, and would definitely come off as pompous for going in front of congress behind a mask, and telling them how things need to be. Rather than NBA players defending their actions due to the stress of their sport. It's not really comparable.

Heroes, now united, are given a direction and support, and initiative they haven't exactly had before. Generally, when confronting a villan, they'll chase them down, beat them up, and help put them in jail, and wait for the next villan to arise, or get info on a villan. With the government running them, they're now given these tasks far more often, and pursue it in either the same vigor, or less than in many cases.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ah, okay thanks. The thing that surprised me the most was how short it was. Did anyone else feel this way?

Yah, it was pretty short.

 

[iamlegend]

I forced myself to play the game as I supremely abhor Civil War. Civil War was basicly Marvel Morons to me. New Warriors acting like newbes when they have taken down one of Galactus Heralds. Being upset with the heroes over the actions of supervillians is the equivalent of the U.S. going to war with airlines over 9/11.
Heroes never got together and discussed whats going on or to even put on a united front...hell even the baseball players accused of using steroids had time to get their stories straight before going before Senate panels.
Heroes going after heroes with an intensity that they never had for their archvillains...I never once heard Reed offer a final solution to Doom...and Doom had his kids in Hell.
Once I go to the secondary storyline and past the CW stupidity the game became playable.

You've got it about right... Civil War was a complete mess.

To be fair, Marvel's version of the United States has always been a bit more twisted/evil than in reality (and that's saying something...) so the civilians turning on heroes is somewhat believable.

The hero-to-hero interactions made no sense and were awfully handled, though. The prime heroes had all offered more compassion to their fiercest enemies before... and were turning on each other like animals.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Yeah, that I didn't like. The Civil War part should of been atleast 2 acts. But the game is fun, so I don't mind it that much. Plus, none of the levels are pains to get through like the Atlantis & Asgard levels from the first game. I usually quit playthroughs around there, that's probably why I like the space levels so much I barely ever played them.

 

[roach]

Alright:

Superheros irresponsibly confront dangerous villans near a school.

Back it up.

They discover dangerous villans near a school, and (uncharacteristically) decide they can take them. They're discovered, because they bring a camera crew with them, and quickly lose handle of the situation.

What is characteristic, is property damage caused by superhuman fights between heroes and villans, and people die.

Moral of the story? Stupid heroes do stupid things, which get innocent people killed.

But people are mad at the heroes for no good reason, apparently.

I get that. However they didnt cause Nitro to explode. Nitro exploded on his own.The New Warriors didnt trigger him.

However, the rest of your post addresses something far different. To go in front of congress, they'd basically be making themselves vulnerable to scrutiny of their own, sometimes underhanded, acts themselves, and would definitely come off as pompous for going in front of congress behind a mask, and telling them how things need to be. Rather than NBA players defending their actions due to the stress of their sport. It's not really comparable.
Tony and Peter went before Congressial hearings on superhumans

Heroes, now united, are given a direction and support, and initiative they haven't exactly had before. Generally, when confronting a villan, they'll chase them down, beat them up, and help put them in jail, and wait for the next villan to arise, or get info on a villan. With the government running them, they're now given these tasks far more often, and pursue it in either the same vigor, or less than in many cases.

The mistake with CW was that choice was taken from the heroes. Register or retire...and in some cases they didnt get to retire. I would think a group of individuals who single handedly saved the world a million times over would have been granted some leeway.

 

[iamlegend]

The mistake with CW was that choice was taken from the heroes. Register or retire...and in some cases they didnt get to retire. I would think a group of individuals who single handedly saved the world a million times over would have been granted some leeway.

Well, see, then there'd of been no conflict. Marvel had to concoct a ridiculous storyline in order to get the CW to begin, and then completely vilified the Pro-Reg side in order to push how "right" and truly "patriotic" the Anti-Reggers were.

All in all, a properly coordinated Registration system is the logical way to handle metahuman superheroes. But Marvel knew that a properly handled system wouldn't give them the tripe they wanted.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, but the NW upon identifying Nitro should've immediately pulled back, or disallowed engagement in such a public area.

And yeah, Tony and Peter went, but hardly all costumed heroes went to defend themselves.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think the CW showed that what Tony wanted WAS right. The whole thing wasn't completely one sided in favour of the anti reg forces.

But it was just the way Tony and Reed went about things, Reed in particular, left a bad taste in my mouth. Coz Stark has always been a bit of a *****e but Reed just turned into one over night.

 

[zenith16]

that was the point of it ace. I think i said that a large number of pages back that ironman and his crew were repesenting what real politicions have done in order of what may be a good cause but their actions say other wise it was also adress in shows like 24 or gundum seed. but done better story wise. and was kind a poke at was was happen atthe time present. which also address on the news withth current prez at the time.

he might be doing to protect others or trying to do it for a good cause. But his actions that he was using to get to that fruition of it, alot of people may not approve of. Too bad alot of people didn't find out what tony did. except us fans reading it. so all in all tony was just being used a a mirror to what was going at that preiod in reallife though like other places were like shows were doing.

But i do agree on reed. that was off. but what can you do? it's not like this hasn't happened before it happen in new X-Men with characters acting out of character. And it happened in cw in same way. both of which was bad. man there's a lot of stuff I wish didn't happen or were handled better. ahh well.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Both sides we're totally ridiculous, but Cap really annoyed me. Before anything escalated, he should have made a deal with Tony and registered, in order to maintain an element of control over it. His only concern was letting a government have control of superheroes, which I disagree with as well, but there should be training and an authority for supes... It just seemed silly that there was never any sort of negotiation period... All the times they spoke it was just "I think THIS is the right way" "Oh yeah, well I think THIS is the right way!"... and having Cap shot at the end was stupid... We all knew he wasn't going to stay dead, since they were already planning a Cap movie at that point.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

No Cap agreed with the registration and training of heroes.

What pissed off Cap was them having to reveal their true identities. Look at Spider-Man. He revealed his identity and Aunt May got shot. That is what Cap's whole argument was about. By them revealing their identities their families and loved ones would be targeted by the villains.

And Cap and Tony did meet up one to one for a chat. In the ruined Avengers Mansion if I remember correctly. Think it was in one of Iron Mans books.

 

[zenith16]

they met a small number of times but cap was messed up over what maria hill put him through, some shield agents did put a few bullets into him on the shield carrier he escaped from and he was hop up on pain killers and iron was in "i want power mode." sine ne was sec of defence any more so it was like no matter what they were saying it wasn't reaching each other. cap had good reason but his mind was hazed half that event.

tony sort had good reason, but his was flawed with his actions he took to bring things about. that and maria hill stroked his ego. I'll make you director of shield and all that. tony was acting like a politician. like the ones in real life.

cap was,,, well lets just say if you saw all the news reports of fights breaking out in north America on streets over bush and how he was running things before his term ended you'd get what they were representing. there average joe fighting ver civil lerbertys in realife and yeeven stupid tv shows like the "view" ugh . that's who cap and iron man were representing. that's why they seemed nuts.

There were a large amont of people in real life caught on tape doing stuff like that to a degree over such issues when bush was in charge. but i've said this before. this was what marvel was show casing. they saw all that and decided to play on that since it was on so often on the news in north america.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Cap has been through much worse situations than that, I don't accept that all his actions were a result of being "hazed".

Regardless of who was in the right or whatever, Stark and Cap never actually sat down together and tried to thrash out ideas and how to implement the new act, which is what 2 lifelong friends and teammates WOULD do.

 

[zenith16]

yeah in the states there were people that were friends that let issues get in the away of their friend ship and they knew each along while too. ohboy hmmm ok I might have to dig some stuff up. I hate looking for that crap.

They were just being used to bring out a point. that some people in the states were acting stupid. it was repesention of what was going inthe states atthe time man. I have to show it I guess.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

yeah in the state there people that were friend that let issue get in the away of their friend ship and they knew each along while too. ohboy hmmm ok I might to dig some stuff up. I hate looking for that crap. the were just being to bring out a point. that some people inthe states were acting stupid.

Uh




What?

 

[zenith16]

I corrected that I said the united states . never mind i have some video to find before I answer this.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

When you say "Some people in the states were acting stupid" I'd have to ask you to narrow that down QUITE a bit. That could be anyone t:

 

[zenith16]

i'll get back to you with that i have lot of video to shift through. I'll put them up for ya and then drop it cause it's a pain looking for it. especially since those were the people cap and ironman were representing.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

So I take it they were politicians of some type... I don't know, that doesn't make me like it anymore if theres a political agenda underneath what should just be an entertaining Marvel story.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I haven't read the "Civil War What ifs" but I just read this summary of one of the plots for "What if Iron Man lost the Civil War?" and it's basically just what I think should have realistically happened. Here it is:

The second is "What if Iron Man lost the Civil War?" In this reality, Iron Man asks for Cap's help in chapter three instead of threatening him, thus Cap does not use the hidden weapon in his glove to disable Tony's armor. When the Thor clone is sent out by accident, Reed Richards is quickly knocked out when he tries to initiate the shutdown and Iron Man saves Bill Foster's life at the cost of his own armor. With Reed and Tony, the only men who know the shutdown for the clone, being unable to stop him, Captain America steps in to save Iron Man from being killed, and all the heroes unite to bring the clone down. Afterwards, while discussing the reasons for and against registration, Tony points out that Cap is the perfect person to oversee the registered identities and make sure it runs smoothly outside of government interference as he is the only person the superhero community would trust their identities to if they had to. With this new system in place, the Avengers train new heroes and create a better world.

 

[zenith16]

So I take it they were politicians of some type... I don't know, that doesn't make me like it anymore if there's a political agenda underneath what should just be an entertaining Marvel story.

it had alot to do with that and what was going with the Iraq war and other stuff with the united states Patriot Act which was a privacy issue and is a civil liberties issue

which kinda brought this out it was said by the marvel writers on tv in north America in certain places after all this was really just about every where you turned the channel and listened to the radio. there were wire taps and all going on. false reason for the war. I'll post some of this
that have been caught and are in major trouble cause of act's like that like what took place with the .FBI Illegally Used Patriot Act, Audit.
link to the story
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/09/politics/main2551665.shtml?source=search_storyAnd

and video.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=255

or what dick Cheney and his people did to Valerie Plame a CIA Agent doing her job and telling the truth and not rebranding things so the war can take place for fake reasons as you know he wanted.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/28/60minutes/main994753_page2.shtml.

and more importantly this link

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/13/politics/main1802721.shtml?source=search_story

but there was better stuff i was looking for. but when you look at this and the actions tony did their similar. But I have better stuff that I'm really looking for actually.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm pretty sure I read a Mark Millar interview about Civil War though, where he said it wasn't deliberately political, it just kinda came out that way, particularly off the back of writing The Ultimates storyline where the government uses superheroes to fight overseas. I don't think it's based on anyone, or any particular people, its just political, and any similarities with the comic and real politicians is just coincedental (and lets be honest, hardly surprising)

 

[Amadeus Arkham]

It's kind of impossible for a storyline like that to not become political.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Agreed. It was always gonna have a political commentary whether it was intended or not.