Marvel's Black & Minority Characters: Roundtable Discussion

[Lightning Strykez!]

sorry, but i don't see how this war could be based off of any form of discrimination... its based off rules, safety and regulation.. nothing more... though certain events.. might and single person actions have lead to some discrimatory events (see black panther) other then that.. the only discriminatory thing ive seen is just the general public bashing heroes..

But the way it's being handled (Translation: Into the Neg. Zone you go!) can be interpreted that way, hence Invisible Woman's Nazi concentration camp-application. Basically, whether you're innocent or not you have to go through a process because you're different than the mainstream. That is classified as discrimation, the "safety" issues are inconsequential. And that's Cap's gripe with it--such regulation should have no place in a democratic society.

Hell, Hitler thought he was making the world safer too.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But the way it's being handled (Translation: Into the Neg. Zone you go!) can be interpreted that way, hence Invisible Woman's Nazi concentration camp-application. Basically, whether you're innocent or not you have to go through a process because you're different than the mainstream. That is classified as discrimation, the "safety" issues are inconsequential. And that's Cap's gripe with it--such regulation should have no place in a democratic society.

Hell, Hitler thought he was making the world safer too.

but that treatment is being held for those who do not register... because it's illegal for them to do so... now the hunting down is a very discriminitive action.. problem is if its not the case of whats law and whats not... what are they being descriminitive against? the same exact thing they are? sure there could be one person possibly stark having a discriminative purpose.. but you can't blame the war on a single discrimintive action unless its against superhearoes as a whole.

 

[La The Darkman]

o i know, but i don't dwell on the past... everyone has the ability in them to "act out of character" in extreme times... we just didn't have a valid reason for reed to be doing so until now.. and now in my book, its fixed and explained.....

Yeah McDuffie did a great job of explaining Reed's reasons for doing what he's doing. All the other times Reed gave his "reasons" can be chalked up to him just lying because that formula of his is more effective and accurate when few people as possible know about it.

 

[Inhuman63]

But by the same token, she could've been on Idol, gotten the role and still presented unprecedented levels of suckage or--at best--a forgettable performance (See Beyonce).

Just adding my 2 cents to this particular convo even though I know it's off topic. Beyonce did an okay job with what she was given. The role of Deena Jones is just poorly written with no real emotional arc in it. The meat and potatos of Dreamgirls is Effie White and James Thunder Early. If the writers and/or producers would have shown Deena as more than just a showpiece and someone with her own story to tell, then I would have considered Dreamgirls a modern masterpiece. Right now, I just think of it as being a good movie but one that is almost a carbon copy of the theatrical production. BTW, the original Effie (Jennifer Holiday) fought to ensure that her character was going to have a good arc and not just be the bitter ex-lead singer that was never seen in the second act.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Just adding my 2 cents to this particular convo even though I know it's off topic. Beyonce did an okay job with what she was given. The role of Deena Jones is just poorly written with no real emotional arc in it. The meat and potatos of Dreamgirls is Effie White and James Thunder Early. If the writers and/or producers would have shown Deena as more than just a showpiece and someone with her own story to tell, then I would have considered Dreamgirls a modern masterpiece. Right now, I just think of it as being a good movie but one that is almost a carbon copy of the theatrical production. BTW, the original Effie (Jennifer Holiday) fought to ensure that her character was going to have a good arc and not just be the bitter ex-lead singer that was never seen in the second act.

Good point, but Beyonce has never "blown me away" with her acting prowess. She brags that she has the talent, but I have yet to see serious confirmation of it. She played the same person she plays in all of her firms...herself (especially in this film, which has striking similarities to how Matthew treated Latavia and Letoya years ago).

Speaking of Mr. Knowles, I've read that he's none too pleased about the way Jennifer has outshined his Precious. But considering the dirt he's done, I guess payback (and karma by default) is a beeya.

I also find it funny that Jennifer Hudson:

*Was booted off American Idol in favor of talentless hack from Hawaii

*Is playing a character who rises above a girl group who kicks her out

*Has unwittingly outshined the top lead actress who--in real life--has led a group which booted off members at the request of her Matthew "Thunder" Knowles daddy

And the best part of this metaphorical parrallel is that this former American Idol reject in the running for a fricken Oscar....

Heh. Whew.

 

[Darthphere]

Good point, but Beyonce has never "blown me away"

We all can't be that lucky.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Good point, but Beyonce has never "blown me away" with her acting prowess. She brags that she has the talent, but I have yet to see serious confirmation of it. She played the same person she plays in all of her firms...herself (especially in this film, which has striking similarities to how Matthew treated Latavia and Letoya years ago).

Speaking of Mr. Knowles, I've read that he's none too pleased about the way Jennifer has outshined his Precious. But considering the dirt he's done, I guess payback (and karma by default) is a beeya.

I also find it funny that Jennifer Hudson:

*Was booted off American Idol in favor of talentless hack from Hawaii

*Is playing a character who rises above a girl group who kicks her out

*Has unwittingly outshined the top lead actress who--in real life--has led a group which booted off members at the request of her Matthew "Thunder" Knowles daddy

And the best part of this metaphorical parrallel is that this former American Idol reject in the running for a fricken Oscar....

Heh. Whew.

i think this is the very reason people are in love with her.. she's living the appitimy of the american dream

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

We all can't be that lucky.

Jay-Z has barred me from B.

But I can change your luck though.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

personally i dont see why a woman who has money and doesnt want it... would want to be with Jay-Z... hes a googley eyed fugly man

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

personally i dont see why a woman who has money and doesnt want it... would want to be with Jay-Z... hes a googley eyed fugly man

He has full lips.

Can you imagine how great he must cool her...soup?

 

[Darthphere]

He has full lips.

Can you imagine how great he must cool her...soup?

Snap...

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Ahem.

Attack of the Soup-Coolahs!!

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, I disagree with that assessment, but that's fine. We're all entitled to our own interpretations of this war.

Well, that's fine to disagree, and I love when people have good reasons to disagree.

I just wish to know why you feel that way.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

That image is degrading..but sadly..its true.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Which image?

 

[La The Darkman]

Which image?

I think he means the one of Camel joe up there. t:

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I think he means the one of Camel joe up there. t:

*snicker*



He does look kinda like one, doesn't he....

 

[Shockdingo]

Good point, but Beyonce has never "blown me away" with her acting prowess. She brags that she has the talent, but I have yet to see serious confirmation of it. She played the same person she plays in all of her firms...herself (especially in this film, which has striking similarities to how Matthew treated Latavia and Letoya years ago).

Speaking of Mr. Knowles, I've read that he's none too pleased about the way Jennifer has outshined his Precious. But considering the dirt he's done, I guess payback (and karma by default) is a beeya.

I also find it funny that Jennifer Hudson:

*Was booted off American Idol in favor of talentless hack from Hawaii

*Is playing a character who rises above a girl group who kicks her out

*Has unwittingly outshined the top lead actress who--in real life--has led a group which booted off members at the request of her Matthew "Thunder" Knowles daddy

And the best part of this metaphorical parrallel is that this former American Idol reject in the running for a fricken Oscar....

Heh. Whew.

Hehe that's what I find incredibly awesome about the Hudson saga t: I mean dude, who else can steam role over Beyonce like that, and to add to the fact that she's new at all this. She was off idol and she has not acted on the big or small screen before. I don't dislike Beyonce, but I just don't get why she keeps getting movie roles

 

[Anubis]

Cuz she's hot, and her star power makes SOME people go see movies that they otherwise wouldn't. Though I still haven't seen Dream Girls, I f**king hate Musicals.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, if you call THAT hot. She doesn't conform to the narrow view of hot.

 

[Eros]

Cuz she's hot, and her star power makes SOME people go see movies that they otherwise wouldn't. Though I still haven't seen Dream Girls, I f**king hate Musicals.

Plus Beyonces a great singar and performer. Acting is a hobby for her, and she treats it as such.

 

[La The Darkman]

Cuz she's hot, and her star power makes SOME people go see movies that they otherwise wouldn't. Though I still haven't seen Dream Girls, I f**king hate Musicals.

She's not that hot to me anymore...She needs to eat a couple more sammichs or something.

 

[Eros]

She's not that hot to me anymore...She needs to eat a couple more sammichs or something.

your jokeing right?

 

[La The Darkman]

your jokeing right?

No......I like women with a decent amount of meat on their bones.....She like like 20 lbs or something for that role in Dreamgirls and she kept it off.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Beyonce is a fine singer. But she is definitely overrated.

And to be perfectly honest (and I'm not trying to hate, just participate)...she's not that beautiful. Sure she's hyped as this Uber-Phine mami, but she's nothing I can't readily find in a club holding up the wall.