Days of Future Past Matthew Vaughn Is NOT Helming X-Men: First Class Sequel

[Nerial]

Found this:

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/hunger-games-director-gary-ross-resumes-sequel-talks-054118155.html

Long story short--it says that Jennifer Lawrence is scheduled to start shooting the sequel to X-Men: First Class in January. So there's the start up date!

Did anyone else beat me to this???

 

[Angamb]

we all already knew it, but at least its a new article for me, lol

so thanks for posting

 

[JP]

Perhaps so, but I'm going to side with Loganbabe on this one. At worst, Charles acted like a big brother to Raven--a little over-protective, a tid bossy and thinking he knows best for her. There was nothing manipulative about that--just typical sibling stuff.

That doesn't contradict anything I said, though.

 

[Nerial]

That doesn't contradict anything I said, though.

This is true, but I never got the impression that Raven felt manipulated. And that's what the argument was essentially about.

 

[Mrs Vimes]

This is true, but I never got the impression that Raven felt manipulated.

Yeah, same. For sure, there were tensions in their relationship, but while Raven clearly felt that there were things about her Charles didn't understand I couldn't see an indication that she also felt manipulated by him.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I think she felt manipulated in terms of how Charles basically bred her to hide her mutation. And when you're liberated, it's easy to feel manipulated by those whom you were liberated from. It was lightly suggested that she may have felt a bit brainwashed in her retrospect.

 

[Mrs Vimes]

I did get a sense that, after she learned to accept her true form, Raven was thinking back on all those years she's spent in disguise hiding herself and taking out her anger on Charles. But I did not get an impression from that kitchen scene before Cuba that Raven actually felt like she'd been manipulated. She snaps at Charles on a few points in that scene, but brainwashing is not one of them.

 

[merbass]

I want Mystique to have voice effect in this one.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think she felt manipulated in terms of how Charles basically bred her to hide her mutation. And when you're liberated, it's easy to feel manipulated by those whom you were liberated from. It was lightly suggested that she may have felt a bit brainwashed in her retrospect.

Not brainwashed but definitely restrained and repressed, because of Xavier's ideals - and his lack of understanding of her physical mutation (because he didn't have an abnormal appearance and was wanting her to fit in rather than stand out).

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Not brainwashed but definitely restrained and repressed, because of Xavier's ideals - and his lack of understanding of her physical mutation (because he didn't have an abnormal appearance and was wanting her to fit in rather than stand out).

Yet another parallel to the OT with Xavier's control over Jean Grey.

 

[X-Maniac]

Yet another parallel to the OT with Xavier's control over Jean Grey.

What's the OT?

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

What's the OT?

Original trilogy.

 

[JP]

Most definitely.

 

[Nerial]

Yet another parallel to the OT with Xavier's control over Jean Grey.

If you want to take X-men 3 as canon, which means that Xavier is a total a-hole (even his dialogue reeks of it), Cyclops is a wimp, Rogue is a sell-out, and Logan is a push-over and certainly not the Wolverine I'd imagine.

So if you want all that, then sure--Xavier is a brainwasher.

 

[Nerial]

I did get a sense that, after she learned to accept her true form, Raven was thinking back on all those years she's spent in disguise hiding herself and taking out her anger on Charles. But I did not get an impression from that kitchen scene before Cuba that Raven actually felt like she'd been manipulated. She snaps at Charles on a few points in that scene, but brainwashing is not one of them.

I can agree with this. I felt like she did feel restrained, and needed to be liberated (which is the main reason I'm not ticked about her leaving Charles on the beach). But manipulated is pushing it, I think. Angry, yes, but not brainwashed. Charles biggest mistake with Raven is that he failed to take the time to fully understand what she was going through. He just assumed he knew.

At most, she might feel like Charles pushed his views on her...but as a little sister myself, if my brother isn't giving me a "life lecture," then he's either asleep or dead.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

If you want to take X-men 3 as canon, which means that Xavier is a total a-hole (even his dialogue reeks of it), Cyclops is a wimp, Rogue is a sell-out, and Logan is a push-over and certainly not the Wolverine I'd imagine.

So if you want all that, then sure--Xavier is a brainwasher.

X3 is definitely canon.

X-Men First Class alludes to it constantly.

I hadn't picked up on what X-Maniac brought up though until now, which again - only adds more to the connections between the characters from that film and First Class.

I'm still baffled that some people wanna believe First Class ignores it. It doesn't.

Hell, the only discrepancy between films is the appearance by a middle-aged Moira during a few 2-second scenes in X3.

 

[JP]

Xavier being a total a-hole is comic book accurate, so I don't see the problem.

 

[Majik1387]

X3 is definitely canon.

X-Men First Class alludes to it constantly.

I hadn't picked up on what X-Maniac brought up though until now, which again - only adds more to the connections between the characters from that film and First Class.

I'm still baffled that some people wanna believe First Class ignores it. It doesn't.

Hell, the only discrepancy between films is the appearance by a middle-aged Moira during a few 2-second scenes in X3.

That's not the only thing.

 

[Loganbabe]

I think there's an almost communal desire on this board to make Xavier be the a-hole of the X-Men and Magneto the one and truly hero. Which maybe were the vibes the film sent, anyway.

Sad. I've always liked the idea of a guy who started the X-Men because he wanted to help mutants, not manipulate them like a crazy psycho.

 

[BestGirl]

I think there's an almost communal desire on this board to make Xavier be the a-hole of the X-Men and Magneto the one and truly hero. Which maybe were the vibes the film sent, anyway.

Wherever did you get that idea?

 

[Loganbabe]

Just by reading the boards; read the comments above. Almost everybody here seems to consider Xavier an a-hole. Of course not everybody, otherwise I wouldn't use "almost".

 

[TheComicbookKid]

They're definitely interesting. But also a challenge.

Chamber blasts energy from his chest, just like Havok. And his later sonic powers are too much like Banshee.

And regarding Psylocke, we already have psychics in the form of Xavier and Emma. Seems like a bit of psi-overdose to include another one, even if she has 'psi-blades' (which are difficult to explain - mind power that comes through her hands like knives???!!!)

In this case, Psylocke still has the physcial aspect that Charles has lost. The team still needs an on-site "Jean" and Psylocke's different in the fact(they could depict) she has to physically hit her opponent to use her psychic ability.

I think the point about Chamber is that his energy can be shown in many ways.Havok's was in large rings with some weird dance. We really haven't seen an unleashed energy mass like Chamber's.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Just by reading the boards; read the comments above. Almost everybody here seems to consider Xavier an a-hole. Of course not everybody, otherwise I wouldn't use "almost".

Charles as a manipulator has become a standard character trait for quite a few years.

He has a-hole tendencies, but that's not to say he's the world's biggest jerk.

 

[JP]

I think there's an almost communal desire on this board to make Xavier be the a-hole of the X-Men and Magneto the one and truly hero. Which maybe were the vibes the film sent, anyway.

Huh? We're talking about the two as characters. Magneto is the sympathetic villain, while Xavier is the hero who tends to manipulate people because he feels it'll serve the greater good.

That's who both are. In the comics, and in the films.

Charles as a manipulator has become a standard character trait for quite a few years.

He has a-hole tendencies, but that's not to say he's the world's biggest jerk.

Precisely.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Huh? We're talking about the two as characters. Magneto is the sympathetic villain, while Xavier is the hero who tends to manipulate people because he feels it'll serve the greater good.

That's who both are. In the comics, and in the films.

The scene in X3 where Charles and Logan argue over Jean's mind is a perfect door into Xavier's own mind.

Xavier: "I chose the lesser of two evils."

Logan: "Well, it sounds like Jean had no choice at all."

The above along with every other motif leading up to the Xavier/Jean showdown make for the most emotional & dramatic event in the OT.

The guy feels responsible for what she's become & throws himself into the fire - only to ironically still be given a chance for escape by her - that he brilliantly refuses - getting killed in the process.

It showcases both how selfish he could be & how heroic he can be.

That's why I don't dislike X3.