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Days of Future Past "Director's Cut": The Official Matthew Vaughn Thread

It was Magneto that I was obsessed with. Shaw is the villain but you're now seeing all those elements of Shaw going into Magneto, that for me is the far more interesting arc. Professor X is a bit of a pious, sanctimonious boring character.
Damn, Vaughn really hates Xavier. :csad:
 
If McAvoy agrees with Vaughn's assessment - and you know he has, just in a more tactful way - does it mean he hates the character he played, too?
 
I think everyone can agree between Prof. X and Magneto especially in these movies that Magneto is always the more exciting one. Does that make X bad absolutely not, just less exciting.
 
Loganbabe is just worried that the public would react to Magneto the same way Vaughn has, simply because he likes Magneto more.
 
Damn, Vaughn really hates Xavier. :csad:

I wouldn't worry. Magneto's painful backstory gives us more to grab on to, but McAvoy and Fassbender both do brilliant jobs. Xavier has an excellent arc in the film, with surprising links to Raven/Mystique as well as some link to Moira.
 
X-Maniac just out of interest how have you already seen the movie??
 
X-Maniac just out of interest how have you already seen the movie??

Because I work in the media and was among those attending the many advance screenings held here in the UK. There's no great mystery to it.
 
If McAvoy agrees with Vaughn's assessment - and you know he has, just in a more tactful way - does it mean he hates the character he played, too?
Maybe McAvoy is some kind of masochist, so maybe yes?
Although I've never seen any indication James agrees with Vaughn, but anyway. I mean, maybe he agrees his character is not as "exciting", but I don't think any actor wants his character to take a backseat because said character is "boring". But maybe that's the way James is, idk.
 
Who said anything about Xavier taking a backseat? James McAvoy is the films lead.
 
He's not, at least from what Vaughn says. And Vaughn being the director, well. Whatever. I'm too emotionally invested in this film, it seems.
 
Because I work in the media and was among those attending the many advance screenings held here in the UK. There's no great mystery to it.
I didnt mean it in an arsey way i was just wondering how you had seen it and if you worked as a jorno??
 
I didnt mean it in an arsey way i was just wondering how you had seen it and if you worked as a jorno??

No problem, and no offence taken. I am indeed a professional journalist in mainstream media, as well as being a superhero geek who frequents the fansites and forums. It's probably quite rare to be both. My own news blog (see link in sig) was (at the time it was launched) pioneering in being a geeky site attached to the mainstream press. Other sites have since got on the bandwagon: LA Times has Hero Complex, MTV has Splashpage, The Hollywood Reporter has Heatvision. But I was there first, I'm proud to say.
 
Xavier has an excellent arc in the film, with surprising links to Raven/Mystique as well as some link to Moira.
That's another thing that bugs me. Of course I don't want to enter in spoilerish territory, but I wonder why Raven has such a deep connecion with Charles, almost like a brother and sister relationship, only to completely desert him in the end. It seems rather cruel, although of course I haven't seen the film yet so I don't know how it was dealt with.

I've just seen an interview in which Vaughn and Jane Goldman talk about Mystique as the character we (the audience) are supposed to relate to, in terms of the choices she makes. Meaning that she'll leave the crippled almost-brother behind to follow the more excting character...that's the choice the audience is supposed to make as well? If that's how Vaughn thinks - and if he's already said he's only thinking of ONE new character for the next film, and that he/she would be totally related to Magneto - I think it would be better for him to forget about the X-Men kids and the boring professor wheeling around his mansion and do the Magneto solo film he dreams so much about already.
 
well xavier is not mr nice guy either in this film

he is very wreckless in his choices for example he outs hank in front of his bosses not thinking how it will affect him emotionally
 
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well xavier is not mr nice guy either in this film
He isn't, but it's more that he's a bit arrogant and reckless and maybe too impulsive. I like that he's not perfect. But he's still a good man.

What I mean is that there's no indication that Xavier would do anything really horrible to Raven, and hurt her so much that she would leave her once almost brother. I haven't seen the film so I don't know. But it wouldn't suit Xavier's character to be purposefully mean to her.
 
That's another thing that bugs me. Of course I don't want to enter in spoilerish territory, but I wonder why Raven has such a deep connecion with Charles, almost like a brother and sister relationship, only to completely desert him in the end. It seems rather cruel, although of course I haven't seen the film yet so I don't know how it was dealt with.

I've just seen an interview in which Vaughn and Jane Goldman talk about Mystique as the character we (the audience) are supposed to relate to, in terms of the choices she makes. Meaning that she'll leave the crippled almost-brother behind to follow the more excting character...that's the choice the audience is supposed to make as well? If that's how Vaughn thinks - and if he's already said he's only thinking of ONE new character for the next film, and that he/she would be totally related to Magneto - I think it would be better for him to forget about the X-Men kids and the boring professor wheeling around his mansion and do the Magneto solo film he dreams so much about already.

You keep trying to judge the film before you have seen the film. It means you are off the mark in your assumptions.

The choices that characters make seem logical and believable based on the events that occur to them individually and collectively. I'm not giving any more away but I thought that what happened with Mystique was very well done.

Trust me, you really do have to see the film and stop leaping to all these conclusions based on your interpretation of interviews.
 
You keep trying to judge the film before you have seen the film. It means you are off the mark in your assumptions.

The choices that characters make seem logical and believable based on the events that occur to them individually and collectively. I'm not giving any more away but I thought that what happened with Mystique was very well done.

Trust me, you really do have to see the film and stop leaping to all these conclusions based on your interpretation of interviews.

Exactly.

Loganbabe, you need to stop putting words into Vaughn's mouth. Nowhere did he ever say he wanted to do a solo film. If he did, he would have done it already considering there was an outline for it. Even Vaughn realises that Magneto works best when he has an antithesis, ie Xavier. And vice versa.

You're trying to make Vaughn out to be some sort of leader of an anti-Xavier bandwagon just because he has a blunt way of speaking about things.

You've said it's great that Xavier's characterisation has been deepened to make himself more interesting, yet you seem to have accepted Stewart's version in the films. Because that's exactly what he ends up doing. However Vaughn's direction of the character would mean that McAvoy remains more interesting than the later sequels.

Similarly you seem to have accepted that Magneto, as a bad guy, was a lot more fun in the Xmen movies. And almost everyone says playing baddies are more fun. So it can't be just Vaughn saying that, hmm? Little was paid to the character of Xavier, just that Stewart played him well and was the plot impetus.

Now, in First Class, Vaughn has made sure Xavier is more compelling. And all reviews indicate that. You cannot have it both ways. It's just that, in your eyes, Magneto always seems to 'win out', but you still feign surprise just because he's a bad guy? And that automatically makes the audience want to follow him more, and ergo his ideals?
 
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You keep trying to judge the film before you have seen the film. It means you are off the mark in your assumptions.
Uh, I'm not judging it. I'm speculating about it, or about some characters, just like the majority of people here. It's not a crime. :o

Trust me, you really do have to see the film and stop leaping to all these conclusions based on your interpretation of interviews.
They're not "conclusions". I think it's quite obvious that I don't know how the situation develops, but it's in my right to - again - speculate about it. I just find it a bit strange how one character goes from one point to the other, especially when it involves something as serious and deep like a friendship that started when Charles and Raven were kids. If she were just a girl he met in Oxford I really wouldn't give it a second thought, but Vaughn decided to make Xavier and Raven share this strong bond, which is intriguing to say the least.
Anyway, you believe it was well explained. Right, I'll see the movie and come to my own conclusions.

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Loganbabe, you need to stop putting words into Vaughn's mouth. Nowhere did he ever say he wanted to do a solo film.
And where in my post did I say he said that? :huh: What he actually said was "It was Magneto I was obsessed with". So maybe he should go and propose a solo MagnetoBond film to FOX - but this is me saying it, not Vaughn. I never read anywhere that he wanted to do a solo film.
But not even Singer, who we all know really loves Wolverine, never singled out the character as "the one I'm obsessed with". He always talked in terms of the team. Maybe he loved Wolverine more, but I never got this vibe from him. Vaughn has all the right to say he's more interested in such and such characters, but it still bugs me, sorry.

Even Vaughn realises that Magneto works best when he has an antithesis, ie Xavier. And vice versa.
So why did he say "Magneto needs another nemesis now that Xavier is in a wheelchair"? I mean, way to put the character who's supposed to be the other half, the antithesis, down. Maybe if he had said "Xavier now has the school and the kids, and his own situation to worry about, Magneto will fight some other villain" etc, it wouldn't bother me. What bothers me is the impression that he's always removing Xavier from the picture.
I think that Xavier/the school is more of a Bryan Singer thing. Vaughn would probably be perfectly happy to get away from all that and concentrate only in Magneto and the Brotherhood.

You're trying to make Vaughn out to be some sort of leader of an anti-Xavier bandwagon just because he has a blunt way of speaking about things.
I'm not trying to make him a anything. Vaughn is doing it himself. There's really a thin line between being blunt and being obnoxius. He was, I have to say, obnoxious when he said "James is still in the film...just." or "James is an actor and actors don't necessarily know what's best for them. That's on the record.", when there was this discussion about the British Film Council. Anyway, maybe it's a case - for me, personally - of liking a film but not necessarily liking its director.
 
to be fair vaughn is'nt lying xavier is boring when comparing him to magneto
 
It's so unfortunate that Vaughn cast a solid actor as Xavier and then went out of his way to make him compelling. It's like he hates the character or something. And then the fact that James was the first person to be cast in the film, and Vaughn's first choice for the role, really shows how little respect her has for McAvoy.

:whatever:
 

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