MCU Fight: Hela vs Kurse

[jaqua99]

We will be doing VS. battles for the MCU every week and will be using the Winners and Losers to create an accurate power tier list created by some of it's biggest fans (you). So don't forget to VOTE and after voting for a Winner please include a comment on which power tier, both the Winner and Loser should reside within. Also, see below for more details on the characters abilities as well as for a list of available power tiers to choose from.

Don't forget to put which Tier group you think Fenris and Kurse belong to in your posts.

So, without further delay here is this week's match up.

HELA Vs. KURSE

HELA

- Asgardian Physiology: As the eldest child of Odin, Hela has tremendous superhuman abilities and supernatural powers, far superior to those of any other Asgardian, even her younger brother Thor. It appears only the late Odin in his prime surpassed Hela's power among Asgardians, making Hela the second most powerful Asgardian of her time and one of the most powerful beings in the Nine Realms.

- Superhuman Strength: Hela possesses tremendous levels of superhuman strength, which allowed her to single-handedly wipe out all of the Valkyries (with only their leader barely surviving), and to even easily catch Mjølnir with one hand after it was thrown at her with full speed, before crushing it in her hand with no visible effort, in spite of it being one of the most powerful weapons in existence, causing it to explode in a blast of lightning. Hela later slaughtered the Warriors Three, Skurge, and the combined might of the Einherjar with ease. Furthermore, she was able to easily physically dominate Thor himself in two of their three battles, sending him flying with her attacks, and proved to have enough strength to injure the nearly invulnerable Asgardian, easily overpowered and tossed Valkyrie. away. Even after Thor gained his full powers, Hela proved to be still too strong for him. Only a fully-empowered Surtur and Odin at his prime was stronger than Hela, with Odin imprisoning her in Hel and Surtur managing to destroy her by destroying Asgard.

- Superhuman Durability: Hela's body, much like that of Thor, appears nigh-invulnerable, although her durability surpasses even her brother's, which allowed Hela to easily block spear strikes from a Gungnir-wielding Thor with her bare hands, and to even catch Mjølnir without injury. Hela was even unharmed after grabbing a handful of the Eternal Flame, impaled through the torso with an Einherjar's sword and stabbed with Gungnir by Thor without her body or her clothing being damaged, and emerged completely unharmed after a fully-empowered Thor hit her with massive lightning bolts. Indeed, only revived and enhanced Surtur's Twilight Sword was able to crush her, thus sending the Goddess of Death into oblivion.

- Superhuman Stamina: Like all Asgardians, Hela's musculature produces considerably less fatigue toxins during physical activity than the musculature of humans or normal Asgardians, allowing her to defeat numerous Asgardians, as well as fight against the combined might of Thor and Valkyrie without tiring.

- Superhuman Speed: Hela can move at exceptionally high speeds, as she was fast enough to keep up with and even outpace Thor and Valkyrie in combat, as well as even being fast enough to catch Mjølnir with one hand.

- Superhuman Agility: Hela naturally possesses greater agility, dexterity, balance, and body coordination than that of a human, and even most other Asgardians, with her managing to dodge and outpace Thor and Valkyrie's attacks for the majority of her battles with them and easily jump through a crater and land fully on her feet.

- Extended Longevity: Due to her connection to Asgard and to Hel, Hela is immortal and will not die, so long as the realm of Asgard exists.

- Supernatural Connection: As the first born of Odin, Hela has a supernatural connection to the realm Asgard, and can draw power from Asgard itself to perform incredible supernatural abilities. Hela can manifest various physical structures out of thin air, ranging from weapons to ground structures to even her own armor. She can even draw power from Asgard to enhance her natural abilities.

- Life and Death Manipulation: Hela was exiled for all eternity in the afterlife realm of Hel where the souls of those who died without being honored are driven to.

- Weapon Manifestation: Hela can manifest various weapons out of different parts of her body, though she would usually generate Necroswords, daggers, spears, and axes. These weapons are incredibly durable and sharp, enough to not only instantly kill the likes of Warriors Three and Skurge, but also even pierce right through Thor's nigh-invulnerable body, with Hela thus gouging his right eye out with a Necrosword. She also manifested the Bloodaxe, which she then gave to Skurge. Hela later launched oversized blades into a large gate to a secret cave where the fleeing Asgardians were hiding, allowed her to bring it down by telekinetically pulling the blades down along with the gate. She was also able to generate these spike-like constructs from the ground to pierce Surtur with, but that ultimately proved ineffective against the Fire Giant.

- Structure Manifestation: Hela could manifest metallic, blade-like structures from the ground surrounding her, as seen when she attempted to prevent Loki's spaceship containing the Asgardians from launching from the doomed realm, and later when she attempted to gain elevation during her short battle with Surtur.

- Armor Manifestation: After being freed by Odin's death, Hela was able to repair the damage to her clothing and make her headdress appear and disappear from her head.

- Necromancy: Hela, as the self-proclaimed "Goddess of Death", demonstrated being able to resurrect her allies, using a handful of flame from the Eternal Flame and tossing it against the ground to create a huge blast of green infernal energy. As such, she was able to revive her pet wolf Fenris and her Berserkers after discovering their corpses under Odin's Vault. She has ruled in the realm of Hel, where the souls of those who died without being honored are driven to.

- Master Combatant: Hela is immensely formidable and deadly warrioress in both armed and hand-to-hand combat, as she was the original owner of Mjølnir and the chief of the legion of Asgard as well as Odin's Executioner. Her skills are so tremendous that she easily managed to singlehandedly slay the entire Einherjar army of Asgard, as well as swiftly slay all of the Warriors Three whom were among the greatest warriors of Asgard. Indeed, Hela's combat skills are superior to even Valkyrie and Thor immensely skilled and powerful Asgardian warriors in their own right, with her notably able to battle both of them simultaneously, and beat Thor into submission in two of their three battles, even gouging out Thor's right eye with her Necrosword, as well as easily defeating Valkyrie in battle while she single-handedly slaughtered the Valkyries. While a fully-powered Thor (after receiving guidance from Odin's spirit) was able to almost match her to a stalemate, Hela still proved herself too much for him, necessitating Loki to resurrect Surtur and start Ragnarök[2]. Only Odin was ever able to defeat Hela in battle, having been the one who cast her out of Asgard and imprisoned her in Hel.

- Master Swordwoman: While Hela usually prefers to fight with her bare hands and telekinetically hurled weapons, she is also an tremendously skilled swordswoman, typically wielding a Necroswords. Indeed, Hela's skills allowed her to easily slaughter all of Asgard's Einherjar and Valkyries and even gain the upper hand over Thor using Gungnir and easily disarm him of his blades.

- Arcane Lore: Hela has been shown to have an encyclopedic knowledge of mystical artifacts and energy and also has great skill in handling them, as demonstrated when she easily caught Mjølnir (possibly due to being the hammer's original wielder) and shattered the nearly indestructible Asgardian Hammer, withstood repeated attacks from Gungnir, and withstood grabbing a handful of the Eternal Flame. She was also quickly able to tell that the Infinity Gauntlet in Odin's Vault was a fake replica, that the Casket of Ancient Winters was no longer functional, and that the Tesseract could still be useful to her. She was, however, surprised when she laid eyes upon the crowned skull of Surtur, having believed it was much bigger.

- Expert Leader: As the Chief of the Legion of Asgard and Odin's Executioner, Hela was known to be a very effective and brutal leader, with her skills in leadership being essential in Asgard's violent conquest of the Nine Realms.

- Mjølnir (formerly): Hela was the first owner of Mjølnir as the Executioner of Asgard and King Odin's first-born, until she was imprisoned in Hel by her own father. After her banishment, it was passed down to Thor, until she herself destroyed it after Thor threw the weapon at her upon her freedom.

- Necroswords: Hela is capable of manifesting Necroswords from her body, which she usually uses as throwing weapons but she also is exceptionally capable with using these swords for melee combat. These swords are more than strong and durable enough to instantly kill the Warriors Three each with a single stab, and even harm Thor.

- Bloodaxe: Hela conjured this weapon, but never used it, rather lending it to Skurge for his job as her executioner.

- Eternal Flame: Hela utilized the power of the Eternal Flame to resurrect her undead warriors as well as her loyal pet Asgardian wolf, Fenris.
KURSE

- Superhuman Strength: Algrim's original level of strength as a Dark Elf was tremendously increased to incalculable superhuman levels thanks to the Kurse Stone. He proved able to easily smash Asgardian architecture, punch right through nigh-impenetrable Asgardian force fields, send Thor flying or knock him down with a single blow, and completely overpower the mighty Asgardian in a brutal fight, to the point that the otherwise nigh-invulnerable Thor sustained injuries and was unable to effectively fight back. Kurse was even unfazed by blows from Mjølnir, and could even deflect the hammer in full flight with a blow, in spite of it being one of the most powerful weapons in existence.

- Superhuman Durability: After becoming Kursed, Algrim's body became extremely durable and resistant to physical injury. He has been struck by Asgardian blades, withstood a direct blast from the Asgardian Shield generator, and even taken direct blows from Thor and Mjølnir with no apparent injury or effect. A Black Hole Grenade was one of the few things powerful enough to destroy him, completely.

- Burning Grip: After becoming Kursed, Algrim/Kurse showed the ability to incinerate Asgardian Warriors, with superhuman durability with his grip.



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Cosmic Tier (cosmic/interdimension level power/presence on a planetary scale, at the minimum)

Dormammu

Eson The Searcher with Infinity Stone

Surtur Prime

Ego The Living Planet

Odin

Doctor Strange (w/ time gem)


Transcendent Tier (City to planetary level power & Cosmic/interdimensional level influence on a local scale)]


Ronan with the Power Stone

Ultron Prime (Vibranium)

Thanos

Fenris


Powerhouse Tier (Beyond top tier, power/interdimensional power on a block to city Level)

Thor

Hulk

Ghost Rider

Hulk Buster Iron Man

Abomination

Doctor Strange

Malekith (W/ reality gem)

Ancient One

Vision

The Destroyer Armor

Giant Man

Kaecilius


Top Tier (Street to block level)

Aldrich Killian

Drax the Destroyer

Ronan

Loki

Iron Monger

Iron Man

Scarlet Witch

Whiplash

War Machine

Quake

Malekith

Valkyrie

Heimdall

Sif

Hogun

Fandral

Volstagg

Korath The Pursuer

Groot

Killgrave

Yondu

Lash

Hive

Frigga

Pepper Potts with Extremis

Mantis

Skurge

Korg

Baron Mordo

Master Wong


Superhuman Tier (Street Level)

Captain America

Gamora

Spiderman

Black Panther

Winter Soldier

Vulture

Red Skull

Crossbones

Falcon

Quicksilver

Starlord

Iron Fist

Luke Cage

Jessica Jones

Eric Savin (Extremis Soldier)

Ellen Brandt (Extremis Soldier)

Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)

Madame Gao

Mr. Hyde

Slingshot

Aida

Raina

Deathlok

The Patriot

Carl Creed the Absorbing Man

Lorelei

Nebula

Miek

Ant Man

Yellow Jacket


Street Tier (non super human, agent level)

Daredevil

Black Widow

Elektra

Hawkeye

Punisher

Coleen Wing

Batroc the Leaper

Rocket Racoon

Shocker

Kingpin

Nobu

Diamondback

Bakuto

Peggy Carter

Sharon Carter Agent 13

Dum Dum Dugan

Mocking Bird

Maria Hill

Misty Knight

The Punisher

Nick Fury

Phil Coulson

Zemo
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[Batmannerism]

Man, this is tough.

Given that Hela has taken direct blows from Thor and his biggest baddest lightning bolt (during his final Immigrant Song power-up in Ragnarok) with little effect, she's more durable than Thor. As such, she could probably stand up to his strength, although I think he might actually be powerful enough to injure her. As for his burning touch, she could probably survive that as she was much, much, much tougher than any other Asgardian we've seen so far.

However, Kurse could certainly sustain multiple hits from her necroswords and keep fighting. We know Hela has access to other magic - although we didn't see too many power feats based on the movie.

Both of these two overpowered Thor easily, and were relatively unaffected by Mjolnir.

I think this one could almost be a stalemate. However, if the fight took place on Asgard, the source of Hela's power, I suspect eventually she would overpower Kurse. If the fight took place on Svartalfheim, Kurse might actually prevail.

To be honest, Hela is one of the few characters below the cosmic tier who could give Kurse a fight - Kurse would tear Ultron to pieces, as would Hela.


I'm going with Hela, but only because of her power feat with Mjolnir - crushing it with one hand, whereas Kurse had to swat it away. Also, Hela might be able to summon assistance (Fenris, zombie asgardian warriors or other minions).

I suspect it would be a very long drawn out fight, with both of them injuring each other, and then recovering during any break, and then re-engaging. This one might actually go the distance until Kurse's power burnt out.

So Hela, but it would be an absolutely epic confrontation, and probably the closest fight we've had so far. Whatever planet they were on would be in ruins by the time it was all over.

Both transcendant tier easily.

 

[HammerDown]

Kurse was a beast but i choose Hela. Hela went against a Beast Mode Thor and was still managing to soak everything Thor was giving to her... Kurse fight against Thor was when he was indeed more dependent on mjolnir an so we didn't had the chance of seeing the outcome of a Beast Mode Thor vs Kurse. I reckon it would be a tighter fight in those conditions.

Also Hela is more well rounded than Kurse, can strike hard and with accuracy from a distance... Kurse is a tank with immense strength. It would be a drawn out fight but i think Hela would eventually come out on top.

 

[BigThor]

Lol what the.......

 

[Thör-El]

Hela should take this. She fought a more powerful version of Thor (plus Valkyrie) and still had the upper hand thanks to ridiculous skill/durability. She was hit by lightning blasts that destroyed the palace/rainbow bridge and kept coming back unscathed and I'm not even sure whether Surtur killed her or not. She also broke Mjolnir whereas Kurse just managed to hit it away.

Respect where it's due Kurse gave Thor a brutal beatdown. It was a weaker Thor though and he tried to match Kurse strength for strength rather than using skill/lightning. I can't see Hela making that mistake and since Loki managed to stab Kurse with a spear I imagine Hela's infinite swords are going to put Kurse down eventually.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Kurse is probably physically stronger than Hela but even Thor could tank quite a bit from Kurse so Hela could probably tank a lot more and her blades would eventually cut Kurse to shreds

Hela 9/10

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Really really tough choice. I think Hela will win the poll due to popularity, but this is a very close fight to call for me.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Hela wins this since the only thing that did her in was Surtur getting unleashed by Thor. Kurse, meanwhile, was taken out by one of the Dark Elves' grenades.

 

[NesOut]

Man, this is tough.

Given that Hela has taken direct blows from Thor and his biggest baddest lightning bolt (during his final Immigrant Song power-up in Ragnarok) with little effect, she's more durable than Thor. As such, she could probably stand up to his strength, although I think he might actually be powerful enough to injure her. As for his burning touch, she could probably survive that as she was much, much, much tougher than any other Asgardian we've seen so far.

However, Kurse could certainly sustain multiple hits from her necroswords and keep fighting. We know Hela has access to other magic - although we didn't see too many power feats based on the movie.

Both of these two overpowered Thor easily, and were relatively unaffected by Mjolnir.

I think this one could almost be a stalemate. However, if the fight took place on Asgard, the source of Hela's power, I suspect eventually she would overpower Kurse. If the fight took place on Svartalfheim, Kurse might actually prevail.

To be honest, Hela is one of the few characters below the cosmic tier who could give Kurse a fight - Kurse would tear Ultron to pieces, as would Hela.


I'm going with Hela, but only because of her power feat with Mjolnir - crushing it with one hand, whereas Kurse had to swat it away. Also, Hela might be able to summon assistance (Fenris, zombie asgardian warriors or other minions).

I suspect it would be a very long drawn out fight, with both of them injuring each other, and then recovering during any break, and then re-engaging. This one might actually go the distance until Kurse's power burnt out.

So Hela, but it would be an absolutely epic confrontation, and probably the closest fight we've had so far. Whatever planet they were on would be in ruins by the time it was all over.

Both transcendant tier easily.

"Given that Hela has taken direct blows from Thor and his biggest baddest lightning bolt with little effect"

With little effect? She was knocked unconscious for like 2 minutes, if it was not obvious enough in the movie, the script confirms: https://prnt.sc/i6v2ei

Her healing factor was insane, just coz that Thor didn't let any permanent damage.

 

[NesOut]

And Hela wins 10/10.

She was holding back against Thor in the palace fight, but even if we assume she was using all her physical strength, she would still be far closer to Kurse's strength than Thor was.

Kurse could be stronger, but what he can do? In Asgard Hela had a insane durability and healing factor, he can't hurt he, but Hela would cut him to pieces.

 

[Surfer]

Hela for sure would win this fight. Kurse was impailed by Loki and while it didn't kill him, Hela is capable of creating an a unimaginable amount of sharp weapons in which to impail Kurse. She is also the more skilled fighter. The only thing Kurse has is brute strength.

Surfer

 

[metaphysician]

Hela. Kurse is strong, but he's just plain outmatched. Note that, in the final confrontation, Hela had at least some noticeable effect on *Surtur*, vis a vis impaling him through the chest with building sized spikes.

 

[Batmannerism]

"Given that Hela has taken direct blows from Thor and his biggest baddest lightning bolt with little effect"

With little effect? She was knocked unconscious for like 2 minutes, if it was not obvious enough in the movie, the script confirms: https://prnt.sc/i6v2ei

Her healing factor was insane, just coz that Thor didn't let any permanent damage.

If we're going to go to the script, after landing on the Bifrost ( after the aforementioned lightning blast) Thor says:

" I just hit her with the biggest blast if lightning in the history of lightning. It did nothing."


Straight from the horse's mouth. And probably the reason Thor got his ass out of there asap, rather than stick around to take another shot at big Sis.

So, yeah, little effect.

 

[BigThor]

Hela has the advantage in EVERY single area except strength and their durability is about even.

 

[Batmannerism]

Hela has the advantage in EVERY single area except strength and their durability is about even.

Raw Strength might go to Kurse, but Hela is far more skilled. I think she's turn Kurse into a pin cushion ( which is what we see a group of Asgardian warriors do I the prologue to Thor TDW).

It would be an absolutely epic clash, but in the end I see Hela victorious.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Kurse was powerful, but I don't even see the bomb used to kill him as doing much to Hela. Hela will win this. Same tier, but Hela is the higher end of it.

 

[BigThor]

Raw Strength might go to Kurse, but Hela is far more skilled. I think she's turn Kurse into a pin cushion ( which is what we see a group of Asgardian warriors do I the prologue to Thor TDW).

It would be an absolutely epic clash, but in the end I see Hela victorious.

I said she had the advantage in every other area, that includes skill.

Kurse was powerful, but I don't even see the bomb used to kill him as doing much to Hela. Hela will win this. Same tier, but Hela is the higher end of it.

It was a blackhole grenade, that sucks you into aini blackhole how could Hela possibly resist that?

 

[NesOut]

If we're going to go to the script, after landing on the Bifrost ( after the aforementioned lightning blast) Thor says:

" I just hit her with the biggest blast if lightning in the history of lightning. It did nothing."


Straight from the horse's mouth. And probably the reason Thor got his ass out of there asap, rather than stick around to take another shot at big Sis.

So, yeah, little effect.

Did you read what I said? Did you know Hela has a H-E-A-L-I-N-G F-A-C-T-O-R? Thor couldn't do a PERMANENT DAMAGE because Hela's healing factor, so at the long run, did nothing.

That doesn't change the fact that Thor knocked her unconscious for 2 minutes, if at the time Kurse could do that amount of damage ( what he can't ) he would knock her unconscious too.

Thor didn't try again because:

1- They had to kill her or she would hunt them down;
2- Hela was stronger, she was growing stronger by every second, Thor said himself, the script too "Thor is more powerful now, but Hela became stronger as well".

 

[jolldan]

Got to go with Hela.

Her superior skill in battle and choice of stabbing weapons sounds like a perfect foil for Kurse to me.

 

[ernesth100]

Why is this even a match. Hela would destroy Kurse. Especially if the fight was in Asgard.

 

[BigThor]

Why is this even a match. Hela would destroy Kurse. Especially if the fight was in Asgard.

I think people forget the beatdown Kurse put on Thor.

 

[DrCosmic]

I'm giving it to Hela. She stomped Thor just a wee bit harder, imho, and her 'defeat' was only to a much much empowered Thor. I don't know that she would have shrugged off the black hole grenade, that seemed pretty frikkin broken, but her destroying Mjolnir is huge. All Kurse did was bat it away.

 

[BigThor]

I'm giving it to Hela. She stomped Thor just a wee bit harder, imho, and her 'defeat' was only to a much much empowered Thor. I don't know that she would have shrugged off the black hole grenade, that seemed pretty frikkin broken, but her destroying Mjolnir is huge. All Kurse did was bat it away.

Lol no way, Kurse vs Thor was far more one sided than Hela vs Thor I can't believe people are saying this.

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[jaqua99]

If we're going to go to the script, after landing on the Bifrost ( after the aforementioned lightning blast) Thor says:

" I just hit her with the biggest blast if lightning in the history of lightning. It did nothing."


Straight from the horse's mouth. And probably the reason Thor got his ass out of there asap, rather than stick around to take another shot at big Sis.

So, yeah, little effect.

Well script says she was unconscious. She just recovered insany quick to that it did no lasting effect.

 

[Fosterson]

Hela wins, but I think its closer than people are making it out to be. Kurse definitely has the strength and striking advantages, with Hela trumping him in speed, skill, durability and the deadliness of her blades.

I also think people are putting too much behind Hela crushing Mjolnir. While that was definitely impressive, we can't know how much of that was due to brute strength and how much was due to her being able to lift the hammer (she was its original owner, after all). Whereas Kurse straight up overpowered the worthiness enchantment and made Thor look like a "minimum wage mall cop".

Once again, Hela triumphs, but Kurse makes her work for it.