Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[Raiders]

Here’s how a lot of FF and X-Men fans are reacting to the possibility that a Iron Heart movie will be announced instead of the properties they actually care about.

Nope. I’m an X-Men fan

 

[Abudefduf]

Now that I think of it, how do we know the alleged Iron Heart project isn't a Disney+ series? Let's not jump to conclusions. Heck, even Young Avengers could be a series. Not Dark Avengers though, that's a property that would work better as a movie.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Here’s how a lot of FF and X-Men fans are reacting to the possibility that a Iron Heart movie will be announced instead of the properties they actually care about.

Kevin Feige seeing fans still expecting that movies with the Fox properties are going to be announced at SDCC instead of the movies they were planning to move onto well before they ever got the rights back.

We'll getting The Eternals and Shang Chi before Nova. This has never been about who any fan wants to see, but about what stories they want to tell. They aren't going to sacrifice their system because some people online are impatient to see the third reboot of the Fox properties. I for one am a huge X-Man fan who is VERY excited by the prospect of an Ironheart movie.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

You can disagree with you, I don’t care. But you need to stop the personal insults. That’s my point.

P.S. English is not my first language, so don’t discriminate.

Uh huh...

There's no "insult" you don't earn by continually doing things like projecting a narrative onto Feige's comments that again are your projections untethered from reality.

Also, take note... If you claim to NOT have proficiency in English, how are you so assured in your reading into what Feige says in the first place?

No... You've been trolling from the start cuz you get off on the attention and ineptly stirring the pot.

The comment about your lack of command of language was not discrimination, it's pointing out how it is nearly impossible even for someone with a terrible grasp of written English to come to the silly conclusions you came to. And that's because your opinion on the matter isn't based in any logic or rational thought. It's based on you wanting to troll with outrageous silliness. Which is what you've consistently done since you showed up.

 

[Raiders]

Uh huh...

There's no "insult" you don't earn by continually doing things like projecting a narrative onto Feige's comments that again are your projections untethered from reality.

Also, take note... If you claim to NOT have proficiency in English, how are you so assured in your reading into what Feige says in the first place?

No... You've been trolling from the start cuz you get off on the attention and ineptly stirring the pot.

The comment about your lack of command of language was not discrimination, it's pointing out how it is nearly impossible even for someone with a terrible grasp of written English to come to the silly conclusions you came to. And that's because your opinion on the matter isn't based in any logic or rational thought. It's based on you wanting to troll with outrageous silliness. Which is what you've consistently done since you showed up.

You are trolling me. I gave my opinion on Feige comments, but instead of you disagreeing and saying why you disagree, you insult me about the English language. That’s trolling.

 

[psylockolussus]

If they start retreading legacy characters with knockoffs I will quickly bow out of the MCU. I have no desire to see that. They need to let other original, maybe lesser known heroes shine like they did with GOTG.

Yeah give me Moon Knight, Nova, Black Knight instead of Iron Heart, Ms. Marvel, Miles Morales, Spider-Gwen and X-23.

 

[Bayne]

If they start retreading legacy characters with knockoffs I will quickly bow out of the MCU. I have no desire to see that. They need to let other original, maybe lesser known heroes shine like they did with GOTG.

The legacy characters are lesser known heroes, and several of them are more original than the GotG.

Also, what exactly is supposed to be the appeal of famous characters bowing out and NOT leaving any legacy behind? I've never understood the hate of legacy characters. They're exactly what should happen in a superhero world. Batman would be a lot less interesting if he didn't have Robin to follow him.

 

[Kuwolski]

Ms. Marvel and Iron Heart don't interest me in the least, but I would certainly keep an open mind. And even if they don't sell me on the films I'm under no illusions they won't have a chance to be big hits. We're getting to the point in the MCU where more of the fandom will be less interested initially for films because a lot of the big guns are gone or at the end of their cycle.

I have zero worries about Sony, but some people like to make worry a sport, so there is that. In some ways it's the beginning of the MCU again, where things don't feel like (and people eventually assumed) sure things. The greater unknown is refreshing.

 

[Flash525]

If they go the route of Legacy Characters (short of on the Disney channel) then sorry, but I'm out. I'm very much with those of you here that want more originality. We've had Ironman, we've had (and still have) Spider-Man and Captain Marvel. I'm all for Spider-Gwen and Miles, and even Ms. Marvel, but within the Spider-Man and Captain Marvel films, rather than their own titles.

I don't want to be watching people with the same powers just do something a little different. There's far too many Marvel characters out there, so lets pick some of those that haven't been touched on yet and save the Legacy characters for when we really do start running short on ideas (and by that point, we probably wont care so much anyway).

 

[psylockolussus]

Well Marvel can't do a she hulk movie probably because of Universal, while a Spider-Woman is probably tied with Sony. So I guess Iron Heart would be mcu's answer for their first legacy hero movie as Hank Pym didnt have his own film before Scott Lang headlined his Ant-Man movie.

 

[Kuwolski]

If they go the route of Legacy Characters (short of on the Disney channel) then sorry, but I'm out. I'm very much with those of you here that want more originality. We've had Ironman, we've had (and still have) Spider-Man and Captain Marvel. I'm all for Spider-Gwen and Miles, and even Ms. Marvel, but within the Spider-Man and Captain Marvel films, rather than their own titles.

I don't want to be watching people with the same powers just do something a little different. There's far too many Marvel characters out there, so lets pick some of those that haven't been touched on yet and save the Legacy characters for when we really do start running short on ideas (and by that point, we probably wont care so much anyway).

At the same time we've had twenty years of X-Men films whose characters and powersets we'll see again in the MCU. They'll be different enough and exist in the MCU, but in many respects we'll have seen it all before. In that way they'll be measured by the legacy of the Fox universe, however good, bad or indifferent it was.

I'm not arguing for legacy characters, I'm sure we'll get some (but certainly not a steady diet), it's just a matter of how you look at it.

 

[Bayne]

The 'I don't want to see the same powers' argument is the weirdest argument ever. Leaving aside the fact that there are no 'original' superpowers left and haven't been for decades, as well as the fact that the character (at least imo) is easily as important as the powers, how exactly is Nova more 'original' when compared to Captain Marvel than Kamala Khan? How exactly are Moon Knight and Shang-chi (punch punch, kick kick) more original compared to Captain America, Black Panther, Winter Soldier, Black Widow, etc, etc, than Miles Morales or Riri Williams?

As far as I can tell, it's not the powers that people really care about, it's just the uniforms. Which is just such a bizarre thing to count as a disqualifying trait.

 

[Kuwolski]

The character is even more important then the powers, because if the character is uninteresting the rest is just window dressing and the fireworks fizzle out quick. You could make the argument these legacy characters are more distinct from the originals then the MCU X-Men will be from their Fox versions. I know (and expect) there will be some drastic changes regarding the mutants (personality, more dynamic powers, etc.), but still a lot of familiarity. If that doesn't stop people from seeing the MCU X-Men for this reason then you can't hold it against legacy characters either. Good characters and story prevails over similarities.

 

[Mad Ones]

While I do feel like the Iron Man side of the MCU needs to take a break for a bit, Eve Ewing is absolutely killing it in Ironheart's solo comic so she is definitely a character I'd love to see someday. Ms. Marvel is the legacy character I'm most anticipating but the timing seems all wrong since Captain Marvel was set in the 90s (not to mention the Inhumans stuff).

Marvel might have to decide if they want to go the Young Avengers route, the Champions route, or combine elements and characters of the two for a teen superhero/legacy spinoff movie.

 

[JtheDreamer]

The legacy characters are lesser known heroes, and several of them are more original than the GotG.

Also, what exactly is supposed to be the appeal of famous characters bowing out and NOT leaving any legacy behind? I've never understood the hate of legacy characters. They're exactly what should happen in a superhero world. Batman would be a lot less interesting if he didn't have Robin to follow him.

Where is it written that famous characters are required to bestow their likeness to another? If anything they should inspire others to become their own hero, not copycat one.

The only reason it happens in comic books is because of the type of medium that it is. They've spawned thousands upon thousands of comics and they run out of the things to write about. The She-Hulks, Spider-Gwens, etc etc of the world are lazy and uninspired. Luckily film doesn't have that same problem.

 

[Mad Ones]

Where is it written that famous characters are required to bestow their likeness to another? If anything they should inspire others to become their own hero, not copycat one.

The only reason it happens in comic books is because of the type of medium that it is. They've spawned thousands upon thousands of comics and they run out of the things to writer about. The She-Hulks, Spider-Gwens, etc etc of the world are lazy and uninspired. Luckily film doesn't have that same problem.

The Spider-Gwens and She-Hulks have a lot of fans so they have an appeal you are completely dismissing. The movies can only ever scratch the surface and I’m glad comics have room and time to play around.

 

[Bayne]

Where is it written that famous characters are required to bestow their likeness to another? If anything they should inspire others to become their own hero, not copycat one.

The only reason it happens in comic books is because of the type of medium that it is. They've spawned thousands upon thousands of comics and they run out of the things to writer about. The She-Hulks, Spider-Gwens, etc etc of the world are lazy and uninspired. Luckily film doesn't have that same problem.

Where is it written that new heroes are required to come up with totally unrelated hero identities? There's nothing wrong with Kamala Khan being inspired by Captain Marvel and calling herself Ms. Marvel. And it doesn't stop other heroes from inventing unrelated identities. There's room for all different types of characters.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Where is it written that new heroes are required to come up with totally unrelated hero identities? There's nothing wrong with Kamala Khan being inspired by Captain Marvel and calling herself Ms. Marvel. And it doesn't stop other heroes from inventing unrelated identities. There's room for all different types of characters.

Again, we're talking about film which is limited by nature as far as introducing characters. You're not talking "inspired" you're talking blatant copycats. We've had a character like Iron Man for almost 12 years in the MCU. People like you are holding on too tightly. Learn to broaden your horizons with more original characters.

 

[JtheDreamer]

The Spider-Gwens and She-Hulks have a lot of fans so they have an appeal you are completely dismissing. The movies can only ever scratch the surface and I’m glad comics have room and time to play around.

I'm calling it like it is. The characters are lazy, uninspired, and cheap imitations trying to ride the coattails of an already established name. Takes little-to-no creative talent. I have far more respect for writers willing to put it on the line by creating an original character.

 

[Bayne]

Again, we're talking about film which is limited by nature as far as introducing characters. You're not talking "inspired" you're talking blatant copycats. We've had a character like Iron Man for almost 12 years in the MCU. People like you are holding on too tightly. Learn to broaden your horizons with more original characters.

I'm not holding on to anything. I don't even like Iron Man that much. Ironheart *is* an original character (who is imo way more interesting than Tony). The fact that she has an iron man tech suit makes her no more a 'copycat' than the fact that Nova flies through space and shoots light beams (sound familiar Captain Marvel?) or that Black Knight rides a flying horse and has a magic sword (hello Valkyrie) not to mention the Space Avengers, er, I mean, Guardians of the Galaxy. None of these characters are anywhere near as 'original' as you people seem to think (except the really old ones, most of which have either already been done or just aren't that popular, a few rights related exceptions notwithstanding). The only difference here is whether a character has a connection to another character or not, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that being the case for some characters.

Plus, the comment you replied to literally mentioned Kamala Khan. Her powers are completely different from Captain Marvel's, her background is unique and her costume is very specific to her. Claiming she's a 'blatant copycat' is just pathetically wrong by any measure.

 

[Bach]

I think legacy characters have no place in the MCU, and if they're actually going to do that with Iron Man there's no way it isn't going to backfire in a spectacular way. They even said it in the latest Spider-Man film.

Spoiler

Nobody can compare to Tony.

I don't see it any other way unless the movie is a 9/10 or higher. And considering that no other films outside those directed by the Russo Bros. and James Gunn are of that quality I don't see that happening at all.

 

[Abudefduf]

You guys can say what you want but the truth is, some legacy characters are quite popular and Feige would be a fool to ignore their potential.

 

[Kuwolski]

I think legacy characters have no place in the MCU, and if they're actually going to do that with Iron Man there's no way it isn't going to backfire in a spectacular way. They even said it in the latest Spider-Man film.

Spoiler

Nobody can compare to Tony.

I don't see it any other way unless the movie is a 9/10 or higher. And considering that no other films outside those directed by the Russo Bros. and James Gunn are of that quality I don't see that happening at all.

Merely a glorified opinion.

 

[JtheDreamer]

I'm not holding on to anything. I don't even like Iron Man that much. Ironheart *is* an original character (who is imo way more interesting than Tony). The fact that she has an iron man tech suit makes her no more a 'copycat' than the fact that Nova flies through space and shoots light beams (sound familiar Captain Marvel?) or that Black Knight rides a flying horse and has a magic sword (hello Valkyrie) not to mention the Space Avengers, er, I mean, Guardians of the Galaxy.

It does. Tony will forever be associated with the Iron Man suit. Someone wearing it or an amalgam of it is treading on his identity and the very the one he proclaimed "I am Iron Man."

 

[Bach]

Merely a glorified opinion.

I can't believe how salty some people can get over something so stupid.

If you don't have anything to contribute then don't reply to me at all.