MCU Power Tiers

[BigThor]

Agree on all that but dude, you ignored Strange - after IW he's got to move up, given that he

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takes on Thanos one on one and does better than anyone but Thor , better even than Tony, and that's without relying on the time stone

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Ebony Maw is definitely top powerhouse or low transcendent, given that he own Strange, and no one else comes even near him. I would put him close to the same level as Scarlet Witch.

Thanos with the gauntlet tops all tiers - and could probably take out Dormammu.

Strange was already Powerhouse tier, I don't think he's quite Transcendent without

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the Time Stone

but he's definitely the top of Powerhouse even above Scarlett.

 

[Thör-El]

Thor is now firmly Transcendent tier

Scarlett Witch is upper Powerhouse tier

Iron Man is now Powerhouse tier

Proxima Midnight is Street Level tier

Corvus Glaive is Top Tier

Cull Obsidian is Powerhouse tier

Ebony Maw is at the top of Powerhouse or lower Transcendent tier

Thanos is upper Transcendent tier

Thanos with The Gaunlet is Cosmic Tier

Well, those are all the changes to the tier list, everyone else stays the same.

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#1) The Thanos that beat Hulk and Thor at the start of the film already had the power gem, didn't he? I'm sure he'd have had a good chance of doing the same thing without it but base Thanos is still featless.

#2) Thor got ridiculous feats in this film. Without Stormbreaker he survived power gem burns to the face and lasted a couple of minutes with the full force of a neutron star. With Stormbreaker he borderline solo'd Thanos army, powered through a blast from the completed Infinity Gauntlet and nearly one shotted Thanos himself. I'd say he's above Hela/Ronan/Kurse and a serious threat to half the cosmic tier now.
For battle purposes, it seems worth having Thor with Mjolnir and Stormbreaker Thor as different versions of the character like you've done with Surtur and Dr Strange (the depowered street level Thor from his first film might be fun too).

 

[Spider-Fan]

Spoiler tags guys. If you don't do it from now on, I have to infract you. Be courteous

 

[Batmannerism]

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#1) The Thanos that beat Hulk and Thor at the start of the film already had the power gem, didn't he? I'm sure he'd have had a good chance of doing the same thing without it but base Thanos is still featless.

#2) Thor got ridiculous feats in this film. Without Stormbreaker he survived power gem burns to the face and lasted a couple of minutes with the full force of a neutron star. With Stormbreaker he borderline solo'd Thanos army, powered through a blast from the completed Infinity Gauntlet and nearly one shotted Thanos himself. I'd say he's above Hela/Ronan/Kurse and a serious threat to half the cosmic tier now.
For battle purposes, it seems worth having Thor with Mjolnir and Stormbreaker Thor as different versions of the character like you've done with Surtur and Dr Strange (the depowered street level Thor from his first film might be fun too).

Stormbreaker Thor is

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a serious power up, even from Ragnarok Thor

Sadly, we'll probably never get to see Stormbreaker Thor vs Hela. As that would probably be a much more even fight, with Thor possilby coming out on top.

The

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attack on Thanos is a pretty outrageous moment though.
It really establishes Stormbreaker Thor as the MCU's Superman, clearly the most powerful hero - with that weapon.

I think we'll just have to accept Thanos with the power gem as baseline Thanos - kind of like Ronan with the power gem or Malekith with the reality gem.

On that note I think we can very safely say:

Stormbreaker Thor > Ronan with Power gem, by quite a bit.


On re-thinking things a bit, I think Tony has to move up quite high in the powerhouse tier. I take the point that

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Tony actually drew blood from Thanos, whereas Strange was more distraction than actual harm, but also Tony was just about killed during that fight. On that basis mabye Tony tops powerhouse, Strange and Cull Obsidian in second

As for Wanda

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she had the power to actually destroy an infinity stone, I think she has to be top powerhouse or low transcendant, as that's a massive feat

That also would seem to mean that Wanda > Ronan with power stone.

 

[BigThor]

Stormbreaker Thor is

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a serious power up, even from Ragnarok Thor

Sadly, we'll probably never get to see Stormbreaker Thor vs Hela. As that would probably be a much more even fight, with Thor possilby coming out on top.

The

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attack on Thanos is a pretty outrageous moment though.
It really establishes Stormbreaker Thor as the MCU's Superman, clearly the most powerful hero - with that weapon.

I think we'll just have to accept Thanos with the power gem as baseline Thanos - kind of like Ronan with the power gem or Malekith with the reality gem.

On that note I think we can very safely say:

Stormbreaker Thor > Ronan with Power gem, by quite a bit.


On re-thinking things a bit, I think Tony has to move up quite high in the powerhouse tier. I take the point that

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Tony actually drew blood from Thanos, whereas Strange was more distraction than actual harm, but also Tony was just about killed during that fight. On that basis mabye Tony tops powerhouse, Strange and Cull Obsidian in second

As for Wanda

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she had the power to actually destroy an infinity stone, I think she has to be top powerhouse or low transcendant, as that's a massive feat

That also would seem to mean that Wanda > Ronan with power stone.

Stormbreaker Thor

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should be the highest character on the Transcendent list, he's above base level Thanos, Ronan with the Power stone, and Hela. Also Thanos did actually use the Power stones power against Hulk, in this film it was showm when the stones were being used they glowed and gave off energy signatures they weren't constantly active.

Yep, I told you Tony was more impressive to me

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against Thanos than Strange was, he actually landed good hits while Strange was just countering and defending. But I still think Strange is more powerful since Iron Man doesn't really have an answer for anything Strange can do. So I'd still rank Strange slightly higher than Stark and I'd rank Stark and Wanda about the same. Also Thanos didn't use the Stones against Stark, he beat him purely using his physical stats while he actively used the stones against Strange.

For the Wanda thing,

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Vision explained that she wad able to perform that feat because her power comes are connected to the Mind stone.

She didn't do it just because she was powerful, it was more like a key unlocking a door her powers were the right fight. So no she's not above Ronan as she doesn't have a connection to the Power stone like she does the Mind stone.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Whatever tier Iron Man was on, he's definitely a tier above now with the MK. 50 armor.

He stood up to Thanos better than any other hero out there, except of course for Thor.

He too is on another level, if he wasn't already.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Yep, I told you Tony was more impressive to me

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against Thanos than Strange was, he actually landed good hits while Strange was just countering and defending. But I still think Strange is more powerful since Iron Man doesn't really have an answer for anything Strange can do. So I'd still rank Strange slightly higher than Stark and I'd rank Stark and Wanda about the same. Also Thanos didn't use the Stones against Stark, he beat him purely using his physical stats while he actively used the stones against Strange.

Your last sentence...

Didn't Thanos

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blast Iron Man with the purple power blast and Iron Man stop it with his shield?

Iron Man took huge hits from Thanos and have some back. His feats were very impressive.

 

[BigThor]

Your last sentence...

Didn't Thanos

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blast Iron Man with the purple power blast and Iron Man stop it with his shield?

Iron Man took huge hits from Thanos and have some back. His feats were very impressive.

Oh yeah true I forgot about that,

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it did destroy Iron Man's shield though. But besides that it was mostly a physical fight, where as The Doctor Strange fight was almost completely Infinity stone powers.

But yeah I definitely think Iron Man and Thor move up a tier, I think I already said that though.

 

[Batmannerism]

Stormbreaker Thor

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should be the highest character on the Transcendent list, he's above base level Thanos, Ronan with the Power stone, and Hela. Also Thanos did actually use the Power stones power against Hulk, in this film it was showm when the stones were being used they glowed and gave off energy signatures they weren't constantly active.

Yep, I told you Tony was more impressive to me

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against Thanos than Strange was, he actually landed good hits while Strange was just countering and defending. But I still think Strange is more powerful since Iron Man doesn't really have an answer for anything Strange can do. So I'd still rank Strange slightly higher than Stark and I'd rank Stark and Wanda about the same. Also Thanos didn't use the Stones against Stark, he beat him purely using his physical stats while he actively used the stones against Strange.

For the Wanda thing,

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Vision explained that she wad able to perform that feat because her power comes are connected to the Mind stone.

She didn't do it just because she was powerful, it was more like a key unlocking a door her powers were the right fight. So no she's not above Ronan as she doesn't have a connection to the Power stone like she does the Mind stone.

Sorry, forgot spoiler tags

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Are you sure about the Wanda thing ? I'll look out for that when I see thr film again.

It's difficult to rate baseline Thanos - the power stone made Ronan almost indestructible, so its reasonable to assume it also enhanced Thanos - I didnt see it doing anything special during the Hulk beatdown ( Thanos doesnt use its power to disintegrate matter) and Thanos absolutely destroys Hulk, it was so much more one sided than Thor v Hulk in Ragnarok, Hulk is completely KO'd after that.

Clearly Thor without Stormbreaker is below Thanos with the power stone. Unfortunately we dont get to see much of Stormbreaker Thor vs Thanos with all 6 stones - but the fact that he could seriously wound Thanos, even with all 6, says a lot about how powerful the weapon is ( although it was created specifically to kill Thanos).

Until we see the next film Thor is pretty safe at the top of transcendent - especially if he can use Stormbreaker to channel Bifrost energy. I think Heimdall had to use the Bifrost sword to do that, and Thor needed the ship to get to the space forge- which suggests its something he needs Stormbreaker to do.

I wouldn't put Hela too far down from that though - she crushed Mjolnir effortlessly, and it was made by the same dwarves who made Stormbreaker, could she do the same thing to the new hammer ? Guess we'll never know.
Also we know that Hela's blades can seriosuly injure him.

Thor's durability is certainly much greater than weve previously seen - as he survives in a vaccuum for half an hour at least before GOTG show up - everyone else weve seen go into space unprotected has frozen to death or nearly frozen to death in seconds.

 

[jaqua99]

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#1) The Thanos that beat Hulk and Thor at the start of the film already had the power gem, didn't he? I'm sure he'd have had a good chance of doing the same thing without it but base Thanos is still featless.

#2) Thor got ridiculous feats in this film. Without Stormbreaker he survived power gem burns to the face and lasted a couple of minutes with the full force of a neutron star. With Stormbreaker he borderline solo'd Thanos army, powered through a blast from the completed Infinity Gauntlet and nearly one shotted Thanos himself. I'd say he's above Hela/Ronan/Kurse and a serious threat to half the cosmic tier now.
For battle purposes, it seems worth having Thor with Mjolnir and Stormbreaker Thor as different versions of the character like you've done with Surtur and Dr Strange (the depowered street level Thor from his first film might be fun too).

Stormbreaker Thor is

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a serious power up, even from Ragnarok Thor

Sadly, we'll probably never get to see Stormbreaker Thor vs Hela. As that would probably be a much more even fight, with Thor possilby coming out on top.

The

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attack on Thanos is a pretty outrageous moment though.
It really establishes Stormbreaker Thor as the MCU's Superman, clearly the most powerful hero - with that weapon.

I think we'll just have to accept Thanos with the power gem as baseline Thanos - kind of like Ronan with the power gem or Malekith with the reality gem.

On that note I think we can very safely say:

Stormbreaker Thor > Ronan with Power gem, by quite a bit.


On re-thinking things a bit, I think Tony has to move up quite high in the powerhouse tier. I take the point that

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Tony actually drew blood from Thanos, whereas Strange was more distraction than actual harm, but also Tony was just about killed during that fight. On that basis mabye Tony tops powerhouse, Strange and Cull Obsidian in second

As for Wanda

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she had the power to actually destroy an infinity stone, I think she has to be top powerhouse or low transcendant, as that's a massive feat

That also would seem to mean that Wanda > Ronan with power stone.

You guys, there is a baseline Thanos.

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He didn't use the power gem when he destroyed Hulk. That was baseline Thanos

Also. We cant change tiers. We have to battle them into other tiers

 

[jaqua99]

Stormbreaker Thor is

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a serious power up, even from Ragnarok Thor

Sadly, we'll probably never get to see Stormbreaker Thor vs Hela. As that would probably be a much more even fight, with Thor possilby coming out on top.

The

Spoiler

attack on Thanos is a pretty outrageous moment though.
It really establishes Stormbreaker Thor as the MCU's Superman, clearly the most powerful hero - with that weapon.

I think we'll just have to accept Thanos with the power gem as baseline Thanos - kind of like Ronan with the power gem or Malekith with the reality gem.

On that note I think we can very safely say:

Stormbreaker Thor > Ronan with Power gem, by quite a bit.


On re-thinking things a bit, I think Tony has to move up quite high in the powerhouse tier. I take the point that

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Tony actually drew blood from Thanos, whereas Strange was more distraction than actual harm, but also Tony was just about killed during that fight. On that basis mabye Tony tops powerhouse, Strange and Cull Obsidian in second

As for Wanda

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she had the power to actually destroy an infinity stone, I think she has to be top powerhouse or low transcendant, as that's a massive feat

That also would seem to mean that Wanda > Ronan with power stone.

Wanda is also a glass canon and can be one-shot by anyone as low as the top tier.

Durability can't be ignored. Wanda doesnt really belong near transcendent tier.

 

[Batmannerism]

Wanda is also a glass canon and can be one-shot by anyone as low as the top tier.

Durability can't be ignored. Wanda doesnt really belong near transcendent tier.

Disagree

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. Durability is overrated. Wanda held her own against the Black Order, who took out Vision really quickly. His durability didnt mean squat. Wanda also held off Thanos while destroying the mind gem, both she and Dr Strange did a hell of a lot better against the mad Titan than the Hulk - who's super duper durable, although it didnt help him much.

People have commented that Tony does better than anyone but Thor , when he takes on Thanos - because he draws blood. While that's true, that he manages to scrape Thanos, he also ends up worse off than anyone who takes on Thanos ( including the Hulk), he absolutely would have died, no question, but for Strange giving up the stone.

Thor combines crazy durability with awesome offensive power, which is why he's the top. Same with Hela and Thanos. Wanda's defensive powers are shown to be very strong in IW.

Also, the Russos never utilise Wanda's telepathy and mind control - which took out Thor, Cap, Widow and Hulk.

So, I strongly disagree with you there.

 

[hisham]

How is thanos compared to odin,surtur,hela?

 

[Batmannerism]

How is thanos compared to odin,surtur,hela?

IMO Thanos with the power stone could take Hela, although it would be a tough fight. Based on

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Stormbreaker being able to wound Thanos,Hela could probably severely injure him as they one shotted most asgardians and badly injured Thor.

It could go either way, but my money would be on Thanos.

I imagine that he could probably take Surtur Prime when he obtains the space and reality gems .

Odin? We never see him at full power, but with Thanos holding 3 stones I doubt Odin could overcome him.

 

[BigThor]

You guys, there is a baseline Thanos.

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He didn't use the power gem when he destroyed Hulk. That was baseline Thanos

Also. We cant change tiers. We have to battle them into other tiers

Technically we don't know if the Power Stone gave Ronan a stat boost, we didn't really see his durability tested before he got the stone. And he also didn't perform any strength feats with the stone that he didn't do without it (choking Drax and sending him flying).

I don't know where people get the idea that the Power Stone boosted Ronan's stats, there is ZERO evidence to suggest that.

 

[Thör-El]

This is what my personal tiers would look like now that I've seen Infinity War:

*characters I've added or moved higher because of Infinity War are in blue. No real spoilers but I'll put it in tags anyway.

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Cosmic Tier
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Dormammu
Ego the Living Planet

Transcendent Tier
Surtur Prime
Odin (he died almost featless so it’s always going to be hard to say but we’re told he beat Surtur half a billion years ago and even in old age he had the magic to depower Thor, keep Hela imprisoned and appear in visions after his death)
Stormbreaker Thor
Hela
Eson The Searcher (with the Power Stone – very hard to place, he’s a celestial but his only feat is using the power stone to do something it’s implied Ronan with the power stone was capable of)
Thanos (with the Power Stone)
Ragnarok Thor
Ronan (with the Power Stone)
Doctor Strange (with the Time Stone)
Celestial Star Lord
Kurse

Powerhouse Tier
Ultron Prime (Vibranium)
Thor with Mjolnir
Hulk
Doctor Strange
Scarlet Witch
Ebony Maw
Vision
Ancient One (by feats she’s lower but she’s probably capable of all or most of the magic Strange used in Infinity War)
Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur
Malekith (with the reality gem)
Ghost Rider
Thor (no hammer, no lightning)
Bleeding Edge Iron Man
Loki (with the Mind Gem Sceptre)
Hulkbuster Iron Man
Fenris
Abomination
Cull Obsidian
The Destroyer Armor

Top Tier
Iron Man (pre-Bleeding Edge)
Valkyrie
Loki
Kaecilius
Heimdall
Aldrich Killian (with extremis)
Giant Man
Whiplash
War Machine
Lash
Hive
Aida (with Darkhold/inhuman powers)
Ronan
Laufey
Gamora
Groot
Quake (highly skilled and offensively she’s a powerhouse but her durability’s human)
Mordo
Master Wong
Corvus Glaive
Quicksilver
Sif
Frigga

Upper Superhuman Tier
Captain America
Black Panther
Erik Killmonger
Malekith
Spider-Man (power wise, he’s top tier but for now he’s still a rookie)
Vulture
Proxima Midnight
Skurge
Korg
Nebula
Drax the Destroyer
Kilgrave (very hard to place, he could control half the characters on this list but even street levellers could one shot him)
Luke Cage

Lower Superhuman Tier
Star-Lord
Yondu
Winter Soldier
Iron Fist (he should be higher but he’s still a rookie at using his powers)
Carl Creed (Absorbing Man)
Starlord
Rocket Racoon
Wasp
Deathlok
Iron Monger
Lincoln
Calvin Zabo (Hyde serum)
Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)
Yellow Jacket
Crossbones (with his power suit)
Mantis (very hard to place, her durability’s low superhuman and her empathic power can restrain or knock out some ridiculously powerful characters, but she has to make physical contact to do that and two films in she hasn’t shown any other combat skills)
Red Skull
Falcon
Gordon
Jessica Jones
YoYo Rodriguez
Ant Man
The Patriot
Korath The Pursuer
Miek
Diamondback (with the Hammertech power suit)

Street level/agent Tier
Nobu
Daredevil
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Elektra
Okoye
Kingpin
Punisher
Shuri with Vibranium Gauntlets
Melinda May
Daisy Johnson (no Quake powers)
Grant Ward
Mockingbird
Nakia
Erik Killmonger (no powers)
Depowered T’Challa
M’Baku
Depowered Thor
Maria Hill
Sharon Carter
Agent 33
Alphonso “Mack” Mackenzie
Batroc the Leaper
Phil Coulson
Lance Hunter
Diamondback
Nick Fury
Peggy Carter
Will Simpson
General Talbot
Misty Knight
Zemo

 

[jaqua99]

Technically we don't know if the Power Stone gave Ronan a stat boost, we didn't really see his durability tested before he got the stone. And he also didn't perform any strength feats with the stone that he didn't do without it (choking Drax and sending him flying).

I don't know where people get the idea that the Power Stone boosted Ronan's stats, there is ZERO evidence to suggest that.

Doesnt that prove my point though?

Ronan got a body surge when he absorbed the stone. It went through his body. But we saw he tanked Drax's punches without budging, and trashed him like you said. Him tanking a gun that was said to destroy moons was interesting, but it was just a statement. Plus his durability was impressive. Drax is by no means a powerhouse but he is clearly a top tier strength level, probably valkerie level and Ronan no sold him and likely was a powerhouse tier strength and durability character.

So I concur

Also, there was no on screen evidence to suggest Thanos got a physical boost from any stone. What we did get, was the stones lit up when they were used. Thanos fight with Hulk is on youtube and I've watched it atleast 30 times lol.

Thanos clearly doesnt use the power stone there. So I'd say Thanos at baseline is the Thanos who beat up Hulk

 

[jaqua99]

This is what my personal tiers would look like now that I've seen Infinity War:

*characters I've added or moved higher because of Infinity War are in blue. No real spoilers but I'll put it in tags anyway.

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Cosmic Tier
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Dormammu
Ego the Living Planet

Transcendent Tier
Surtur Prime
Odin (he died almost featless so it’s always going to be hard to say but we’re told he beat Surtur half a billion years ago and even in old age he had the magic to depower Thor, keep Hela imprisoned and appear in visions after his death)
Stormbreaker Thor
Hela
Eson The Searcher (with the Power Stone – very hard to place, he’s a celestial but his only feat is using the power stone to do something it’s implied Ronan with the power stone was capable of)
Thanos (with the Power Stone)
Ragnarok Thor
Ronan (with the Power Stone)
Doctor Strange (with the Time Stone)
Celestial Star Lord
Kurse

Powerhouse Tier
Ultron Prime (Vibranium)
Thor with Mjolnir
Hulk
Doctor Strange
Scarlet Witch
Ebony Maw
Vision
Ancient One (by feats she’s lower but she’s probably capable of all or most of the magic Strange used in Infinity War)
Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur
Malekith (with the reality gem)
Ghost Rider
Thor (no hammer, no lightning)
Bleeding Edge Iron Man
Loki (with the Mind Gem Sceptre)
Hulkbuster Iron Man
Fenris
Abomination
Cull Obsidian
The Destroyer Armor

Top Tier
Iron Man (pre-Bleeding Edge)
Valkyrie
Loki
Kaecilius
Heimdall
Aldrich Killian (with extremis)
Giant Man
Whiplash
War Machine
Lash
Hive
Aida (with Darkhold/inhuman powers)
Ronan
Laufey
Gamora
Groot
Quake (highly skilled and offensively she’s a powerhouse but her durability’s human)
Mordo
Master Wong
Corvus Glaive
Quicksilver
Sif
Frigga

Upper Superhuman Tier
Captain America
Black Panther
Erik Killmonger
Malekith
Spider-Man (power wise, he’s top tier but for now he’s still a rookie)
Vulture
Proxima Midnight
Skurge
Korg
Nebula
Drax the Destroyer
Kilgrave (very hard to place, he could control half the characters on this list but even street levellers could one shot him)
Luke Cage

Lower Superhuman Tier
Star-Lord
Yondu
Winter Soldier
Iron Fist (he should be higher but he’s still a rookie at using his powers)
Carl Creed (Absorbing Man)
Starlord
Rocket Racoon
Wasp
Deathlok
Iron Monger
Lincoln
Calvin Zabo (Hyde serum)
Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)
Yellow Jacket
Crossbones (with his power suit)
Mantis (very hard to place, her durability’s low superhuman and her empathic power can restrain or knock out some ridiculously powerful characters, but she has to make physical contact to do that and two films in she hasn’t shown any other combat skills)
Red Skull
Falcon
Gordon
Jessica Jones
YoYo Rodriguez
Ant Man
The Patriot
Korath The Pursuer
Miek
Diamondback (with the Hammertech power suit)

Street level/agent Tier
Nobu
Daredevil
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Elektra
Okoye
Kingpin
Punisher
Shuri with Vibranium Gauntlets
Melinda May
Daisy Johnson (no Quake powers)
Grant Ward
Mockingbird
Nakia
Erik Killmonger (no powers)
Depowered T’Challa
M’Baku
Depowered Thor
Maria Hill
Sharon Carter
Agent 33
Alphonso “Mack” Mackenzie
Batroc the Leaper
Phil Coulson
Lance Hunter
Diamondback
Nick Fury
Peggy Carter
Will Simpson
General Talbot
Misty Knight
Zemo

Thanks for this. While I agree with some placements (Thanos baseline is Hulk Thanos imo), and the movement of some characters, we still need to battle them out of their old tiers and into the new tiers.

We can check in with Surfer though because some characters get blatant power boosts..to save time and also have new placements, perhaps we can have a character battle the weakest ranked character of the new tier.

Ex. Have Thor with Stormbreaker battle the lowest trans

Wanda battles the lowest powerhouse, etc.

 

[Thör-El]

Thanks for this. While I agree with some placements (Thanos baseline is Hulk Thanos imo), and the movement of some characters, we still need to battle them out of their old tiers and into the new tiers.

We can check in with Surfer though because some characters get blatant power boosts..to save time and also have new placements, perhaps we can have a character battle the weakest ranked character of the new tier.

Ex. Have Thor with Stormbreaker battle the lowest trans

Wanda battles the lowest powerhouse, etc.

Sounds good. It's a fun game deciding the rankings by battles but it'll take a lot of battles to get it anywhere near complete and even then I'll probably disagree in some cases so this one's for my personal opinions.

*characters I've added or moved higher because of Infinity War are in blue.
*characters I've given a very different rank to the battle based list are in red.
*characters that don't seem to be in the battle based list at the moment are in orange.

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Cosmic Tier
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Dormammu
Ego the Living Planet

-I set the bar a little higher on the cosmic tier. Surtur destroyed a planet with a sword and seemingly killed Hela which is incredible but I'd still think that puts him a tier below Thanos/Ego attacking the whole universe at once and Dormammu being a living dimension-

Transcendent Tier
Surtur Prime
Odin (he died almost featless so it’s always going to be hard to say but we’re told he beat Surtur half a billion years ago and even in old age he had the magic to depower Thor, keep Hela imprisoned and appear in visions after his death)
Stormbreaker Thor
Hela
Eson The Searcher (with the Power Stone – very hard to place, he’s a celestial but his only feat is using the power stone to destroy a planet which it’s implied Ronan with the same stone was also capable of and which Surtur did with his own power)
Thanos (with the Power Stone)
Ragnarok Thor
Ronan (with the Power Stone)
Doctor Strange (with the Time Stone)
Celestial Star Lord
Kurse

Powerhouse Tier
Ultron Prime (Vibranium)
Thor with Mjolnir
Hulk
Doctor Strange
Scarlet Witch
Ebony Maw
Vision
Ancient One (by feats she’s lower but she’s probably capable of all or most of the magic Strange used in Infinity War)
Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur
Malekith (with the reality gem)
Ghost Rider
Thor (no hammer, no lightning)
Bleeding Edge Iron Man
Loki (with the Mind Gem Sceptre)
Hulkbuster Iron Man
Fenris
Abomination
Cull Obsidian
The Destroyer Armor

Top Tier
Iron Man (pre-Bleeding Edge)
Valkyrie
Loki
Kaecilius
Heimdall
Aldrich Killian (with extremis)
Giant Man
Whiplash
War Machine
Lash
Hive
Aida (with Darkhold/inhuman powers)
Ronan (no power stone)
Laufey
Gamora
Groot
Quake (highly skilled and offensively she’s a powerhouse but her durability’s human)
Mordo
Master Wong
Corvus Glaive
Quicksilver
Sif
Frigga

Upper Superhuman Tier
Captain America
Black Panther
Erik Killmonger
Malekith (no reality stone)
Spider-Man (power wise, he’s top tier but for now he’s still a rookie)
Vulture
Proxima Midnight
Skurge
Korg
Nebula
Drax the Destroyer
Kilgrave (very hard to place, he could control half the characters on this list but even street levellers could one shot him)
Luke Cage

Lower Superhuman Tier
Star-Lord
Yondu
Winter Soldier
Iron Fist (he should be higher but he’s still a rookie at using his powers)
Carl Creed (Absorbing Man)
Starlord
Rocket
Sinara
Korath The Pursuer
Wasp
Deathlok
Iron Monger
Lincoln
Calvin Zabo (Hyde serum)
Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)
Yellow Jacket
Crossbones (with his power suit)
Mantis (very hard to place, her durability’s low superhuman and her empathic power can restrain or knock out some ridiculously powerful characters, but she has to make physical contact to do that and two films in she hasn’t shown any other combat skills)
Red Skull
Falcon
Gordon
Jessica Jones
YoYo Rodriguez
Ant Man
The Patriot
Shuri with Vibranium Gauntlets
Miek
Diamondback (with the Hammertech power suit)

Street level/agent Tier
Nobu
Daredevil
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Elektra
Okoye
Erik Killmonger (no powers)
Depowered T’Challa
Melinda May
Daisy Johnson (no Quake powers)
Grant Ward
Kingpin
Punisher
Mockingbird
Nakia
M’Baku
Depowered Thor
Maria Hill
Sharon Carter
Agent 33
Alphonso “Mack” Mackenzie
Batroc the Leaper
Phil Coulson
Lance Hunter
Diamondback
Nick Fury
Peggy Carter
Will Simpson
General Talbot
Misty Knight
Zemo

 

[Batmannerism]

Doesnt that prove my point though?

Ronan got a body surge when he absorbed the stone. It went through his body. But we saw he tanked Drax's punches without budging, and trashed him like you said. Him tanking a gun that was said to destroy moons was interesting, but it was just a statement. Plus his durability was impressive. Drax is by no means a powerhouse but he is clearly a top tier strength level, probably valkerie level and Ronan no sold him and likely was a powerhouse tier strength and durability character.

So I concur

Also, there was no on screen evidence to suggest Thanos got a physical boost from any stone. What we did get, was the stones lit up when they were used. Thanos fight with Hulk is on youtube and I've watched it atleast 30 times lol.

Thanos clearly doesnt use the power stone there. So I'd say Thanos at baseline is the Thanos who beat up Hulk

During the fight with Drax Ronan parries and evades Drax's attacks, until he grabs him by the throat. He's not budging because he's holding onto Drax. Also, at that point he doesn't lift Drax off the ground, until he slams him into the ground.

Compare with after Ronan gets the stone- his eyes glow purple, which suggests he has absorbed some of the stone's energy. This time he doesnt even move, just lets Drax charge him, and effortlessly lifts him off the ground - why didn't he do that in their first fight ?

I'll ask James Gunn next time I see him, but in the meantime, I think its reasonable to assume that the stone made Ronan tougher - Malekith was certainly tougher after absorbing the reality stone.

The Hadron enforcer blast burned a hole in Ronan's armour but he was otherwise unaffected - and he walks away from the spacecraft crash unharmed. All this is after obtaining the stone - in fact after that the only thing which is able to destroy him is the stone itself - I think that's a strong suggestion.

Korath, another kree, is nowhere near that tough, he gets knocked over and stunned by Quill's blasters, and then Drax kills him with his bare hands.

 

[jaqua99]

Sounds good. It's a fun game deciding the rankings by battles but it'll take a lot of battles to get it anywhere near complete and even then I'll probably disagree in some cases so this one's for my personal opinions.

*characters I've added or moved higher because of Infinity War are in blue.
*characters I've given a very different rank to the battle based list are in red.
*characters that don't seem to be in the battle based list at the moment are in orange.

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Cosmic Tier
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Dormammu
Ego the Living Planet

-I set the bar a little higher on the cosmic tier. Surtur destroyed a planet with a sword and seemingly killed Hela which is incredible but I'd still think that puts him a tier below Thanos/Ego attacking the whole universe at once and Dormammu being a living dimension-

Transcendent Tier
Surtur Prime
Odin (he died almost featless so it’s always going to be hard to say but we’re told he beat Surtur half a billion years ago and even in old age he had the magic to depower Thor, keep Hela imprisoned and appear in visions after his death)
Stormbreaker Thor
Hela
Eson The Searcher (with the Power Stone – very hard to place, he’s a celestial but his only feat is using the power stone to destroy a planet which it’s implied Ronan with the same stone was also capable of and which Surtur did with his own power)
Thanos (with the Power Stone)
Ragnarok Thor
Ronan (with the Power Stone)
Doctor Strange (with the Time Stone)
Celestial Star Lord
Kurse

Powerhouse Tier
Ultron Prime (Vibranium)
Thor with Mjolnir
Hulk
Doctor Strange
Scarlet Witch
Ebony Maw
Vision
Ancient One (by feats she’s lower but she’s probably capable of all or most of the magic Strange used in Infinity War)
Pre-Eternal Flame Surtur
Malekith (with the reality gem)
Ghost Rider
Thor (no hammer, no lightning)
Bleeding Edge Iron Man
Loki (with the Mind Gem Sceptre)
Hulkbuster Iron Man
Fenris
Abomination
Cull Obsidian
The Destroyer Armor

Top Tier
Iron Man (pre-Bleeding Edge)
Valkyrie
Loki
Kaecilius
Heimdall
Aldrich Killian (with extremis)
Giant Man
Whiplash
War Machine
Lash
Hive
Aida (with Darkhold/inhuman powers)
Ronan (no power stone)
Laufey
Gamora
Groot
Quake (highly skilled and offensively she’s a powerhouse but her durability’s human)
Mordo
Master Wong
Corvus Glaive
Quicksilver
Sif
Frigga

Upper Superhuman Tier
Captain America
Black Panther
Erik Killmonger
Malekith (no reality stone)
Spider-Man (power wise, he’s top tier but for now he’s still a rookie)
Vulture
Proxima Midnight
Skurge
Korg
Nebula
Drax the Destroyer
Kilgrave (very hard to place, he could control half the characters on this list but even street levellers could one shot him)
Luke Cage

Lower Superhuman Tier
Star-Lord
Yondu
Winter Soldier
Iron Fist (he should be higher but he’s still a rookie at using his powers)
Carl Creed (Absorbing Man)
Starlord
Rocket
Sinara
Korath The Pursuer
Wasp
Deathlok
Iron Monger
Lincoln
Calvin Zabo (Hyde serum)
Emil Blonsky (Super Soldier)
Yellow Jacket
Crossbones (with his power suit)
Mantis (very hard to place, her durability’s low superhuman and her empathic power can restrain or knock out some ridiculously powerful characters, but she has to make physical contact to do that and two films in she hasn’t shown any other combat skills)
Red Skull
Falcon
Gordon
Jessica Jones
YoYo Rodriguez
Ant Man
The Patriot
Shuri with Vibranium Gauntlets
Miek
Diamondback (with the Hammertech power suit)

Street level/agent Tier
Nobu
Daredevil
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Elektra
Okoye
Erik Killmonger (no powers)
Depowered T’Challa
Melinda May
Daisy Johnson (no Quake powers)
Grant Ward
Kingpin
Punisher
Mockingbird
Nakia
M’Baku
Depowered Thor
Maria Hill
Sharon Carter
Agent 33
Alphonso “Mack” Mackenzie
Batroc the Leaper
Phil Coulson
Lance Hunter
Diamondback
Nick Fury
Peggy Carter
Will Simpson
General Talbot
Misty Knight
Zemo

We created the tiers based on relative scaling, and how large a scale the characrer's powers effects, and their showings vs other characters.

Our cosmic tier is for characters who's powers are planetary level and above.

Given Surtur's showing against Hela, and his destruction of Asgard, he fits into our cosmic tier. Lower end, and probably the weakest.

 

[jaqua99]

During the fight with Drax Ronan parries and evades Drax's attacks, until he grabs him by the throat. He's not budging because he's holding onto Drax. Also, at that point he doesn't lift Drax off the ground, until he slams him into the ground.

Compare with after Ronan gets the stone- his eyes glow purple, which suggests he has absorbed some of the stone's energy. This time he doesnt even move, just lets Drax charge him, and effortlessly lifts him off the ground - why didn't he do that in their first fight ?

I'll ask James Gunn next time I see him, but in the meantime, I think its reasonable to assume that the stone made Ronan tougher - Malekith was certainly tougher after absorbing the reality stone.

The Hadron enforcer blast burned a hole in Ronan's armour but he was otherwise unaffected - and he walks away from the spacecraft crash unharmed. All this is after obtaining the stone - in fact after that the only thing which is able to destroy him is the stone itself - I think that's a strong suggestion.

Korath, another kree, is nowhere near that tough, he gets knocked over and stunned by Quill's blasters, and then Drax kills him with his bare hands.

In their first fighr Drax was indeed punching him. Ronan no sold those. He also casually punched Drax about 30+ feet. So Ronan's strength is definitely power house.

And again, there was no evidence to suggest it enhanced Thanos. We saw how the stones glowed when they were used. Coupled with the Russos saying he is stronger than Hulk, that was definitely base Thanos there

 

[Thör-El]

We created the tiers based on relative scaling, and how large a scale the characrer's powers effects, and their showings vs other characters.

Our cosmic tier is for characters who's powers are planetary level and above.

Given Surtur's showing against Hela, and his destruction of Asgard, he fits into our cosmic tier. Lower end, and probably the weakest.

I follow your logic on setting a bar at planetary and above but Surtur's a planetary threat whereas the others are more like galactic/universal threats.

Spoiler

Dormammu conquers dimensions, Ego was terraforming every planet in the universe at once and Infinity Gauntlet Thanos wiped out half the life in the universe with a snap of his fingers. I'd say there's a bigger gap between them and Surtur than there is between Surtur and Odin/Stormbreaker Thor/Hela.

During the fight with Drax Ronan parries and evades Drax's attacks, until he grabs him by the throat. He's not budging because he's holding onto Drax. Also, at that point he doesn't lift Drax off the ground, until he slams him into the ground.

Compare with after Ronan gets the stone- his eyes glow purple, which suggests he has absorbed some of the stone's energy. This time he doesnt even move, just lets Drax charge him, and effortlessly lifts him off the ground - why didn't he do that in their first fight ?

I'll ask James Gunn next time I see him, but in the meantime, I think its reasonable to assume that the stone made Ronan tougher - Malekith was certainly tougher after absorbing the reality stone.

The Hadron enforcer blast burned a hole in Ronan's armour but he was otherwise unaffected - and he walks away from the spacecraft crash unharmed. All this is after obtaining the stone - in fact after that the only thing which is able to destroy him is the stone itself - I think that's a strong suggestion.

Korath, another kree, is nowhere near that tough, he gets knocked over and stunned by Quill's blasters, and then Drax kills him with his bare hands.

Yeah, I definitely think the power gem boosted Ronan and logically it'd do the same for Thanos.

Spoiler

Base Thanos is featless, I imagine he should be similar in strength/durability to Hulk but far more skilled whereas we saw in Infinity War that Thanos with the power gem was tougher, stronger and far more skilled.

Are we sure Drax had sobered up when he got curbstomped by Ronan by the way? I always thought that it would've been a closer fight if it hadn't started with Drax drunkenly calling him out.

 

[BigThor]

Doesnt that prove my point though?

Ronan got a body surge when he absorbed the stone. It went through his body. But we saw he tanked Drax's punches without budging, and trashed him like you said. Him tanking a gun that was said to destroy moons was interesting, but it was just a statement. Plus his durability was impressive. Drax is by no means a powerhouse but he is clearly a top tier strength level, probably valkerie level and Ronan no sold him and likely was a powerhouse tier strength and durability character.

So I concur

Also, there was no on screen evidence to suggest Thanos got a physical boost from any stone. What we did get, was the stones lit up when they were used. Thanos fight with Hulk is on youtube and I've watched it atleast 30 times lol.

Thanos clearly doesnt use the power stone there. So I'd say Thanos at baseline is the Thanos who beat up Hulk

Yeah that's what I was doing, I was helping you prove your point because I agree that

Spoiler

Thanos that beat Hulk is baseline Thanos.

 

[Batmannerism]

In their first fighr Drax was indeed punching him. Ronan no sold those. He also casually punched Drax about 30+ feet. So Ronan's strength is definitely power house.

And again, there was no evidence to suggest it enhanced Thanos. We saw how the stones glowed when they were used. Coupled with the Russos saying he is stronger than Hulk, that was definitely base Thanos there

While I still think that the power stone boosts durability, I agree that baseline Thanos is probably similar strength and durability to the Hulk, with a lot more skill and ecperience. So we agree on something.

A shame that we don' t see how Thanos downed Thor at the beginning - whether he used the stone at all, because that would be a good comparison ( Ragnarok Thor > Hulk, baseline Thanos also > Hulk , and Thanos with power stone > Ragnarok Thor).