MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[InCali]

Ego wins. Guardians of the Galaxy

Vs New Avengers(team Cap)

Who you got peeps?

TC....step up your game.

 

[metaphysician]

Team Guardians vs Team Cap:

Yeah, pretty much what people have said. "All" Cap needs to do is provide cover for Wanda until they can take down Yondu, at which point things cascade. And while Yondu is legitimately dangerous and powerful, Team Cap should absolutely be able to do this. Especially because they have Ant-Man, and Team Guardians really doesn't have a good counter to "millimeter tall dude pops up out of nowhere and punches someone out".

 

[Docker2.0]

Team Cap wins. Next up:
Antman

Vs the Hulk

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

Team Cap wins. Next up:
Antman

Vs the Hulk

Who you got peeps?

The Hulk 9/10 - with the only way Scott wins is if he shrinks, enters Hulk's heart or brain and then enlarges causing a heart attack or stroke.

 

[Bayne]

Ant-man killed (or least knocked out) Cull Obsidian with a single stomp.

I really don't feel like he should've been able to do that, but it did happen on screen.

So really this depends on two things: is Cull Obsidian as durable as the Hulk and can Ant-man survive whatever the Hulk hits him with long enough to stomp on him.

The first question we really have no way of knowing for sure since Hulk doesn't ever actually fight the Black Order, only Thanos, although we know Hulk seems almost immortal and Cull seems... not so (but that doesn't mean Hulk can't be beaten, as Hulkbuster and Thanos both proved).

For the second, though, I think the way Scott got knocked out of the Civil War fight pretty clearly proves his durability as Giant-Man doesn't keep pace with his strength, so I doubt he could stand up to Hulk long enough to stomp on him in the first place.

Hulk wins.

 

[Imjenn]

Hulk wins 10/10. Either Antman goes giant and gets one shot, or he goes small and frustrates the Hulk (not a good idea) until the Hulk lands a shot or he uses his thunder clap.

 

[InCali]

Antman can always survive, but could never beat Hulk......tis a DRAW!!!!

 

[Batmannerism]

Ant-man killed (or least knocked out) Cull Obsidian with a single stomp.

I really don't feel like he should've been able to do that, but it did happen on screen.

So really this depends on two things: is Cull Obsidian as durable as the Hulk and can Ant-man survive whatever the Hulk hits him with long enough to stomp on him.

The first question we really have no way of knowing for sure since Hulk doesn't ever actually fight the Black Order, only Thanos, although we know Hulk seems almost immortal and Cull seems... not so (but that doesn't mean Hulk can't be beaten, as Hulkbuster and Thanos both proved).

For the second, though, I think the way Scott got knocked out of the Civil War fight pretty clearly proves his durability as Giant-Man doesn't keep pace with his strength, so I doubt he could stand up to Hulk long enough to stomp on him in the first place.

Hulk wins.

One of the Hulk's trump cards- which we can assume Cull doesn't have- is the well established ability to get stronger as he gets angrier

Being stepped on by Giant man is going to piss him off - also, given that even Norton Hulk it's much tougher than a human ( as in able to resist high calibre bullets, sonic blasts and punches from Abomination) well, it seems to me that it would be a bit like a person stepping on a big sharp rock.

Also, Cull was off balance when he got stepped on, so was unable to resist it or see it coming.

In a 1 on 1 fight I doubt that's going to happen.

 

[metaphysician]

Anti-Man vs the Hulk:

Actually this victory should go to Ant-Man 10/10, and it isn't about any stomping. The name of the game is the pym particle shurikens. Option 1: shrink the Hulk, watch as being an unshielded living being causes him to implode. Option 2: dump him in the Quantum Zone.

Meanwhile, the Hulk can't even *see* his opponent, because his opponent is tiny.

 

[Batmannerism]

Anti-Man vs the Hulk:

Actually this victory should go to Ant-Man 10/10, and it isn't about any stomping. The name of the game is the pym particle shurikens. Option 1: shrink the Hulk, watch as being an unshielded living being causes him to implode. Option 2: dump him in the Quantum Zone.

Meanwhile, the Hulk can't even *see* his opponent, because his opponent is tiny.

Are those feats that Ant Man has performed against live, resisting opponents onscreen ?

We have previously discussed the need for evidence - which is why I only listed my " shrink down and give Hulk an heart attack or stroke " as an outside chance.

Yellowjacket imploded, but wasn't that more about Ant Man messing up his own shrink tech ?

Has Ant Man used his quantum shuriken to implode a living opponent ? If so, that would have been a great way to take out Thanos.

Also, Ant Man can travel to and through the quantum realm safely if he has an operating quantum tunnel device - the Avengers needed a big machine and Tony's quantum/time GPS.

Entering the quantum realm without such support systems was a pretty risky proposition in the first Ant Man film.

What I'm saying is that I don't believe the onscreen evidence supports either of the finishing moves you've described - at least not without risk to Ant Man himself.

Now I found the Ant Man films super forgettable- as in five minutes after them I could barely remember the plot, and I'm usually pretty good with things like that. So if there's evidence I would appreciate hearing about it, but until then I must respectfully disagree.

 

[Docker2.0]

Hulk wins. Next up:

Hela

Vs the Ancient One

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

Ummmm.....Hela 9/10.

As well as her enormous strength and durability advantages , Hela can kill the Ancient one with a single attack and had sufficient knowledge of magic to utilise the eternal flame to reanimate the dead. She's also a very skilled fighter and incredibly quick.

Given that it took a mountain sized fire demon and the explosion of her home planet to take her out....I don't think the Ancient one has much that will seriously harm her.

I see the AO getting in an astral punch or portal banishment 1/10 times before being straight up killed.

The huge problem I see is that AO needs to gesture and cast spell which takes a few seconds. Hela can throw enormous death blades pretty much in the blink of an eye ( which could kill Asgardians pretty much instantly).

I mean, all Odin could do is banish Hela, why would we think that the Ancient One can do better ?

 

[InCali]

I'd say Hela because Cate Blanchett is ultra hot. The AO could banish her to some weird dimension if she struck first. Maybe have Dormammu kill her, but they might end up allies and that would be trouble.

 

[Imjenn]

I'd say Hela 8 out of 10 times. She's powerful relative to asgardians, so Ancient One needs to pull out the big guns just to cause minimal damage. Plus being able to generate seemingly infinite weapons that can be thrown with amazing accuracy gives Hela really good ranged options.

 

[InCali]

I'd say Hela 8 out of 10 times. She's powerful relative to asgardians, so Ancient One needs to pull out the big guns just to cause minimal damage. Plus being able to generate seemingly infinite weapons that can be thrown with amazing accuracy gives Hela really good ranged options.

And she's ultra hot.....

 

[Imjenn]

And she's ultra hot.....

She is, this is true

 

[Docker2.0]

And she's ultra hot.....

 

[Luigi]

Hela

Mainly due to her quicker reaction speed.

 

[Batmannerism]

Hela

Mainly due to her quicker reaction speed.

What, because being virtually indestructible, strong enough to manhandle Thor and able to slaughter armies of elite asgardian warriors in seconds single handed weren't enough as far as advantages ?

 

[Bayne]

The virtually indestructible part is really all I need. I don't see even Dr. Strange being able to destroy Asgard itself, so the Ancient One can't actually hurt Hela. Her only chance is the shoving her into another dimension gambit, but in the case of Hela and considering how she first arrives in Asgard I'm not actually convinced Hela wouldn't be able to get herself back out of wherever she wound up.

Hela wins.

 

[Docker2.0]

Hela wins. Next up:

Regular Thor

vs the Guardians of the Galaxy

Who you got peeps?

View attachment 45804

 

[Batmannerism]

Hela wins. Next up:

Regular Thor

vs the Guardians of the Galaxy

Who you got peeps?

View attachment 45804

Regular Thor should beat them no problem, unless Rocket has one of the Grandmaster's control disks.

 

[Luigi]

GOTG

I'd say that they have a shot of winning if they can keep Thor off balance and lock his arms into place.

What, because being virtually indestructible, strong enough to manhandle Thor and able to slaughter armies of elite asgardian warriors in seconds single handed weren't enough as far as advantages ?

Well, that too.

 

[InCali]

Hela wins. Next up:

Regular Thor

vs the Guardians of the Galaxy

Who you got peeps?

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Thor........every.......single.......time.

If you want proof, Thor is called "The Mighty Thor". The GOTG don't have a "Mighty" before their name, so they lose.

 

[Fosterson]

GOTG

I'd say that they have a shot of winning if they can keep Thor off balance and lock his arms into place.

Except that gif isn't really applicable here given that one of Thanos' arms was being restrained by Doctor Strange and he isn't here. Also, even Iron Man was able to overpower one of those restraining devices, so I fail to see why Thor couldn't do the same.

And the bigger problem is that even if the GOTG manage to restrain Thor, what then? Even combined they don't have the damage output to kill him and as we saw in the opening to Ragnarok, Thor was able to summon Mjolnir even while he was chained up:

So, even if the worst comes to worst, Thor can control Mjolnir to come and free him.

Also:

OT: Thor stomps