MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

Gamorra has a sword that can cut giant monsters in half ( backed up by high probability of being Thanos-tech ), and has physicality that is a match for Cap on the *bottom* end of its plausible range.

Cap vs Groot? Groot takes it, Cap just isn't going to be able to do much/any damage. Groot is too bricky.


I struggle with Gamora vs Cap comparisons because most of her combat feats are pretty underwhelming ( except the giant monster bisection).

We know she's super strong and tough and has some level of skill- but she's tactically stupid, and her reputation of "the most dangerous woman in the galaxy" seems a bit overstated.

Remember how she gets subdued in prison by 3 inmates with knives ? Cap fought 10 guys in an elevator, who had tasers, and beat them ( part of the fight with one handed literally tied down)

Cap's shield is essentially magic ( because it does whatever he needs it to) it can cut through steel cable with ease, and he can throw it hard enough to buckle the support struts of an airport gantry, or embed itself in concrete.

Gamora's sword isn't so versatile.

I realise that Cap isn't part of this discussion, but I don't see him having too many problems with Groot and being able to overcome Gamora too.
 
Captain America wins. Next up:


Gamora
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vs Thena

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Who you got peeps?
 
Captain America wins. Next up:


Gamora
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vs Thena

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Who you got peeps?


Thena. Skilfully, super strong and tough and able to create shields and edged weapons made of energy. Ultimately a bit more versatile than Gamora and has some reasonable feats against opponents like Ikaris and Kro.

Guardians is a much better movie, 9/10, Eternals is about a 4/10 but Thena wins this fight 9/10
 
Still haven't watch Eternals, so I'll be watching this match-up from the sidelines.

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I watched it for the first time last week. It wasn't as bad as I thought. Just didn't like certain things about it but will digress from that. But it wasn't as boring or bad as I thought.
 
Thena wins. Next up:

Nebula
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vs Hawkeye
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Who you got peeps?!

Depends on a lot of things. If Hawkeye has a full complement of trick arrows and enough distance to utilize them, he could disable Nebula with a combination of explosives, entanglements and other special effects

While Nebula reassembled herself quickly after being hit by a bazooka, she also straight up died after an energy pistol shot to the heart - so her durability is a little dependent on what sort of attack she's facing.

I'm going to say that, as Hawkeye's taser arrows temporarily held Vision, who is arguably much more physically powerful than Nebula, they would at least immobilize Nebula long enough for him to follow up by putting arrows through both her eyes.

If the fight gets into melee range....Clint is dead, no question.

So with those factors I'll say Nebula 6/10, being able to close the distance without being disabled.

So Nebula, only just.
 
Finally someone giving the cosmic characters their just due. I really think you guys underplayed Gamora though. She has super strength and has shown it numerous times, has top fighting schools but yet she gets beat by Black Widow. Make it make sense!!
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Nebula vs Hawkeye:

Hmm. Yeah, I would go with Nebula taking a small majority assuming "typical" circumstances. She obviously is way more powerful physically, its just that Hawkeye is both extremely accurate and has a hilarious array of gadget arrows, she does *not* want to just take hits.

Call it 6/10 for her. Hawkeye would take the majority if the fight started at sufficient distance, but I usually assume fights involving characters without significant movement powers? Shouldn't start a mile away.

( Oh, and the matter of her getting shot in Endgame? My read on that was "that blaster pistol was Thanos-tech", since it seemed to be a weapon brought along from when Nebula served Thanos. Plausibly can overcome her durability in a more penetrating manner than "Nova corp rocket launcher". After all, Nebula and Gamora *were* effectively part of the same inner circle as the Black Order. )
 
Nebula won this time, and some discussions elsewhere inspired this match-up

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CAROL DANVERS

Vs.

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IKARIS

Ike Harris? That's the name they introduced him with in the comics.

I've got the uncanny feeling I know who will win this match-up, but I think it's still worthy of some fun discussions.
 
Given that we've only ever seen the Eternals and the Deviants wailing on each other so far with almost nothing to compare them to the rest of the MCU, I don't really feel like there's much basis to even try to argue who is or isn't more powerful. Suffice to say they're both among the most powerful people in existence who don't technically qualify as gods (powerful enough to sincerely challenge some of the people who technically do qualify as gods).

So I'll say Carol wins purely based on psychological factors. Carol's the kind of hero who always comes back for more and pushes harder. Higher, further, faster, etc. Punch her in the face with the power stone. She doesn't care. She'll keep going and make fun of you while she does it.

Ikaris has his 'purpose' which he pursued far beyond normal reason but that struck me as more of a literal inability to accept change than anything else and in the end he still gave that up, too, because he just couldn't face down the woman he loved despite his supposed deep-seated belief. He strikes me as a largely fragile personality just waiting for the opportunity to founder and eventually fall apart. So in order for him to win he would have to wipe her out very fast before his confidence came under fire and since - regardless of how their powers match up exactly - he clearly isn't *vastly* more powerful than her, that's not going to happen.
 
Ikaris vs Captain Marvel:

Hmm. While I am in the "Carol Danvers is oft overrated" camp, that's a rather relative thing. She is still definitely a person in the same weight class as Ikaris ( minimum ), who also has experience fighting opponents who can actually hurt her and needing to rely on skill. That means she gets the nod, even if you assume she doesn't have a significant power advantage.

Basically, as a rule of thumb, I think Ikaris will lose any fight against an opponent where he doesn't have a sizable power advantage ( or some kind of obvious "type advantage" in his favor ). Probably the most powerful character I'd give him the nod in a straight fight against would be the Hulk, and even then, he'd need to actually pay attention and fight smart ( it'd be more of a 6/10 than a blowout ).
 
Ikaris vs Captain Marvel:

Hmm. While I am in the "Carol Danvers is oft overrated" camp, that's a rather relative thing. She is still definitely a person in the same weight class as Ikaris ( minimum ), who also has experience fighting opponents who can actually hurt her and needing to rely on skill. That means she gets the nod, even if you assume she doesn't have a significant power advantage.

Basically, as a rule of thumb, I think Ikaris will lose any fight against an opponent where he doesn't have a sizable power advantage ( or some kind of obvious "type advantage" in his favor ). Probably the most powerful character I'd give him the nod in a straight fight against would be the Hulk, and even then, he'd need to actually pay attention and fight smart ( it'd be more of a 6/10 than a blowout ).

Have to disagree with some of that.

Honestly, once she gains superpowers when do we see Carol win with skill and not just blast through obstacles with raw power?

By the time we see her fight Thanos, she can shrug off a headbutt from him. I'm not sure we've actually seen her fight enemies who could do much more than stun her. I guess in her prior life as a human she might have had such experience, but when we run into her as Vers, that's long gone.

Again, she doesn't use skill or tactics against Yon Rogg or any of the other Kree warriors, she just kind of overpowers them. Similarly she doesn't use much skill in Endgame and just blasts through everything.

I don't agree that she's overrated, as the films explicitly show feats which suggest that she's one of the most powerful characters in the MCU. Is she a likeable and relatable character, that is a different story

On the other hand Ikaris, in his very first appearance Eternals, is injured by the flying deviant, which Ajak then heals. So he's got some experience fighting creatures that can harm him. The MCU Deviants pose a much greater risk to the Eternals than their comic book counterparts. And the Eternals are shown having to work together to subdue larger Deviants, and the evolved Deviants are shown as being able to harm them ( in the comics 4 Eternals can take out thousands of Deviants).

In Eternals we see how Ikaris fares against Makaari, Druig, Phastos and Thena - sometimes all of them at once. Kind of the MCU version of Superman vs Flash, Cyborg and Wonder Woman.
One on one he can take any of them, and does - he overpowers Thena very quickly.

The film is ridiculously inconsistent when it comes to the Eternals' durability- Ikaris and Druig survive being pounded into a rock face with little visible injury, yet Sprite is Ko'd by a rock and Sersi gets shanked. Ikaris shrugs off multiple superspeed attacks from Makaari and catches one of Thena's blades in his hand - but the Deviants can harm him ? It doesn't seem to make sense.

So my point is that Ikaris does have experience with tough opponents, but it's a bit hard to gage just how tough and strong he is. As far as skill goes, he too relies a lot on his powers, rather than fighting smart.

Given all the inconsistencies in his feats I struggle to place Ikaris. He's a lot like Vision that way.

I feel like he's probably a pretty even match for Thor - with Thor ( without Stormbreaker or Mjolnir ) probably coming out on top after a tough but probably not for Carol.

Could Ikaris overpower Dr Strange, who's a massive glass cannon ?

Both Ikaris and Carol are brawlers.

All in all, I would say Captain Marvel would take this, mostly based on her feats vs Thanos - I'd like to think that he's much tougher and stronger than a bunch of generic cgi monsters.
 
I have to agree with Bayne here. Other than Deviants, we have no real way to measure their abilities to others in the MCU. The only reason we think Ikiras is up there is because of the strikingly similar resemblance to ZS's Man of Steel. I may have to go with Danvers here even though I can't stand her.
 
I have to agree with Bayne here. Other than Deviants, we have no real way to measure their abilities to others in the MCU. The only reason we think Ikiras is up there is because of the strikingly similar resemblance to ZS's Man of Steel. I may have to go with Danvers here even though I can't stand her.

Probably the most impressive feat with his eye beams is shooting down the Eternals huge spaceship. He flew to the sun in a very short time, so he's capable of pretty impressive flying speed.

Still, as tough as the Deviants appear to be ( even average sized ones could withstand volleys of gunfire) it doesn't give us much comparison vs other MCU heroes.

I loathe Captain Marvel, but I think she's too powerful for Ikaris without additional evidence.
 
Probably the most impressive feat with his eye beams is shooting down the Eternals huge spaceship. He flew to the sun in a very short time, so he's capable of pretty impressive flying speed.

Still, as tough as the Deviants appear to be ( even average sized ones could withstand volleys of gunfire) it doesn't give us much comparison vs other MCU heroes.

I loathe Captain Marvel, but I think she's too powerful for Ikaris without additional evidence.
Yeah he seems to be based off of Man of Steel. But I'm wondering if his strength is Spiderman level or Thor level and it's hard to tell at this point.
 

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