MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

Yeah he seems to be based off of Man of Steel. But I'm wondering if his strength is Spiderman level or Thor level and it's hard to tell at this point.

I would think his strength is somewhere in the middle between Spidey and Thor - and not as great as the Eternal Gilgamesh.

We see him punch large Deviants pretty convincingly, and send them flying, but struggle when being pinned by his head - like other things in the Eternals film it's a bit inconsistent.

I honestly don't think Chloe Zhao was up for this film and the sheer scale of what they were trying to do.
 
Yeah he seems to be based off of Man of Steel. But I'm wondering if his strength is Spiderman level or Thor level and it's hard to tell at this point.

Yeah.....I was getting MoS vibes for sure, but it IS rather hard to tell how strong he was and, judging by the events of the movie and comments made later by some of those involved with its creation, we'll probably never get a definitive answer. Just by looking at what he did, I'd say he's much, much stronger than Spidey and probably in the neighborhood of Hulk or Thor.....maybe not quite that strong. Not strong enough to defeat Captain Marvel IMO.
 
Captain Marvel wins...............so that means we all lose..........next up:

Sprite
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vs Rocket Raccoon
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Who you got peeps?!
 
Does Rocket know there's a fight? Because Sprite can just walk up to him while invisible and stab him. But if she gives him more than a few minutes, he'd be able to figure out some kind of defense system to prevent that and she wouldn't have a chance anymore.

I guess I'll say 6/10 Sprite just because she'd have to act pretty stupid to give him enough time to prepare.
 
Does Rocket know there's a fight? Because Sprite can just walk up to him while invisible and stab him. But if she gives him more than a few minutes, he'd be able to figure out some kind of defense system to prevent that and she wouldn't have a chance anymore.

I guess I'll say 6/10 Sprite just because she'd have to act pretty stupid to give him enough time to prepare.

I have to agree with that. If Sprite is up for shanking her de facto sister, she won't hesitate to kill Rocket. Her illusion abilities are very advanced, so I think Rocket loses this one.

Also, and though Chloe shows it inconsistently, as an Eternal she's incredibly durable. He would probably need something like the Hadron enforcer to kill her.
 
Sprite vs Rocket:

Yeah, what everyone else has said. Without the chance to build some kind of defense against invisible people beforehand, there's nothing Rocket can really do to keep from getting stabbed.

Oh, and regarding benchmarking for strength, yeah, its tough since its only one movie and a lot of split attention. However, what I do is this: note that Druig is one of the "weaker" Eternals, lacking any physically oriented powers or combat skills of note, and generally portrayed as one of the squishy, non-combat people. Despite this, being carried hundreds of feet into the air by Ikaris, thrown towards the ground, and zapped with an energy blast the whole way down with enough force to literally drive him into a hole in the ground far enough to be out of sight? Was something that Druig not only survived, but eventually got himself back up from to rejoin the fight later ( albeit clearly still worse for wear ). This puts something of a lower boundary on Eternal durability, since even the most conservative interpreations of how much strength Ikaris has, and how damaging the eyebeams are, still leaves "hundreds of feet of fall" and "driven straight down into the rock". Combine this with a basic supposition that strength and durability at least vaguely correlate, and you can get a rough feel for how powerful the individual members are. Hence why I'm comfortable saying that Ikaris is roughly in the Thor tier, given he was shown able to effortlessly overpower Druig, implying a sizable physical edge ( plus supportive facts like his flight speed and wrecking their ship with a few vision blasts ).

( Sprite stabbing Sersi? Note three things: we don't actually know anything about how mundane or not that dagger was; by this supposition Sprite would also have the "baseline Eternal" level of enhanced strength; and Sersi largely walked off the gut wound given some time. )
 
Ya I'll go with Sprite as well.

Despite the fact that Rocket "is an accomplished starship pilot, a brilliant engineer and technician, and an expert marksman with the two laser pistols he carries as well as having an affinity for heavy weapons", Sprite is still an Eternal after all...
 
Sprite vs Rocket:

Yeah, what everyone else has said. Without the chance to build some kind of defense against invisible people beforehand, there's nothing Rocket can really do to keep from getting stabbed.

Oh, and regarding benchmarking for strength, yeah, its tough since its only one movie and a lot of split attention. However, what I do is this: note that Druig is one of the "weaker" Eternals, lacking any physically oriented powers or combat skills of note, and generally portrayed as one of the squishy, non-combat people. Despite this, being carried hundreds of feet into the air by Ikaris, thrown towards the ground, and zapped with an energy blast the whole way down with enough force to literally drive him into a hole in the ground far enough to be out of sight? Was something that Druig not only survived, but eventually got himself back up from to rejoin the fight later ( albeit clearly still worse for wear ). This puts something of a lower boundary on Eternal durability, since even the most conservative interpreations of how much strength Ikaris has, and how damaging the eyebeams are, still leaves "hundreds of feet of fall" and "driven straight down into the rock". Combine this with a basic supposition that strength and durability at least vaguely correlate, and you can get a rough feel for how powerful the individual members are. Hence why I'm comfortable saying that Ikaris is roughly in the Thor tier, given he was shown able to effortlessly overpower Druig, implying a sizable physical edge ( plus supportive facts like his flight speed and wrecking their ship with a few vision blasts ).

( Sprite stabbing Sersi? Note three things: we don't actually know anything about how mundane or not that dagger was; by this supposition Sprite would also have the "baseline Eternal" level of enhanced strength; and Sersi largely walked off the gut wound given some time. )

In the comics the Eternals are literally immortal - incredibly difficult to kill, shy of disintegration. And even then they are reassembled and reactivated by Celestial machinery at their base, Olympia.

Druig's durability was indeed impressive - although I don't think Ikaris was actually trying that hard to kill him ( although they weren't friends) regardless its a feat of toughness that no human could survive and would probably kill or seriously injure a Cap level superhuman.

Can we assume that Sprite is less durable than Druig, but still a lot more durable than any human?.

If so, how does Druig knock her out with a rock- because that assumes the rock is tougher than she is. Druig's body is clearly much tougher than the rock surface of the island, so shouldn't the rock just shatter against the back of Sprite's head ? Wouldn't his fist be a better weapon ?

As for the tanto that impaled Sersi, I struggle with that - given no evidence to suggest that it is a special weapon.

What I'm trying to say is that one of the many flaws of the Eternals film is the inconsistencies in their abilities. Kro could kill them because he could drain the energy that keeps them alive, not through physical force.

Otherwise their powers ebb and flow as the needs of the plot dictate - kind of like Captain America's shield, if we're honest, but he's a well written character and very likeable, so he gets a pass.
 
In the comics the Eternals are literally immortal - incredibly difficult to kill, shy of disintegration. And even then they are reassembled and reactivated by Celestial machinery at their base, Olympia.

Druig's durability was indeed impressive - although I don't think Ikaris was actually trying that hard to kill him ( although they weren't friends) regardless its a feat of toughness that no human could survive and would probably kill or seriously injure a Cap level superhuman.

Can we assume that Sprite is less durable than Druig, but still a lot more durable than any human?.

If so, how does Druig knock her out with a rock- because that assumes the rock is tougher than she is. Druig's body is clearly much tougher than the rock surface of the island, so shouldn't the rock just shatter against the back of Sprite's head ? Wouldn't his fist be a better weapon ?

As for the tanto that impaled Sersi, I struggle with that - given no evidence to suggest that it is a special weapon.

What I'm trying to say is that one of the many flaws of the Eternals film is the inconsistencies in their abilities. Kro could kill them because he could drain the energy that keeps them alive, not through physical force.

Otherwise their powers ebb and flow as the needs of the plot dictate - kind of like Captain America's shield, if we're honest, but he's a well written character and very likeable, so he gets a pass.
Really? I have never read an Eternals comic and have no clue what they are even about. So they are machines? Also, Olympia? So does that mean the greek gods are basically fleshy machines as well?
 
Really? I have never read an Eternals comic and have no clue what they are even about. So they are machines? Also, Olympia? So does that mean the greek gods are basically fleshy machines as well?

Jack, thr King, Kirby Created them back in the day , and while Sersi became an Avenger the rest of them were pretty niche.

In 2006 Neil Gaiman did an amazing limited series, which could have been àdapted into a very good film and haď a storyline which would have completely explained why the Eternals didn't get involved in Thanos or Ultron or any other nonsense.
 
Jack, thr King, Kirby Created them back in the day , and while Sersi became an Avenger the rest of them were pretty niche.

In 2006 Neil Gaiman did an amazing limited series, which could have been àdapted into a very good film and haď a storyline which would have completely explained why the Eternals didn't get involved in Thanos or Ultron or any other nonsense.

Was that the run of maybe 16 comics that left us with Arishem saying he would come back for judgement or was that another one? I read those comics. I think they had Sersi as some party girl in NY or something like that.
 
Was that the run of maybe 16 comics that left us with Arishem saying he would come back for judgement or was that another one? I read those comics. I think they had Sersi as some party girl in NY or something like that.
Fine! :whatever: you guys talked me into reading it. What issues are this?! Tell me!! :argh:
 
The Eternals aren't supposed to be machines in the comics, they're organic. But the entire planet earth itself is a machine which, among various other things, is capable of creating new copies of them every time they die. It's more like clones with memories courtesy of regular memory back-ups.
 
Was that the run of maybe 16 comics that left us with Arishem saying he would come back for judgement or was that another one? I read those comics. I think they had Sersi as some party girl in NY or something like that.


I think it was 7 issues. Arishem doesn't show up at all - its Tiamut, the dreaming Celestial, who awakens, and then just stands around looking awesome.
But Sersi was indeed a party girl though and living it up in NY.
 
The Eternals aren't supposed to be machines in the comics, they're organic. But the entire planet earth itself is a machine which, among various other things, is capable of creating new copies of them every time they die. It's more like clones with memories courtesy of regular memory back-ups.

That depends on your definition of "machine" I guess. But in that series they are also "hardwired" to defend Celestials and actually shut down if they act against them......smells like machine to me.
 
Sprite wins. Next up:

Gilgamesh
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Vs Captain America

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Who you got peeps?!

I almost never vote against Cap. But this is a bit like Cap vs Hulk. I honestly don't think Cap could seriously hurt Gilgamesh, and while his main attack is a single concentrated strike ( which the shield is great at dealing with) sooner or later he's going to land a strike. While I don't think it would kill Cap, it would probably KO him.
 
I almost never vote against Cap. But this is a bit like Cap vs Hulk. I honestly don't think Cap could seriously hurt Gilgamesh, and while his main attack is a single concentrated strike ( which the shield is great at dealing with) sooner or later he's going to land a strike. While I don't think it would kill Cap, it would probably KO him.

Gotta agree with that. The Shield isn't a miracle cure all and Gilgamesh is a guy who literally punches giant monsters in the face.
 
I almost never vote against Cap. But this is a bit like Cap vs Hulk. I honestly don't think Cap could seriously hurt Gilgamesh, and while his main attack is a single concentrated strike ( which the shield is great at dealing with) sooner or later he's going to land a strike. While I don't think it would kill Cap, it would probably KO him.

Agreed. Cap has been enhanced to peak human perfection but he's not superhuman to the best of my knowledge...

The shield would probably absorb much of the impact but a strong enough punch from Gilgamesh could still potentially break his arm. I'll go with Gilgamesh here.
 
Agreed. Cap has been enhanced to peak human perfection but he's not superhuman to the best of my knowledge...

The shield would probably absorb much of the impact but a strong enough punch from Gilgamesh could still potentially break his arm. I'll go with Gilgamesh here.
He held a helicopter to the ground with one hand. Didn't he throw a motorcycle as well?
 
Agreed. Cap has been enhanced to peak human perfection but he's not superhuman to the best of my knowledge...

The shield would probably absorb much of the impact but a strong enough punch from Gilgamesh could still potentially break his arm. I'll go with Gilgamesh here.

Respectfully, and I don't mean this as an insult, your knowledge is wrong.

I dont say that often, but what is shown in the MCU films tells us that Cap is unquestionably superhuman.

In the regular comics Cap is peak human but in the MCU he has much more in common with Ultimate Marvel Cap, who is definitely superhuman.

Cap's feats in the MCU films are demonstrably beyond peak human. No human could survive the falls or impact he takes. In Winter Soldier he is knocked off a bridge, falls at least 50 feet, smashing through the window of a bus, which then crashes. He gets up about 30 seconds later, unscathed. Even the toughest human would have been a mess of pulped flesh and broken bones.

In the awful Falcon and Winter Soldier series Bucky, who is equivalent to Cap physically, jumps out of a low flying plane and smashes through a tree canopy before jogging away.

Cap takes point blank repulsor blasts from Iron Man, as well as full on punches. He is able to outrun cars while chasing Bucky and Tchalla on foot.

No human could hold down a helicopter or throw a motorcycle hard enough to smash a truck.

So, Cap is definitely superhuman- but in these circumstances, Gilgamesh is a lot more superhuman.
 
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