MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[VictusMortuus]

The Eternals had some impressive feats certainly but Hela decimated the entire Asgardian army with ease and would’ve been successful had Surtur not been released. Hela wins 10/10.

 

[Batmannerism]

The Eternals had some impressive feats certainly but Hela decimated the entire Asgardian army with ease and would’ve been successful had Surtur not been released. Hela wins 10/10.

Those are fair arguments- but consider that Sersi turned a Celestial - a being nearly as large as the Earth and powerful enough to create suns and singularities to inanimate stone. She and the Eternals could have taken out Surtur no problem.

The Eternals can't beat Hela with force, she's too powerful, but Sersi's transmutation power is a trump card.

Just something to consider.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Makkari is too fast
Sersi has the transmutation hands
Ikaris was going easy on his colleagues, and they still had difficulty containing him


ETERNALS take this round, but Hela can take down a few of them.

 

[VictusMortuus]

But the celestial wasn’t fighting back. Surtur would’ve fought back and I doubt any Eternal would be able to subdue him for Sersi to even get close to turning him to stone.

 

[Batmannerism]

But the celestial wasn’t fighting back. Surtur would’ve fought back and I doubt any Eternal would be able to subdue him for Sersi to even get close to turning him to stone.

First, how do you fight back against an attack like that? Especially given Surtur's immense size.

It would be like being bitten by a flea that had a super poisonous bite which killed you in seconds.

Second, I don't think they have to subdue Surtur, just distract him or prevent him seeing Sersi until the transmutation starts, and then it's too late.

Sprite makes Sersi invisible, Ikaris flies her up to Surtur.....game over. Her transmutation works pretty quickly, almost instantaneously, if she lands on Surtur's head, he's finished right away.

Also he would have to notice Sersi to fight back. He noticed Hulk because Hulk landed on his crown with a heavy impact and started hammering away.

If Gilgamesh or Makaari or Phastos can get Surtur's attention even for a few seconds, Sersi turns his head to rock and it's over.

 

[metaphysician]

Hela vs the Eternals:

I give this to Hela. There isn't a single Eternal even in the same ballpark as her firepower, and while Makkari could probably defend herself and others from at least some of Hela's attacks, I can't see that mattering for long. Likewise, Hela too the best that Thor, post his first powerup, could deliver and it achieved a hearty "meh"; the only thing that definitely hurt her was "Surtur blowing up Asgard".

That leaves the matter of esoteric attacks:

-Druig has telepathy on a fairly high end scale; however. . . we know mental attacks are not unknown to the Asgardians, Loki specifically even has them, and no one even considered doing one against Hela, the ancient and ambiguously mystically powerful Asgardian. Also, Druig never used his powers on anyone but normal humans, not other Eternals, except when juiced up on the Unimind. I wouldn't want to bet on him being able to win the fight, especially since he's squishy.

-Sersi could, if juiced up on Unimind power, try to transmute Hela. However, again, matter transmutation isn't unknown to Asgardians ( think of the various transforming clothing and forced species changes ), and Hela herself is ambiguously mystically potent. Even if Unimind were in play, this would be a bad bet, and also, Sersi's more powerful transmutation moves seem to require close contact, which might as well be asking Hela to just kill her.

-Phaestos has cosmic mad science, ahem! This can never be totally ruled out. However, aside from the Unimind itself, his resources seemed to top out at "Trap Ikaris for a while". This is nice, but I wouldn't count on mad science able to trap Ikaris, to be able to do the same to Hela for more than seconds at most.

The only way I see the Eternals having a chance against Hela is via Phaestos creating the Unimind, which would require advance preparation on his part. And even with that, its a really slim chance, since drawing power for the Unimind seemed to render the other Eternals comparatively immobile and inactive, which is death against Hela. Absent that, its ten opponents who can't hurt her, and who she can kill fairly casually, with only two opponents who maybe have enough skill or speed to avoid being hit by her for a bit.

 

[Docker2.0]

Hela wins in a close one. Next up:

Death Dealer

Vs the devil of Hell's Kitchen, Daredevil

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Is this the guy..... errm... person that got beheaded in Shang Chi?

DAREDEVIL

 

[Docker2.0]

Is this the guy that got beheaded in Shang Chi?

DAREDEVIL

You sure it was a guy? I hate the fact that they never addressed this character and even the way he/she went out was lame.

 

[Batmannerism]

Is this the guy..... errm... person that got beheaded in Shang Chi?

DAREDEVIL

I think Death Dealer got killed by a mini Cthulhu monster/Dementor that sucked his soul out.

****ty way to go.

Anyway, Death Dealer has super kung fu....but not sure how that stacks up against DD, who has a degree in beating up Ninjas.

So....I'll go for Daredevil!

 

[Batgirl0202]

I underestimated Captain America and got my *** handed to me so I'm not gonna make the same mistake with Daredevil

DD all the way!

 

[Luigi]

Double D takes the win here. The death dealer never got the chance to show off any impressive feats.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Double D takes the win here. The death dealer never got the chance to show off any impressive feats.

Now that you mention this way, both of them are DDs.

 

[Luigi]

Now that you mention this way, both of them are DDs.

Didn't even notice that haha.

 

[metaphysician]

Death Dealer vs Daredevil:

. . .hmm. On one hand, I am comfortable saying that Shang Chi and those who are direct peers of him are on a level above Matt Murdoch, maybe even two levels. OTOH, I am really leery of saying that Death Dealer fits in that category. He honestly had fewer feats and fights than Razorfist, and at least Razorfist actually survived the movie. If Death Dealer was supposed to be the Ten Ring's super mega awesome death warrior, they kind of didn't show it. Being as kind as I can be, he did seem to be more a ninja assassin than an open field fighter, but that isn't especially helpful against Daredevil, who has his own expertise in "ninja assassin" and "thrown weapon mastery".

I'd say Daredevil takes it 6-7/10. Death Dealer might be a better technical martial artist, and has weaponized gadgets, but I'd say the enhanced senses and especially Matt's never say die willpower would give him the victory. It'd be kind of like his fight with Nobu, except that DD seems a bit more of a glass cannon.

 

[Docker2.0]

Now that you mention this way, both of them are DDs.

And so is Black Widow

 

[Docker2.0]

Daredevil wins. Next up:

Shang Chi

vs Ronan/Hawkeye

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Batmannerism]

Daredevil wins. Next up:

Shang Chi

vs Ronan/Hawkeye

Who you got peeps?!

Well.....based on Shang Chi from his film and Hawkeye from his series...Shang Chi, based on the bus fight alone, 8/10. With the Ten Rings, Hawkeye loses 10/10.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

SHANG CHI doesn't hold on to arrows like Loki does, so a win for him on that alone.

 

[Luigi]

Shang-Chi

Ronin's close quarters combat style doesn't do him any favors against Shang-Chi. Now if it was Clint as Hawkeye and at a distance with arrows, it'd be a different story.

 

[Bayne]

Hawkeye doesn't have the skill set to take out Shang-Chi in close quarters OR at a distance. At least not if Shang-Chi knows the attack is coming, anyway.

 

[Batgirl0202]

There's really nothing left to say here except.... Shang-Chi!

 

[VictusMortuus]

I love MCU Hawkeye, but Shang-Chi can take him and BW barely breaking a sweat.

 

[Docker2.0]

Shang Chi wins. Next up:
Black Panther

Vs the Mandarin

Who you got peeps?!

 

[metaphysician]

Shang Chi vs Hawkeye:

It depends. If its just "normal" Shang-Chi, then I'd say Hawkeye takes it every time. Shang is a much better martial artist than Clint ( /understatement ), but Clint is a ranged specialist with a very large and nasty selection of trick arrows, and Shang doesn't really have a good counter to "impossible marksman shoots me from 100 feet away with something nasty".

If Shang Chi gets the ten rings? That changes things a lot. I'd still say Hawkeye takes it occasionally ( his trick arrows are *really* good, and the Ten Rings don't exactly give passive invulnerability ), but Shang Chi wins at least 8/10 thanks to having much better defensive and ranged options.

( If the fight starts at like five feet, then sure, Shang wins every time either way, but conversely starting it at a two miles away, Hawkeye would win every time even with the rings. I assume starting range and conditions are such as to not be obviously one-sided. )

Black Panther vs the Mandarin:

Black Panther every time, because the Mandarin doesn't exist.

Black Panther vs Wenwu:

I think Wenwu should take this the vast majority of the time. In terms of physicality, they are at best even given the rings, and really Wenwu has a large edge in everything but durability. Wenwu is at least as skilled as T'Challa, probably moreso. Wenwu has numerous powerful ranged attack options. And while the vibranium undies provide a lot of protection, their protection is not infinite, and Wenwu deals out a *lot* more damage than things we've seen effect BP. Its not that this fight is a curbstomp or anything, but T'challa is just in a really bad position. He needs to get a clean shot with the claws on Wenwu at point blank range, and that just isn't going to happen unless Wenwu makes a lot of unforced errors. Its otherwise going to consist of "Black Panther gets slammed, blasted, and electrocuted from varyingly moderate distances repeatedly". Wenwu 9/10, with the one victory being where T'Challa successfully parleys his absorbtion blast into a setup for a decisive melee attack.