MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Iceman]

Thanks @Docker2.0 I enjoy this thread and appreciate the effort you put in to keep it going.


Hela takes this 10/10.

I don't think that even Wanda's full power is enough to put her down permanently. I am sure that Wanda could crush her or tear her to pieces- but after re watching Ragnarok recently I am also sure that Hela would get back up.
Also, while I'm sure Wanda could deflect Hela's death blades sooner or later one of them is going to land - at that point Wanda is dead.

Hela combines being pretty much indestructible with the power to kill pretty much anything plus being physically stronger than Thor - even at her weakest, before she returned to Asgard she effortlessly crushed Mjolnir.

Wanda is powerful indeed - but not on Hela's level.

I don't think anyone in the MCU could take her one on one except Thanos with a full infinity gauntlet.

Yeah, her defence and resilience will be a lot higher than Scarlet Witch.

 

[Stormborn]

Hela wins.

Wanda might be able to lift Hela up and throw her around but I can't see her hurting someone that durable.

Combine that with Hela's strength, skill and weapons that can one shot Wanda up close or from a distance and it's a one sided fight.

 

[jolldan]

Got to go with Hela.

Wanda is too much of a glass cannon.

 

[Iceman]

Yep, whereas Hela is more of an adamantium cannon.

 

[Docker2.0]

You talkin' to me?

If the shoe fits........................ and why can't I multiquote?

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm not going to be that guy.

Hela is the only victor I can think of.

You are always that guy!

 

[Docker2.0]

Hela wins 8-0. Next up:

Rocket and Groot

Vs Luke Cage and Iron Fist

Who you got peeps?

 

[jolldan]

Rocket and Groot all day if a Judas bullet can put Luke down in betting Rocket’s tech could and if I remember right Danny has never really displayed bullet dodging level speed.

 

[Batmannerism]

Tough.

If Rocket can stay out of reach he can pick off Danny or Luke. I suspect Luke's strength and invulnerability are up to dealing with Groot's attacks. I suspect the Iron Fist may be able to deal with Groot as well.

If Luke or Danny get a hand on Rocket he's done.

I'll call this 6/10 for Rocket and Groot and 4/10 for Luke and Danny. So Rocket and Groot just barely.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think you guys are forgetting that Danny Rand killed a dragon WITHOUT the Iron Fist! I don't think Groot is to much of a problem at all. I think the X factor is Rocket honestly.

 

[Stormborn]

I think you guys are forgetting that Danny Rand killed a dragon WITHOUT the Iron Fist!

Iron Fist has one weird origin story.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Mr. Fist and Mr. Cage

You are always that guy!

I didn't vote opposite of the rest, you can chill today.

 

[jolldan]

If they match up the other way I still think they take it as I think Groot is strong enough to hold Luke down. (At least momentarily until Rocket lands a shot or disables Danny)

As I don't think he has comparable strength to Gamora who could break free.

I think you guys are forgetting that Danny Rand killed a dragon WITHOUT the Iron Fist! I don't think Groot is to much of a problem at all. I think the X factor is Rocket honestly.

Another big reason im swaying towards the GOTG duo is Luke's assumption that he can take punishment. A big part of his game is he's such a tank that he can take no matter what is thrown at him and his fighting style seems largely based around that so he would more than likely expose himself to Rocket's rifle fire without worry as he'd think it wouldn't affect him.

 

[Docker2.0]

With myself going with Luke and Danny, we end with a 2-2 tie. Next up:

The deadliest woman in the galaxy, Gamora

Vs Spiderman in the Iron armor

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

With myself going with Luke and Danny, we end with a 2-2 tie. Next up:

The deadliest woman in the galaxy, Gamora

Vs Spiderman in the Iron armor

Who you got peeps?

Interesting. Gamora is probably strong enough to break out of Peter's webs. Who can take more punishment ? Probably Peter who survived being hit by a train. Gamora's sword could probably cut through Peter's armour, including his extra legs.

Peter has a massive advantage in agility, speed and senses.

Could Gamora have defeated Mysterio's drone armada, I doubt it.

I give this to Peter 7/10 times, for webbing up Gamora and knocking her out and Gamora 3/10 times for a fatal stab.

 

[Stormborn]

Peter's stronger, more agile and he has his webbing but if this is Endgame Spidey then he hasn't figured out his spider sense yet.

Gamora is just as fast, far more skilled, durable enough to take a few hits from Spidey and her sword is OP enough to take Peter out with one cut.

I vote Gamora.

With myself going with Luke and Danny, we end with a 2-2 tie.

Seriously, what is it with you and voting to create ties?

 

[Docker2.0]

Peter's stronger, more agile and he has his webbing but if this is Endgame Spidey then he hasn't figured out his spider sense yet.

Gamora is just as fast, far more skilled, durable enough to take a few hits from Spidey and her sword is OP enough to take Peter out with one cut.

I vote Gamora.



Seriously, what is it with you and voting to create ties?

Don't judge me man............don't judge me.

Off topic but where is this kid now? Is he a full blown woman now or was it just a phase?

 

[Luigi]

Gamora

The only advantage that Peter has over Gamora is his quickness but she's quite durable and far more experienced than him.

 

[Batmannerism]

Peter's stronger, more agile and he has his webbing but if this is Endgame Spidey then he hasn't figured out his spider sense yet.

Gamora is just as fast, far more skilled, durable enough to take a few hits from Spidey and her sword is OP enough to take Peter out with one cut.

I vote Gamora.



Seriously, what is it with you and voting to create ties?

I dispute that Gamora is as fast as Peter - I can't remember a single feat of reflexes she's performed to suggest she is his equal. Disarming the thugs in the prison shower is a far cry from going toe to toe with Spider Man.

She is much more skillful and that makes up a lot of the difference- but I don't see her overcoming the Iron Spider.

Agree to disagree, I guess.

 

[InCali]

Seriously, what is it with you and voting to create ties?

He thrives on controversy and chaos. I'm pretty sure he needs professional help.

 

[Docker2.0]

 

[Stormborn]

I dispute that Gamora is as fast as Peter - I can't remember a single feat of reflexes she's performed to suggest she is his equal

If this were any other version of Spidey (616, Ultimate, Maguire, Garfield, PS4 etc) I would agree but in the MCU I'm not so sure.

Before Far From Home, Peter had no spider sense, rookie fighting abilities and just wasn't that fast.

Cap, Vulture, Shocker, Cull Obsidian and even the ATM robbers in Homecoming were all able to get the better of him. Peter Quill was able to tag him with throwing bolas.

I agree Gamora doesn't have any incredible speed feats either but we do know she's far faster than Drax and fast enough to repeatedly defeat Nebula (who we've seen land hits on Thanos without needing magic portals).

I don't think Gamora will have much trouble landing a hit on this version of Spidey.

 

[InCali]

I'd hate to change the canon that Lord Docker has established, BUT I'm going to do it anyway. MCU (or any) Spidey wins against MCU Gamora. Think about GotG when she was fighting Quill and then was in jail. Spidey is stronger, faster, and probably could have survived the fall that killed Gamora.

I win.

 

[Docker2.0]

Not really. Gamora has mastered like 85% of known martial arts in the galaxy, not just Earth. I don't see this in anyway saying Spidey beats her. I dare say that Spidey really has a very low chance of beating her, which is why I put the Spidey armor on. Even with the MCU downplaying her, Gamora is a beast.

 

[Stormborn]

Think about GotG when she was fighting Quill

I'm not sure that comparison helps your case.

Quill beat Spider-Man and held him hostage in Infinity War.

On the other hand, Gamora outclassed and almost killed Quill within 30 seconds of meeting him. He'd have been dead if Rocket and Groot hadn't gotten involved.

I dare say that Spidey really has a very low chance of beating her, which is why I put the Spidey armor on. Even with the MCU downplaying her, Gamora is a beast.

Wait, you're voting to break the tie?