MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Docker2.0]

I need to come here more often.

Yes..............yes, you do.

 

[Batmannerism]

I vote Iron Man, although I think it'd be close.

Strange might be far more powerful but he's also far more vulnerable and needs to make a hand gesture to cast each spell.

More often than not I think Iron Man could blitz Strange before he can cast his most powerful spells (like Ebony Maw did) or rely on his flight speed/durability advantage to keep him in the fight long enough to get at least one missile/beam/bullet past Strange's shields.

This is why I call it a draw. Half of the time I see Tony landing that lucky blast, and the other half Strange casts a spell that traps him in a dimension composed solely of 70s disco hits or a blast of magic that turns his armour inside out.

 

[Yowza]

Truth is half the time most of these battles would be a complete mis-match of players not even having similar skill sets or are often nerfed up to combat along greater threats alongside more powerful team-mates that they lead.

Therefore, I find the stories more central than the fights for an adaptation to be successful.

 

[Bayne]

I agree there are plenty of scenarios where Iron Man could get in a lucky shot and instantly win, but there seems to be a growing narrative here that Strange somehow couldn't take out Tony in one shot which I fundamentally disagree with. Between how the Ancient One dealt with Hulk and all the casual, instantaneous teleportation in Thor Ragnarok, Strange could easily neutralize Iron Man with one spell as long as he uses the right spell. (And realistically there are almost certainly LOTS more spells that could work in that capacity than we currently know about.)

This is a fight that could go either way in the short term, depending on who does what, when. Either hero has the potential to be caught off guard or catch the other off guard. But if the fight goes long-term, Strange can keep throwing out one surprise after another after another whereas Tony's bag of tricks isn't that deep and Strange's attacks don't actually need to hurt Tony through the suit at all - they could bypass it, incapacitate it or trap him suit and all in a place he can never get out of - so it's protection is not as relevant as some seem to think.

While this fight may be fairly even in the short-term, I say once you take the long-term into account Strange should win a clear and healthy majority of the time.

 

[Batmannerism]

I agree there are plenty of scenarios where Iron Man could get in a lucky shot and instantly win, but there seems to be a growing narrative here that Strange somehow couldn't take out Tony in one shot which I fundamentally disagree with. Between how the Ancient One dealt with Hulk and all the casual, instantaneous teleportation in Thor Ragnarok, Strange could easily neutralize Iron Man with one spell as long as he uses the right spell. (And realistically there are almost certainly LOTS more spells that could work in that capacity than we currently know about.)

This is a fight that could go either way in the short term, depending on who does what, when. Either hero has the potential to be caught off guard or catch the other off guard. But if the fight goes long-term, Strange can keep throwing out one surprise after another after another whereas Tony's bag of tricks isn't that deep and Strange's attacks don't actually need to hurt Tony through the suit at all - they could bypass it, incapacitate it or trap him suit and all in a place he can never get out of - so it's protection is not as relevant as some seem to think.

While this fight may be fairly even in the short-term, I say once you take the long-term into account Strange should win a clear and healthy majority of the time.

What's a real shame is that we won't see Strange and Stark onscreen together again - they had some great exchanges in Infinity War.

Strange could defeat most foes with his withering sarcasm alone - Tony being one who's ego is durable enough to survive.

I'm surprised Strange seems to be winning the poll so handily - I might rethink my original position, but even then it would only be 6/10 for Strange and 4/10 for Tony. Will give it another think.

 

[Docker2.0]

Strange wins in a razor thin close one: 3-2 with 2 draws. Next up:
The Ancient One

Vs Odin

I never knew this horse had freaking 8 legs! It's a freaking spider horse! Anyway, who you got peeps?

 

[Stormborn]

He barely has any on screen feats but I've got to give it to Odin.

We never got to see him fight but we know Thor considers himself weaker than his dad, we know Odin in Thor 1 was able to depower Thor and was fast enough to cross the length of Asgard in seconds and we know he was capable of insane feats in his younger years like defeating and imprisoning Hela, and beating Surtur and taking his crown.

The Ancient One was clearly a master combatant with power over portals, gravity and constructs and she probably knew every spell we've seen Doctor Strange use. I don't think that's enough to put her on Odin's level though.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'll give the bigger chance of victory to older Hannibal Lecter here. The feats @Stormborn mentioned above deserve acknowledging.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Steve?

I thought it was normal to call Stephen Steve.

 

[Luigi]

Ancient One

Had this been young Odin in his prime, I would have given it to him. Ancient One is incredibly skilled with spells and would warp reality to defeat Odin. We've also seen that he's susceptible to mental manipulation with Loki's spell.

 

[Bayne]

Yeah, I've got to agree. Thor considered himself weaker than Odin because he grew up in his shadow, but Odin considered himself weaker than Thor in the end. And we really haven't seen him do anything amazing in his old age. His grand feats are all thousands(hundreds?) of years in the past. Plus he's been seriously affected by magic multiple times, so the Ancient One is kind of the perfect person to take him down, it seems.

 

[Batmannerism]

I always got the feeling that Loki was able to put Odin under a spell due to a number of factors:

- Odin was distracted by grief after Frigga's death
- Odin thought Loki was dead, so he was taken by surprise
- in his heart of hearts he wanted to abdicate his responsibilities, as in TDW he was clearly grooming Thor to take over, so he probably lacked the will to resist Loki's spell.

To back that up, even when he did shake off Loki's spell he didn't return to Asgard but remained in exile by choice- allowing Loki to lord it over Asgard in his place.

The Ancient One, while able to extend her life to 500 years and capable of very powerful magic - sufficient to incapacitate the Hulk - is still a mortal human being.

The way I see it, this match up is a bit like Tony vs Thanos in Infinity War, while Tony could keep Thanos off balance and even draw blood, ultimately he was overmatched. Odin is over 5000 years old, has the physical strength of an Asgardian and sufficient mystical might to depower Thor and imprison Hela.

So, in short, Odin takes this IMO.

 

[Stormborn]

Thor considered himself weaker than Odin because he grew up in his shadow, but Odin considered himself weaker than Thor in the end. And we really haven't seen him do anything amazing in his old age. His grand feats are all thousands(hundreds?) of years in the past.

I don't think Odin needs to be in his Surtur/Hela beating prime to beat the Ancient One.

Odin in Thor 1 was considered stronger than Thor, was able to magically suppress his son's powers and turn him human, enchanted Mjolnir so that only someone worthy could lift it (even Hulk tried and failed) and he crossed the length of Asgard in seconds to catch Thor/Loki when the bifrost exploded. Plus he was keeping Hela magically imprisoned at the same time.

I reckon he could pull it off.

Plus he's been seriously affected by magic multiple times, so the Ancient One is kind of the perfect person to take him down, it seems.

Multiple times? I can only think of one time.

We don't know the details but Loki took Odin by surprise in Dark World. I don't know if that translates into the Ancient One being able to hurt a god with extreme strength and durability in a head on fight.

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm voting Ancient One, hence this ending in a tie. 3-3. Next up:

Iron Monger

Vs Spiderman

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

I'm voting Ancient One, hence this ending in a tie. 3-3. Next up:

Iron Monger

Vs Spiderman

Who you got peeps?

Spider Man.

The only way Iron Monger wins is by flying Spidey up into the atmosphere and dropping him - although given Spidey's ability to handle altitude and plane crashes in Homecoming that might not work.

Otherwise Spidey avoids his cannons, webs up his sensors and then starts ripping off parts of the armour until he's nonfunctional.

 

[Luigi]

Spider-Man

Not only is the Iron Monger suit a faulty piece of tech, Obadiah is an unskilled business man. Peter easily wins.

 

[Docker2.0]

Spiderman wins 2-0. Next up:

Mysterio

vs the Falcon

who you got peeps?

 

[Stormborn]

I'll vote Mysterio

He can use his illusion tech to keep Falcon off balance/steer him into something lethal like he did to Spidey with the train or just let him think he's won and then shoot him in the head.

And if he has the Stark drones/Edith from the final battle from FFH then he can probably just win through overwhelming firepower (Falcon avoiding the helicarrier gunfire is a great feat but he can't dodge forever).

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I might give the edge to Falcon. There usually isn't much talking in a fight, and Qunetin loves to talk.



As for the match of Spider-Man vs Iron Monger then Spider-Man wins with ease cause he won't fight someone who died when Pete was prepubescent.

 

[Batmannerism]

I'll vote Mysterio

He can use his illusion tech to keep Falcon off balance/steer him into something lethal like he did to Spidey with the train or just let him think he's won and then shoot him in the head.

And if he has the Stark drones/Edith from the final battle from FFH then he can probably just win through overwhelming firepower (Falcon avoiding the helicarrier gunfire is a great feat but he can't dodge forever).

Spider Man was able to avoid the drones' mass fire and penetrate the illusion due to his superhuman senses and reflexes - he also survived the hits he took due to his superhuman durability. He's also a genius who understands the underlying technology.

The problem I see for Falcon is that while he has enhanced sensory gear and can move really fast and with great aerial agility I don't think he could avoid an armada of drones for long - a quinjet with a volley of missiles was tough for him in TWS, and he may be more skilled but the sheer firepower of the drone fleet would be too much + the holograms would be distracting. If Sam was as tough and fast as Spidey he'd take this - but he's just a man, so in the end Mysterio would take him out.

On the other hand , it only takes one lucky shot to kill Mysterio.

I give this to Mysterio 6/10 times, the other 4/10 Falcon dodges long enough to get a fix on Mysterio's position and bust a cap in his dome.

 

[Kev4000]

Mysterio indeed.

 

[Docker2.0]

Mysterio wins 3-1. Next up:
Worthy Captain America

vs a Cap/Hulk experiment gone wrong:
The Abomination

Who you got peeps?

 

[Luigi]

Abomination

As much as I like Cap, have to go against the guy. He could keep Blonsky off balance for a while but as we saw in his fight against Thanos, once he loses Mjolnir, it would become a one sided fight.

 

[Batmannerism]

Thunder Cap all the way.

He did better 1 on 1 against Thanos than Hulk ( a version of Hulk who was more powerful than the one who defeated Abomination) . Thanos is a weight class up from Hulk, which makes him a couple of classes up from Abomination.

Thunder Cap gets my vote to beat down Abomination with a mighty blow from Mjolnir, followed up by lightning.

 

[jolldan]

Blonsky for me.