MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Docker2.0]

I don't think it's the same. Venom was made by Sony and doesn't even reference Spider-Man, never mind the MCU. Morbius isn't out yet.

Meanwhile the pre-Disney Plus shows were actually made by Disney/Marvel and were marketed as part of the MCU:

• Agents of SHIELD stars Phil Coulson, has plotlines that tie in to Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron, is full of references to the wider MCU and has had cameos from Nick Fury, Maria Hill etc.
• Agent Carter stars Peggy Carter and Howard Stark, is full of references to Cap:TFA and Edwin Jarvis from the show made a cameo in Endgame.
• Daredevil and the other Netflix shows include references to the Avengers, Battle of New York, the Sokovia Accords and the Raft.

And as far as I know, nobody at Marvel's said they're non canon and all Feige's said is that he'd like to use the Netflix characters again in the future.

Yeah but they are connected now. Stop being THAT guy!

All those pre-Disney+ shows consider themselves to be connected to the MCU despite Feige's repeated decline of their connection.

Venom and Morbius deserve to be counted for the same reason.

 

[Docker2.0]

No. LOL.

 

[Docker2.0]

Dormammu wins in controversy. Next up:

Spiderman

vs Venom

Who you got peeps?

 

[InCali]

Dormammu wins in controversy. Next up:

Spiderman

vs Venom

Who you got peeps?

You forgot chaos.

I'm like, TOTALLY with Spiderman, y'know, TOTALLY kicking Venom's @$$ because like, y'know, he's a good guy and the good guys alway win. Now, if you'll excuse me, I just got a job with Disney and have to get back to my editing.

You people are all really weird.

Lebron James is NOT an american hero. He's the best point guard in the NBA.

 

[Batmannerism]

Our Spidey is Spider Man, post Far From Home.

In the comics Spider Man is vulnerable to Venom because the symbiote had a prior connection with Peter Parker. Movie Venom has no such connection.

Having said that unless Spider Man deduces one of Venom's weaknesses- sound waves or fire - I can't see Spidey being able to really hurt Venom, and as tough as Spidey is he would be vulnerable to Venom's ability to envelop him and any edged weapons he creates.

I would give this to Venom.

 

[InCali]

Our Spidey is Spider Man, post Far From Home.

In the comics Spider Man is vulnerable to Venom because the symbiote had a prior connection with Peter Parker. Movie Venom has no such connection.

Having said that unless Spider Man deduces one of Venom's weaknesses- sound waves or fire - I can't see Spidey being able to really hurt Venom, and as tough as Spidey is he would be vulnerable to Venom's ability to envelop him and any edged weapons he creates.

I would give this to Venom.

Let’s keep it close.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

This version of the symbiote has no reason to latch itself to Spider-Man, it's already partnered with Eddie Brock in such a strong bond.

MCU Spidey has shown signs of strength this Venom cannot compete with, so Spider-Man in this case, with ease.

 

[Stormborn]

Without prep, Venom usually beats Spidey in the comics and most adaptations.

I never bothered watching the Venom film though. The turd in the wind trailer, bad reviews and weird concept (a Venom origin story with no Spider-Man) put me off. Guess I'm sitting this one out.

On a sidenote, I do hope they don't retcon it into the MCU. I'd like to see the MCU adapt the Secret Wars/Alien Costume story instead.

 

[Docker2.0]

Without prep, Venom usually beats Spidey in the comics and most adaptations.

I never bothered watching the Venom film though. The turd in the wind trailer, bad reviews and weird concept (a Venom origin story with no Spider-Man) put me off. Guess I'm sitting this one out.

On a sidenote, I do hope they don't retcon it into the MCU. I'd like to see the MCU adapt the Secret Wars/Alien Costume story instead.

Pick a side man!!

 

[Stormborn]

Pick a side man!!

Like I said, I haven't seen Venom and don't plan on seeing it.

 

[InCali]

Pick a side man!!

I’m impressed. I can’t believe you actually had the nerve to say that.

 

[Luigi]

Spider-Man

Post FFH Spidey has a huge advantage over rookie Venom, not to mention the strength difference.

 

[jolldan]

Original first appearance of Captain Marvel in Avengers Age Of Ultron.

Not that Brie isn't but this lady is very pretty

Dormammu wins in controversy. Next up:

Spiderman

vs Venom

Who you got peeps?

Got to go with Venom for the win.
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1. Spidey doesn't have the previous experience with him to know his weaknesses (where as Peter has the pretty standard list of weaknesses like knifes and bullets). ​
2. Even with the "Instakill" mode of the Iron Spider he can only temporarily slowdown Venom. ​
3. Venom's insane regeneration means that unless Spidey does land something early with fire or sound he's facing a constantly regenerative foe. ​
4. Venom is also not above just sinking his teeth in to Spider-Man to maim/seriously injure him.​

 

[InCali]

I don't like the name of this thread, so I, by the power vested in me, am DEMANDING the change we all deserve. On the eve of the Iowa caucuses, we need to stand up and change the name of this thread. I, the one who stands above the high table, InCali, hereby decree my sidekick Doc do my bidding and inform our underlings to change the latter phrase from "for real this time" to "Confusion and Chaos".

So shall it be.

 

[Docker2.0]

I don't like the name of this thread, so I, by the power vested in me, am DEMANDING the change we all deserve. On the eve of the Iowa caucuses, we need to stand up and change the name of this thread. I, the one who stands above the high table, InCali, hereby decree my sidekick Doc do my bidding and inform our underlings to change the latter phrase from "for real this time" to "Confusion and Chaos".

So shall it be.

But I kind of agree.................I do want to change the title of this thread............

 

[Docker2.0]

So we end with a 2-2 tie...............what's up with that?! Next up:

Crossbone

vs Daredevil

Who you got peeps?

 

[Stormborn]

I'm kind of torn on this one.

Daredevil vs Crossbones (Winter Soldier)

Rumlow was one of SHIELD/Hydra's best combatants. In Winter Soldier we saw him last longer than anyone else against Cap in the elevator fight, embarrass Sharon Carter even though she had him at gunpoint and thrash Falcon.

Daredevil's on another level though. We've seen him fight his way through entire criminal gangs and small armies of hand ninjas, often whilst injured. He's also beaten far tougher, more skilled opponents than Rumlow (Nobu, Kingpin, Punisher, Bullseye).

Daredevil wins.

Daredevil vs Crossbones (with his Civil War battle suit)

In Civil War, Crossbones came back with a new armour/exoskeleton suit that gave him the strength and durability to easily overwhelm Black Widow and to give Captain America a challenge. He also has damaged nerve endings that gave him extreme pain tolerance.

We've seen Daredevil briefly hold his own against an extremely skilled superhuman before (resurrected Elektra) and I'm sure he could put up a fight here too. Ultimately though, Crossbones has the power/skill to overwhelm him whereas Matt just doesn't hit hard enough to put down an enemy that tanked multiple hits from Captain America.

Crossbones wins.

 

[Docker2.0]

So I take it you got Crossbones. This contest is with him in the suit. Also it's a fully rested Daredevil with his powers, his stick and suit.

 

[InCali]

I'm going to think about this until we get Controversy and Chaos (or vice versa) in the title page. I'm still trying to figure out which sounds better.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

CROSSBONES

No matter how skilled Daredevil is, Brock will overwhelm him.

 

[jolldan]

• Endurance: Firstly the tv marvel characters were (at least in my mind) always pitched as more grounded so even though Daredevil could take a lot of damage the effects and wear and tare did start to mount up, where as Crossbones could take punches from Cap and electric shocks from Widow. Edge Crossbones.
• Strength: The fact that with the gauntlets Rumlow could contend with Cap makes this one an easy pick. Edge Crossbones.
• Speed: Matt takes this one, while Rumlow was not exactly a snail he was never shown to be especially quick and due to his advanced reflexes Matt and acrobatic skills he clearly outshines him in this area. Edge Daredevil.
  
• Skills: In terms of combat training I would say they this where they are closest but I give the slight edge to Daredevil as we've seen him adapt to different opponents. Edge Daredevil.
• Weapons: Matt's billy clubs vs. Crossbones hydraulic gauntlets, both are melee weapons but while Matt's I would say are clearly the more versatile there is no denying Rumlow's are the more damaging. Think of when he punched Cap in the back that most likely would have been a back breaker for a regular human. Edge Crossbones.
• Armour: Harder to judge this one as to my knowledge we never really see how much damage Rumlow's armour can take where as we know Matt's can take a headshot (at least once) and helped him survive the cavein. Edge Daredevil.

So that's a draw from me so guess I have to pick what I think is better. Strength, Endurance and Weapons. vs. Speed, Skills and Armour. Simply due to the fact that Daredevil's other 5 senses are so highly tuned and I don't think this really came in to it (other than speed) I honestly think that could be enough to swing it in Matt's favour. Vey close either way you go though.

My winner is The Man Without Fear

 

[Stormborn]

So I take it you got Crossbones. This contest is with him in the suit. Also it's a fully rested Daredevil with his powers, his stick and suit.

Yeah, I guess so.

They're very similar fighters (extreme skill and agility but no powers) so I'd expect Daredevil to do about as well as Black Widow did:

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm going to think about this until we get Controversy and Chaos (or vice versa) in the title page. I'm still trying to figure out which sounds better.

You know how to change the title of the thread? Because I don't.

 

[Docker2.0]

Wait! Where's Batmannerism? Haven't seen him in a minute.....

 

[Docker2.0]

CROSSBONES

No matter how skilled Daredevil is, Brock will overwhelm him.

I guess our agreeing for awhile has come to an end.