MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Batmannerism]

Good reasoning, not sure if that would down Venom though or if he would just reform from the regen. They haven't displayed that level of durability like Venom has in the comics so I'm assuming not.

Deadpool regen is different though, seems near immediate at times but if it's extreme damage it takes longer. I guess if Venom can beat him to a pulp before he starts dicing limbs he's good. Bullets and grenades don't really effect venom from what we know just irritate him.

Venom 6/10

Has Venom reformed after Eddie's been blown into a bunch of different pieces ? Has Venom reattached Eddie's head after it's been blown off ? If not, I still say advantage Deadpool - as Venom can be defeated by dubstep, so advantage Deadpool again !

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm sure Eddie Brock knows how to deactivate a grenade and can tell the symbiote to block the pin holes to hold it and spit it out to explode away.

VENOM just needs to chew Deadpool's head and Wade will take a day or two to restore his head.

 

[Docker2.0]

Venom wins in a surprisingly lazy fight. Next up:

Ultron Prime

Vs Guardians of the Galaxy

Who you got peeps?

 

[Fosterson]

Venom wins in a surprisingly lazy fight. Next up:

Ultron Prime

Vs Guardians of the Galaxy


Who you got peeps?

Ultron. He was physically overpowering pre-Ragnarok Thor and required the combined power of Thor's lightning, Vision's Stone and Tony's repulsors to damage him.

I know people like to rag on MCU Ultron and say he was weak, but he was really stronger than folks usually give him credit for and he's certainly capable of stomping the Guardians. In fact, I fail to see how they can even damage him..

 

[Docker2.0]

Ultron. He was physically overpowering pre-Ragnarok Thor and required the combined power of Thor's lightning, Vision's Stone and Tony's repulsors to damage him.

I fail to see how the Guardians can put him down.

Is that GotG gif showing up?

 

[Fosterson]

Is that GotG gif showing up?

Not for me, no.

 

[Iceman]

I don't see the GotG gif either.

 

[Batmannerism]

Venom wins in a surprisingly lazy fight. Next up:

Ultron Prime

Vs Guardians of the Galaxy


Who you got peeps?

Guardians of the Galaxy. Rocket reprograms Ultron to think he's a toaster, game set and match.

Or, Quill distracts Ultron with dance moves and Rocket blasts him to pieces with the Hadron enforcer.

Or, Drax tells a Joke and while Ultron is deciding whether it's funny or not Yondu puts his OP arrow into Ultron's brain.

So GOTG all the way. They probably don't have the raw firepower to overpower him, but not every fight is won that way.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

That GotG gif is not working for me either.

ULTRON PRIME is very practical and a quick witted smartmouth and is quick to action, I don't expect him to lose or fall easy against the Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[Docker2.0]

Ok I fixed it guys. Hopefully now it is showing up.

 

[Batmannerism]

Ok I fixed it guys. Hopefully now it is showing up.

With the full GOTG squad I double down on this one, Ultron hasn't got a prayer - he's going to be dreaming of electric sheep in no time.

 

[Luigi]

GOTG

They're far more tenacious and craftier than their robotic foe and have gadgets and Yondu's arrow at their disposal.

 

[Batmannerism]

GOTG

They're far more tenacious and craftier than their robotic foe and have gadgets and Yondu's arrow at their disposal.

Some people on this thread seem to only look at raw might and undervalue craftiness, tenacity and when it comes to the Guardians, their teamwork and lateral thinking.

One other massive advantage that GOTG have in any battle is a willingness to sacrifice their own lives for each other or defeat an opponent (e.g. Groom's sacrifice, Rocket's kamikaze run, Peter grabbing the Infinity stone, Yondu's sacrifice).

 

[Docker2.0]

We end with a 2-2 ties. Next up:
Colossus

Vs Cap and Bucky

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

We end with a 2-2 ties. Next up:
Colossus

Vs Cap and Bucky

Who you got peeps?

Ultimate Falcon once defeated Colossus by holding a gun directly to his eyeball.

As such, Cap and Bucky about 6/10. They are faster and better fighters and Cap's shield should be able to cut Colossus ( it can cut steel elevator cable).

However, if Colossus lands a couple of serious blows they're in big trouble.

 

[Luigi]

Cap and Bucky

Cap was able to dent Ultron's chest with his shield and he'd probably be able to do the same to Colossus. Add in the extra support from Bucky and they have the win.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

We end with a 2-2 ties. Next up:
Colossus

Vs Cap and Bucky

Who you got peeps?

A battle of 'LANGUAGE' is what my friend commented on this right now, and it made me chuckle a bit.


I'm going with COLOSSUS, he will definitely not be easy to win against.

 

[Docker2.0]

A battle of 'LANGUAGE' is what my friend commented on this right now, and it made me chuckle a bit.


I'm going with COLOSSUS, he will definitely not be easy to win against.

 

[metaphysician]

Colossus vs Bucky and Cap:

Honestly, I give this one to Colossus. He is not the Hulk, but he seems to be pretty damn bricky going by both Deadpool movies, to the point that I'm a little skeptical that either Bucky or Cap could actually hurt him. Note that, unlike a certain armored megalomaniac, Colossus isn't subject to having the source of his protection be damaged by cumulative hits. Cap could certainly dodge and block attacks all day, but that just means the fight continues until someone gets tired.

One thing is certain, though: eventually as the duel continues, Steve and Piotr will start acting all boy scout at each other, until eventually Bucky is too busy groaning on the sideline to continue participating.

( Oh, re: Ult Falcon vs Colossus, not only is that scene irrelevant for the movie versions, but it was stupid and nonsensical even for the comics. Ult Colossus has walked around on the bottom of the ocean while towing a sub, his eyes are just as indestructible as the rest of him. Only rationalization possible is "Sam rolled a *really* good bluff check" )

 

[Fosterson]

Yeah, I'm going with Colossus. He's just too strong and tough. The only thing the team have that can damage him is the shield, and even then I'm willing to bet that Piotr can take a few hits from it, whereas even one solid punch from him will mess Steve and Bucky up badly.

Besides, Colossus, is faster and more skilled than people usually give him credit for:

So while Steve and Bucky might be faster than him, it's not like they'll be dancing around him. Piotr is capable of tagging them and from then on it's game over.

 

[Batmannerism]

First, happy new year everyone- Blwyddyn newydd dda i gyd !


Steve took a punch from Thanos ( in Infinity War), who KO'd the Hulk, and got up shortly after. Nothing we've seen Colossus do suggests he's in Hulk or Thanos' league.

And this...

Colossus nearly got his ticket punched by Angel Dust in Deadpool 1, and Bucky can distract him with Russian insults.

On a raw strength and toughness level Colossus is well above both Cap and Bucky, but it takes more than that to win a fight - otherwise Juggernaut would be invincible ( in the comics Spider Man has defeated Juggernaut) and Royce Gracie wouldn't have won the first UFC. If you try to match strength with strength, then a stronger opponent will always beat you - but skill, tactics and the environment play a big role. True, if the disparity of strength and toughness is massive then it may be too much to overcome - but IMO, I don't think the disparity is as much as some may think. Could Bucky and Cap beat Thor - no chance, unless they have asgardian weapons - could they beat Hulk, nope, Thanos ? Even with no stones or weapons or armour.....nope, because the disparity is too great.

Cap's shield easily cut through steel elevator cables in TWS. I believe that Colossus is in real danger of having that shield embedded in his head.

I still say Cap and Bucky can win more than 50% of the time.

However, I may be on the wrong side of the poll, the votes will tell.

 

[Fosterson]

First, happy new year everyone- Blwyddyn newydd dda i gyd !


Steve took a punch from Thanos ( in Infinity War), who KO'd the Hulk, and got up shortly after. Nothing we've seen Colossus do suggests he's in Hulk or Thanos' league.

The Russo's have more or less stated that Thanos was deliberately trying to avoid killing any of the heroes in Infinity War. He didn't have to fight any of them. He could have just incinerated them with the Power Stone or turned them intro bubbles, but he didn't due to his weird sense of honour. Most of the time, he only used the minimum level of force needed to subdue each hero without killing them. Ergo, the minimum level of force needed to subdue Hulk is a lot more than what is needed to subdue Steve.

As such, the fact that Steve survived a punch from Thanos needs to be viewed in this context. Thanos wasn't trying to kill Steve; if he had, his head would have come off. Steve isn't a threat to Thanos, so why would he use lethal force? The Russo's have also said that the only reason Cap was able to "resist" Thanos at the end of IW wasn't because of him having the strength to do so, but rather simply because Thanos was so bemused and shocked that a puny human would dare to stand against him with nothing but his bare hands.

In EG, we see that a blood-lusted Thanos was able to make Thor bleed in just a few hits. This is the same Thor who can shrug off hits like these:

A hit like that would turn Steve into red paste and you know it.

And this...

Not bad, but Tony wasn't trying to kill Steve there either. He mostly tried to subdue him in a non-lethal way so that he could focus on Bucky.

Not to mention that we've seen Tony punch way harder than this:

Cap's shield easily cut through steel elevator cables in TWS. I believe that Colossus is in real danger of having that shield embedded in his head.

Since when is Steve known for embedding his shield in the heads of his enemies? He didn't do it to Red Skull, Batroc, WS (before he knew he was Bucky) or Crossbones, so why's he gonna do it to a big Russian?

I can see that as a potential shot at victory for the team here, but in-character I just can't see Steve murdering a fellow hero so brutally.

And happy new year!

 

[InCali]

Cap and Bucky.

 

[Docker2.0]

First, happy new year everyone- Blwyddyn newydd dda i gyd !


Steve took a punch from Thanos ( in Infinity War), who KO'd the Hulk, and got up shortly after. Nothing we've seen Colossus do suggests he's in Hulk or Thanos' league.

And this...

Colossus nearly got his ticket punched by Angel Dust in Deadpool 1, and Bucky can distract him with Russian insults.

On a raw strength and toughness level Colossus is well above both Cap and Bucky, but it takes more than that to win a fight - otherwise Juggernaut would be invincible ( in the comics Spider Man has defeated Juggernaut) and Royce Gracie wouldn't have won the first UFC. If you try to match strength with strength, then a stronger opponent will always beat you - but skill, tactics and the environment play a big role. True, if the disparity of strength and toughness is massive then it may be too much to overcome - but IMO, I don't think the disparity is as much as some may think. Could Bucky and Cap beat Thor - no chance, unless they have asgardian weapons - could they beat Hulk, nope, Thanos ? Even with no stones or weapons or armour.....nope, because the disparity is too great.

Cap's shield easily cut through steel elevator cables in TWS. I believe that Colossus is in real danger of having that shield embedded in his head.

I still say Cap and Bucky can win more than 50% of the time.

However, I may be on the wrong side of the poll, the votes will tell.

I actually think Thanos was playing around with Cap and could have killed him with one punch. I don't know why people keep harping on that moment in Infinity War when Cap held up Thanos hand and Thanos "grimaced" for a second. He moved his hand at will and was clearly playing with Cap. You don't think if he hit Tony Stark full force when he was on Titan that he couldn't have killed him when his mask was off?

 

[Docker2.0]

Cap and Bucky.