MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Docker2.0]

Black Panther wins 4-0. Next up:

The Scarlett Witch

Vs the Ebony Maw

 

[Stormborn]

Scarlet Witch wins.

Her power is just on another level with feats like overwhelming Thanos in close quarters, tearing the heart out of vibranium Ultron, destroying the mind stone and lifting far, far more than we've seen Maw lift.

Plus Wanda can create force fields powerful enough to block just about any attack whereas Maw is far easier to hit because he has to levitate objects into the way of attacks to defend himself.

 

[Bayne]

This one is really tough for me. I don't think there's any doubt that Wanda's considerably more powerful, but her control is clearly inferior and her fighting remains mostly instinctive so far, where Maw is definitely a tactician. Most significant though is that her biggest weakness has been repeatedly shown as being taken by surprise by large/fast physical attacks from unexpected directions.That's literally Maw's greatest strength. So I think there is a real chance here for Maw to eek out a win, under the right circumstances. But Wanda could also do the same, under the right circumstances. It really depends on how the fight goes, who gets the first hit, how motivated/focussed Wanda is, etc.

I think I have to call this one a draw because I really can't pick a clear winner.

 

[Batmannerism]

Something the writers seem to have forgotten after Age of Ultron is that Wanda is telepathic - she can read and mess with people's minds. Not sure if Maw can do that.

Maw's telekinetic defense is not perfect- as he uses objects to block things - also, I notice that rather than grab a person he uses objects to grab them ( eg Dr Strange) which suggests that there are some limitations on his power - although he did fling away Cull, after Tony blasted him.

However, his most serious weakness is his tendency to talk his opponents to death.

Wanda has shown herself to be powerful enough to nearly crush Thanos - and her powers seem to increase on her level of emotion.

My scenario - they throw things at each other for a bit, then Maw says something that pisses Wanda off and she squashes him like a bug.

 

[Docker2.0]

Maw is not just a telekinetic. He's also a wizard who happened to contain Dr. Strange with the time stone. I think you guys are really underestimating Maw here.

 

[Stormborn]

Maw is not just a telekinetic. He's also a wizard who happened to contain Dr. Strange with the time stone. I think you guys are really underestimating Maw here.

I know the Russos called Maw a 'wizard' but he doesn't have any feats using anything other than telekinesis so to my mind he is 'just a telekinetic'. And he's a far weaker telekinetic than Scarlet Witch and can't put up force fields like she can.

Yes, he beat Strange but he did it by quickly restraining him before he could use any magic, not by overpowering him. If Strange had fought the way he fought Thanos later in the film he'd have squashed Maw like a bug.

 

[Docker2.0]

Well no, he also had those vines grow out of the ground to stop Strange. Let's not forget how he EASILY defeated Strange.

 

[Stormborn]

Well no, he also had those vines grow out of the ground to stop Strange. Let's not forget how he EASILY defeated Strange.

I'm pretty sure those were just pipes he used his TK to pull out of the ground and tie up Strange.

And sure, as I remember it, he got lucky and Strange made the mistake of letting him get close. Then he beat Strange by quickly restraining him before he could use any magic. It was the only way he could win because he's nowhere near as powerful as Strange or Wanda.

 

[Docker2.0]

I'm pretty sure those were just pipes he used his TK to pull out of the ground and tie up Strange.

And sure, as I remember it, he got lucky and beat Strange by quickly restraining him before he could use any magic. It was the only way he could win because he's nowhere near as powerful as Strange or Wanda.

He also restrained Strange pretty easily before he used those "pipes" and all. Geez man! You make it sound like Maw is a pushover. At not one point did Strange have ANY winning points against Maw. I don't think he's just telekinetic either. He knew of Strange's magic and even called it childish.

 

[Stormborn]

He also restrained Strange pretty easily before he used those "pipes" and all. Geez man! You make it sound like Maw is a pushover. At not one point did Strange have ANY winning points against Maw. I don't think he's just telekinetic either. He knew of Strange's magic and even called it childish.

For the record, I don't think Maw's a pushover.

His telekinesis is strong enough to throw Iron Man and Cull Obsidian around, he's got very precise control over it and he was fast enough to catch Black Panther and tie Strange up before he could cast a spell. The mini tornado in Endgame was a cool trick too.

On the other hand though, he's overconfident, he's not that durable, his only way of defending himself is to levitate objects into the way of attacks and his telekinesis is nowhere near as powerful as Wanda's powers (or Strange's best spells).

 

[Docker2.0]

For the record, I don't think Maw's a pushover.

His telekinesis is strong enough to throw Iron Man and Cull Obsidian around, he's got very precise control over it and he was fast enough to catch Black Panther and tie Strange up before he could cast a spell. The mini tornado in Endgame was a cool trick too.

On the other hand though, he's overconfident, he's not that durable, his only way of defending himself is to levitate objects into the way of attacks and his telekinesis is nowhere near as powerful as Wanda's powers (or Strange's best spells).

You love being difficult. I think I hate you.

 

[Docker2.0]

Scarlett Witch wins 2-1-1. Next up:
Captain Marvel

Vs. Hela

Who you got?

 

[Batmannerism]

Scarlett Witch wins 2-1-1. Next up:
Captain Marvel

Vs. Hela

Who you got?

Hela takes this.

It would be a mighty battle that would leave a planet in ruins but Hela wins in the end.

She's physically stronger than Thor even with his Ragnarok power up. Virtually unkillable and able to conjure blades that one shot kill asgardians . Able to crush Mjolnir with one hand and little effort. Fast and skilled enough to wipe out an asgardians army by herself. Odin himself couldn't overpower her.

Captain Marvel has some impressive feats, but not in a straight up fight against an opponent as deadly as Hela - and none against edged weapons.

I feel very comfortable saying Hela wins this one.

 

[Batmannerism]

I'm pretty sure those were just pipes he used his TK to pull out of the ground and tie up Strange.

And sure, as I remember it, he got lucky and Strange made the mistake of letting him get close. Then he beat Strange by quickly restraining him before he could use any magic. It was the only way he could win because he's nowhere near as powerful as Strange or Wanda.

Yeah I have to agree. If Maw was a wizard, why didn't he use his magic to remove the spell on the amulet containing the time stone ? Honestly he didn't display any powers other than telekinesis - and I've watched Infinity War a bunch of times at home. It was cables that Maw used to restrain Strange to stop him from opening the eye of Agomotto and using the time stone.

In that sense Maw used the perfect tactic to deal with Strange - which made sense after Strange and Wong sent his brick missiles straight back at him.

Wanda likes to gesture but doesn't have to ( eg when she releases a blast wave when Pietro is killed in A of U ).

 

[Stormborn]

Hela wins for all the reasons Batmannerism already gave.

She's far more skilled, comparably strong, has a healing factor and if her blades can cut Thor and Surtur then they'll cut Carol (who has no durability feats against edged weapons).

 

[Docker2.0]

Wow. Conspiracy abounds.

 

[metaphysician]

The Maw vs Scarlet Witch:

Okay, they are both glass cannons, so in theory, either of them can win. In practice? Unless the Maw can translate his skill and experience into a first round immediate incapacitation/kill? Wanda is going to take it, because she's just more powerful. She's pretty much the most powerful person in the setting who isn't some kind of cosmic godbeing.

Captain Marvel vs Hela:

Hela, and without much doubt or ambiguity. Carol is just outclassed. I mean, she's not going to die instantly or anything, but her absolute best damage dealing feats are not up to the level of the only attack we ever saw actually take Hela out ( Surtur blowing up Asgard ). Those building-sized Kree missiles she intercepted? Hela can throw stuff like that, too. . . only instead of merely being building-sized tech missiles, they are building sized magic death spears ( wherein the merely normal sized ones are capable of effortlessly killing Asgardians ). Flip side of the coin, Carol's durability has a lot of floating question marks, which is not a good place versus someone whose firepower is best categorized as "yes".

 

[Luigi]

Hela

Landslide of a victory. Probably wouldn't last more than 5 minutes.

 

[Docker2.0]

Hela wins 4-0. Next up:

Rocket and Groot

vs Falcon and the Winter Soldier

Who you got?

 

[Batmannerism]

Hela wins 4-0. Next up:

Rocket and Groot

vs Falcon and the Winter Soldier

Who you got?

Sam and Bucky take this.

Sam has some incendiary rockets ( or at least he did in Civil War).
Otherwise, if Cap's shield can cut steel cable, in Bucky's hands it will make short work of Groot. Either way, Groot is screwed.

Rocket isn't going to be able to fight Bucky at close quarters or catch Sam in aerial combat, also Bucky is usually packing plenty of firepower himself.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think you are selling Rocket short. In GoTG 2, he took out an entire army by himself. He wouldn't beat Bucky hand to hand but all he needs to stall until he can come up with a weapon.

 

[Bayne]

I give this one to Rocket and Groot. Sam and Bucky are great soldiers, but Rocket is the high-tech improvisational equivalent of Tony Stark, only with even higher tech. The things he can make make Sam and Bucky's weapons look like toys. He's also probably one of very few characters in these films who could easily outmaneuver Falcon.

And Bucky may be able to hurt Groot with his Vibranium arm, but let's not forget that one arm is all he has on that level - the rest of him is normal human, and Groot is basically near Hulk level strength as well as being stretchy to the point of near Mr. Fantastic/Ms. Marvel levels, which has canonically made him capable of taking out a dozen plus trained soldiers *simultaneously*. I don't think Bucky can blow through that very easily at all, and that is what it would take for Sam and Bucky to win this, because if Rocket gets more than 30 seconds to plan and outthink them, they're toast.

If Sam has the Shield (not sure if that's supposed to be part of this question or not) and some good ways to use it, that could be somewhat of an equalizer, but even then, I think Rocket and Groot squeeze out a win.

 

[Stormborn]

My bet would be on Rocket and Groot.

Falcon could probably beat Rocket in a flying contest but when it comes to firepower he's outclassed.

Winter Soldier is superhuman and far more skilled than Groot but Groot is far stronger and has a healing factor that can regrow limbs.

 

[Batmannerism]

And Bucky may be able to hurt Groot with his Vibranium arm, but let's not forget that one arm is all he has on that level - the rest of him is normal human,

Okay I need to point out that you seem to be going off the comic book versions.

Have you seen any films that Bucky appears in? He has a bunch of superhuman feats of strength ( although admittedly he heavily favours his bionic arm in hand to hand combat), but also durability ( surviving massive falls unharmed , leaping off buildings , taking full on punches from Iron Man ) and speed ( outrunning cars). If that's normal human where are you from, Krypton ? If all he had was a bionic arm then he wouldn't have lasted long against Cap or Black Panther in hand to hand, and he certainly did. Clearly Bucky has a similar level of enhancement to Cap.

and Groot is basically near Hulk level strength as well as being stretchy to the point of near Mr. Fantastic/Ms. Marvel levels, which has canonically made him capable of taking out a dozen plus trained soldiers *simultaneously*.

What ?Near Hulk level strength? Based on what ?
Drax and Gamora easily burst free of fully grown Groot's tendrils. I struggle to think of any significant strength feats other than impaling and smashing a bunch of Sakaarans.

You cannot compare MCU Groot to Mr Fantastic or Ms Marvel - because they don't exist in the MCU yet.

I don't think Bucky can blow through that very easily at all, and that is what it would take for Sam and Bucky to win this, because if Rocket gets more than 30 seconds to plan and outthink them, they're toast.

If Sam has the Shield (not sure if that's supposed to be part of this question or not) and some good ways to use it, that could be somewhat of an equalizer, but even then, I think Rocket and Groot squeeze out a win.

What feats does Rocket have in aerial combat? Other than keeping distance from a giant monster or angry planet tendrils? None. Sam has evaded air to air missiles..

However you have a point that Rocket is a superb tactician but his feats are against no name goons like the Ravagers and Ronan's Sakaran thugs. Sam and Bucky are in a different weight class.

If Rocket has some particularly cool gadgets he and Groot might win, but otherwise this is going to be a very tough fight.

 

[Luigi]

Rocket and Groot

Groot has a strength advantage and can instantaneously grow vines to attack and wrap either Bucky or Sam. Meanwhile, Rocket has his gadgets to keep them at a disadvantage.