MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Batmannerism]

Vision. No contest.

So far the only characters we've seen damage vibranium with raw strength are Thor and Thanos. Abom isn't on that level so he can't hurt Vision.

Plus Vision has flight, his density shifting and the mind stone. Blonsky's outclassed.

Cant argue with that !

 

[Batmannerism]

Vision. No contest.

So far the only characters we've seen damage vibranium with raw strength are Thor and Thanos. Abom isn't on that level so he can't hurt Vision.

Plus Vision has flight, his density shifting and the mind stone. Blonsky's outclassed.

Cant argue with that !

Fine! Vision wins 3-0.
Next up: the battle of the bugs:

The Amazing Spiderman

Vs The Ant Man

Spider Man narrowly. Ant Man is best against thugs and after FFH Spidey is a bit more experienced.it would be fun to watch but in the end I think Spidey would take out the win somehow.

 

[jolldan]

Im leaning towards Spider-Man because after FFH he does seem the more complete hero but after Endgame its a lot closer imo actually im calling it a draw. Scott could only previously hold himself as Giant Man in Civil War for a very short amount of time. Endgame he went the whole battle seemingly with ease.

Now I know Spidey can trip Scott up with his webbing but I don't see that being quite as effective if it doesn't force Scott to revert back to normal size like it did before, also worth noting Scott lands anything of note as Giant Man and its over.

I know he hit Spidey in Civil War but that seemed like more of unintentional backhand and even if it wasn't it didn't look like a maximum power attack from Scott.

In Endgame he straight up socked a Chitauri Leviathan with what looked like a similar amount of force that the Hulk did in the first Avengers. So he's definitely got some decent power.

 

[Fosterson]

In Endgame he straight up socked a Chitauri Leviathan with what looked like a similar amount of force that the Hulk did in the first Avengers. So he's definitely got some decent power.

Couldn't agree more. I think people are really downplaying Scott here tbh. If anything, his Leviathan feat is even more impressive than Hulk's, given that he wasn't pushed backwards by the momentum of the beast.

He also casually crushed Cull Obsidian like an ant. I know people tend to laugh at the Black Order, but it's worth remembering that Cull straight up defeated Bleeding Edge Iron Man twice, and was only stopped from killing Tony by timely interventions from Wong and Spider-Man respectively. Cull was also overpowering the Hulkbuster Armour, although it was being piloted by Bruce Banner at the time which probably made it less effective.

The fact that Scott was able to kill a Hulk-level being like Cull so easily definitely makes me wonder if Spider-Man will even be able to hurt him. In terms of raw strength, Scott is probably stronger than every Avenger who isn't called Carol Danvers.

As for Peter tying him up, it's worth remembering that Scott was distracted during the Civil War battle due to being attacked by Iron Man, War Machine and Vision. Here, Scott will be able to focus all his efforts on Spidey and let's remember that Pete still needed Tony and Rhodey to deliver the knock-out blow. And the longer that Spidey stays in close proximity to Scott, the greater the chance that he's going to get tagged and KO'd.

Scott takes it for me. He's come a long way from his first movie.

 

[Stormborn]

It seems we all agree that human sized/ant sized Scott would have no chance against Spidey.

As for Spider-Man vs Giant Man:

• I agree Endgame gave Giant Man a great strength feat hitting that Leviathan (although if we're splitting hairs he only turned it aside whereas Hulk straight up overpowered one and flipped it over).
• Even Spidey (a guy who's survived train and plane crashes plus a body slam from Thanos with no major injuries) would be KO'd if Scott lands a clean hit on him.
• The thing is though, Peter is far too fast and agile for Scott to hit. Especially after FFH.
  
• We saw in Civil War that a kick to the head from Spidey was enough to hurt/stagger Giant Man
• Plus Scott's legs can be webbed up
  
• Plus Scott can't stay at that size for long (he lasted four minutes in Civil War but supposedly slept for 3 days afterwards. He didn't use it for the whole Endgame final battle, just the first couple of minutes and then returned to normal size)

Overall, I still reckon Peter beats Scott more often than not.

 

[random_havoc]

Yeah I vote Peter

 

[Docker2.0]

Spiderman wins 4-2-1. Next up:

Daredevil

Vs Hawkeye

Who you got?

 

[Batmannerism]

Spiderman wins 4-2-1. Next up:

Daredevil

Vs Hawkeye

Who you got?

Hawkeye. Comic versions it would be DD, but while MCU DD is tough MCU Hawkeye is a badass who could probably match him in close quarters fighting skill. The way I see DD winning is if the fight is in the dark.

 

[Stormborn]

It'd be a closer fight than it would be in the comics but MCU Daredevil would definitely beat Hawkeye in close quarters.

• Clint's good enough to give Black Widow a close fight but he's never beaten her.
• Matt's beaten Punisher, Kingpin, Nobu, Bullseye and went toe to toe with superhumans like Iron Fist and Black Sky Elektra. Plus he's taken on small armies of criminals and hand ninjas.

If they start at a distance in an open space then obviously Clint wins.

If they start at a distance but there's cover for Matt to dodge between then he could probably close the distance - thanks to his armour, agility and super senses - and then win in a close quarters fight.

Overall, I vote Daredevil.

 

[jolldan]

Hawkeye. Comic versions it would be DD, but while MCU DD is tough MCU Hawkeye is a badass who could probably match him in close quarters fighting skill. The way I see DD winning is if the fight is in the dark.

Agreed I think the fights location likely decides the winner. If it’s any kind of wide open area I give Clint the edge. If it’s close quarters or at night I’m going with Matt.

 

[Stormborn]

Agreed I think the fights location likely decides the winner. If it’s any kind of wide open area I give Clint the edge. If it’s close quarters or at night I’m going with Matt.

It seems reasonable to assume this is a fair fight rather than a fight in pitch darkness where Daredevil would obviously win or a long distance fight in a wide open space where Hawkeye would obviously win.

In a fair fight (i.e. close quarters or an arena with cover to dodge between) I reckon Matt wins.

 

[random_havoc]

Hawkeye but close

 

[Docker2.0]

Daredevil wins 4-2. Next up:
Bucky and the Falcon

Vs Luke Cage and Iron First

Who you got people?

 

[Luigi]

Bucky and Sam

Danny is the weak link in the fight and Sam would be able to keep him preoccupied. Meanwhile, Luke would be put down by a punch from Bucky's metal arm.

 

[Bayne]

I'm not sure on whether/how either of them could *really* hurt Luke, but at the end of the day Danny just isn't reliable at all and he and Luke don't work together that well while Bucky and Sam are a bit of a well oiled machine together. Plus, Sam is the only person here who can fly and neither Luke or Danny have any ranged attacks, so...

Bucky and Sam win. Eventually.

 

[jolldan]

I have to with Luke & Danny (mostly just Luke) because I don't see anyway where Sam & Bucky can take him down for good.

I don't think either guy has shown to have anything like a Judas bullet in their arsenals.

 

[Stormborn]

This is an interesting one.

Luke Cage vs Winter Soldier would take a long time. They've both got similar superhuman strength, Bucky is more skilled and agile but Luke is ridiculously durable (bullets, knives and even rocket launchers don't hurt him and he's shrugged off multiple hits from superhumans before). It'll take a lot of hits from that metal arm to put Luke down but he won't just stand there and take it.

Danny is extremely skilled and his iron fist would probably one shot Sam (and maybe Bucky). But aside from magic punches he's only human and a missile from Falcon or a clean hit from Bucky would probably one shot him.

Falcon is the only ordinary human here but he has flight and missiles/guns attacks that can take out Danny.

I reckon Winter Soldier and Falcon might edge it but it'd be close.

 

[Docker2.0]

The Falcon and the Winter Soldier win 3-2. Next up:
Thor with Stormbreaker

And Captian Marvel

Vs Ego the living planet

Who you got people?

 

[Stormborn]

Thor and Carol are both powerful enough to defeat Ego's avatars and tear through his attempts to restrain them.

Question is, do they know about Ego's core?

 

[jolldan]

Thor & Carol curb stomp.

 

[Docker2.0]

Thor and Carol are both powerful enough to defeat Ego's avatars and tear through his attempts to restrain them.

Question is, do they know about Ego's core?

Nope. This is a random meet up match. On Ego.

 

[jolldan]

Nope. This is a random meet up match. On Ego.

Even without specific knowledge on how to kill him I think they're just both too big of tanks not to eventually chip enough of him away to expose his core.

I mean Thor pretty much vaporised a city and that was with Mjolnir and isn't Strombreaker meant to be even more powerful?

Captain Marvel made all those ships in her own movie and Thanos one in Endgame look like nothing.

 

[Docker2.0]

Yeah but he's a living planet!...............a living planet!

 

[Docker2.0]

Thor and Carol win 2-0...............barely.
Next up:
Loki

Vs. The GoTG

Who you got people?

 

[Stormborn]

Loki probably wins.

• Bulletproof and durable enough to take hits from Thor and a no holds barred beatdown from the Hulk.
• Strong, fast and skilled enough to toy with Captain America and contend with Valkyrie.
• Daggers that can cut through Thor's armour and wound him.
• Master of illusions

And that's if this is Loki without the mind stone sceptre or Gungnir. With either of those, the fight would become one sided.