MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Docker2.0]

Killmonger wins 4-1. Next up:

Kilmonger and Black Panther(with End Game suit)

vs Cull Obsidian

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

Killmonger wins 4-1. Next up:

Kilmonger and Black Panther(with End Game suit)

vs Cull Obsidian

Who you got peeps?

Difficult to say. Raw brute force can overpower the vibranium suits absorption function. Cull also carries edged weapons - and the other BO blades weapons are pretty nasty. He might actually be able to harm both BP and KM through the suits.

However if they tag team him they might inflict some pretty nasty damage with their vibranium claws. If they had vibranium spears I think they'd be able to kill him but otherwise their claws might not do enough damage before at least one of them dies - if not both.

I'll say Cull 6/10 and the tag team 4/10. So Cull narrowly - but I'm open to changing my mind if anyone brings up things I've ignored or failed to consider.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Cull Obsidian

 

[Batmannerism]

Cull Obsidian

Hello old friend !
Could you elaborate on that a bit please ? I agree but I'm interested in why you picked CO. Cheers.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Hello old friend !
Could you elaborate on that a bit please ? I agree but I'm interested in why you picked CO. Cheers.

Hey man.

I just looked at the gif of him pinning down the guy who mastered the rocket powered boot jets and made my decision.

 

[Stormborn]

Cull Obsidian

• Comparable strength to the Hulkbuster
• Durable enough to withstand Iron Man's firepower, hits from the Hulkbuster and the kinetic blast from Black Panther's suit without any harm. Plus he tanked multiple stab wounds from Drax and was fine in the next scene.
• Fast/skilled enough to almost kill nanotech Iron Man and to grab Spider-Man out of the air.

It'd be a long fight but I don't think T'Challa/Erik hit hard enough to take out Cull. On the other hand, the vibranium suits have limits and I can see Cull overpowering them.

 

[jolldan]

With both Killmonger & BP im going for them both

Too much of a chance for either guy to get in close and use their claws to land a fatal strike.

Also even though he has comparable strength to the Hulkbuster he was taken down by Banner operating it who seemed like a borderline novice with the technology. Compare that to BP who is a master of his own tech and Killmonger who is a trained assassin.

 

[Luigi]

Cull Obsidian

Vibranium suits provide plenty of protection but they wouldn't be able to harm Cull. His durability is far greater than theirs. Probably the first time that I've voted in favor of a Black Order member.

 

[Batmannerism]

Cull Obsidian

Vibranium suits provide plenty of protection but they wouldn't be able to harm Cull. His durability is far greater than theirs. Probably the first time that I've voted in favor of a Black Order member.

Same. Usually BO members go down pretty quickly to most MCU good guys - and I think a lot of people overrated Ebony Maw whenever he's shown up in a poll.

Proixma Midnight and Corvus Glaive vs Luke Cage and Iron Fist might be a good one. Or maybe Proxima or Glaive vs Electra and /or Okoye ?

IMO Glaive really only gets the better of Cap because he was distracted trying to protect Vision - if it had been Cap with his shield and not protecting anyone he'd have dropped CG.

 

[metaphysician]

Bucky vs Killmonger:

Killmonger. The vibranium suit is too much of an advantage, especially since Bucky is primarily a specialist in ranged combat ( with weapons that would be 100% useless against the suit ). Its not that there is no way someone can hurt Killmonger ( the suits don't seem to block all incoming damage, just most of it ), but. . . Bucky has no edge to balance this out. Its essentially a battle between two peers, except one of them is also 90% immune to damage.

( If this were Steve instead, whose much more of a melee expert, and comes with a vibranium weapon of his own, than the outcome might be different. )

 

[metaphysician]

Cull Obsidian vs Black Panther/Killmonger:

Cull Obsidian, and its not especially close. Let me phrase it as a simple question- how would this pair do against the Hulk?

Exactly. Its two unusually agile guys fighting someone that they cannot meaningfully hurt in any way, and whose strength is such that they cannot afford to be hit, because it will clobber them, vibranium suit or not.

 

[Docker2.0]

Same. Usually BO members go down pretty quickly to most MCU good guys - and I think a lot of people overrated Ebony Maw whenever he's shown up in a poll.

Proixma Midnight and Corvus Glaive vs Luke Cage and Iron Fist might be a good one. Or maybe Proxima or Glaive vs Electra and /or Okoye ?

IMO Glaive really only gets the better of Cap because he was distracted trying to protect Vision - if it had been Cap with his shield and not protecting anyone he'd have dropped CG.

 

[Docker2.0]

Cull Obsidian wins in 5-2. Next up:

Proixma Midnight and Corvus Glaive

Vs the Defenders

Question: the Corvus Glaive's blade was able to pierce Vision so that he couldn't phase. Do you think it can pierce Cage's skin?

Anyway, who you got peeps?

 

[Stormborn]

Corvus and Proxima

Both characters are at least Captain America level power wise and durable enough to shrug off being thrown around like ragdolls by Scarlet Witch. They're both highly skilled and Corvus has a blade that can cut through vibranium/Asgardians.

• Iron Fist is the Defender's MVP since he hits hard enough to hurt Corvus/Proxima and he's skilled enough to land a hit or two. His speed/durability are only human though so they'll probably take him out first.
• Luke Cage is the most durable character here and has comparable strength to Corvus/Proxima but he's slower and less skilled. Corvus' blade would probably make short work of him.
• Jessica Jones is less superhuman and far less skilled than Corvus/Proxima. She isn't much of a threat to them.
• Daredevil just isn't strong enough to hurt Corvus/Proxima. He can try to dance around/distract them but considering Proxima beat Okoye/Widow in 30 seconds Matt's going down.

Question: the Corvus Glaive's blade was able to pierce Vision so that he couldn't phase. Do you think it can pierce Cage's skin?

Definitely. Luke Cage is bulletproof but Vision was on another level. He took hits from Ultron, was unharmed by being thrown through multiple floors of concrete by Scarlet Witch and didn't even flinch when Giant Man hit him with a bus.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I doubt the Defender would win against these two, not when they can stand up to the super strong version of Cap presented in the MCU.

Question: the Corvus Glaive's blade was able to pierce Vision so that he couldn't phase. Do you think it can pierce Cage's skin?

Judas bullet is made from Chitauri armor which was dented and broken by the Avengers (including Cap and Widow), so I'd have to answer your question with yes.

 

[Stormborn]

Judas bullet is made from Chitauri armor which was dented and broken by the Avengers (including Cap and Widow), so I'd have to answer your question with yes.

To be fair, he got a power boost at the end of season 1 and was immune to Judas Bullets in Season 2. He's also shrugged off firebombs and RPGs and held power tools against his skin to show off (they broke).

Still, if hits from Elektra, Iron Fist and Bushmaster can hurt him then he's nowhere near Vision's level.

 

[metaphysician]

Proxima Midnight and Corvus Glaive vs the Defenders:

Team Black Order in a stomp. They are each in the same rough league as Captain America, and. . . I'll be blunt: Captain America could solo the Defenders, and it wouldn't be especially close. Neither of them are quite as capable as Cap, but there are two of them. On top of that, Proxima has ranged attacks that only Luke can afford to be hit by even once, and Corvus has a melee weapon that *none* of them can afford to be hit by, ever.

If it were just one of them, the Defenders might have a slight chance of pulling an upset via some kind of incredibly bloody sacrifice play to distract and disarm the opponent ( think "Luke takes a glaive through the chest, but then grabs on before he dies and forces Corvus to either get grabbed by Jessica or abandon his weapon, allowing someone to use it" ). With two of them? Nope.

 

[Batmannerism]

I'm going against the grain and saying the Defenders all the way - although with some likely casualties ( Matt probably won't survive this encounter)

Iron Fist is easily fast enough to evade blows from either Corvus or Proxima. If he teams up with Luke they'll defeat either of them. We haven't seen any strength feats from Corvus or Proxima that are close to Luke's or any real durability feats either- given that Cap and Corvus were pretty even in a fistfight and Proxima ( while having low level super strength) hasn't shown anything much in the way of durability except for getting thrown around by the Scarlet Witch - and I suggest she wasn't using anywhere near her full power ( as she was fighting 2.of them at once and protecting Vision) unlike what she did to Thanos in Endgame. They have good resistance to falls and impacts but 0e

Jessica Jones + Daredevil will win if they take on Glaive. Given that Black Widow was able to evade his blows and nearly kill him - Daredevil should be able to as well, and keep him distracted long enough for Jessica to disarm him. She's stronger than Cap so she could probably overpower Glaive - and if she gets ahold of the Glaive itself then he's one stab away from death.

JJ and DD vs Proxima is probably a bit more one sided. Not sure if Proxima could overpower JJ with sheer strength but she's probably more skillful.

If you give the Defenders Elektra then this fight doesn't last long.

 

[Stormborn]

Iron Fist is easily fast enough to evade blows from either Corvus or Proxima. If he teams up with Luke they'll defeat either of them.

Iron Fist and Luke Cage vs Proxima? Yeah, they'd have a good chance but she'd make them work for it and I don't see Iron Fist easily evading every blow.

Iron Fist and Luke Cage vs Corvus? Maybe, maybe not. Corvus blade could easily take out Luke and then it'd be a one on one fight.

The problem is Jessica Jones and Daredevil would lose the other fight way more quickly and then it'd be 2 on 2.

We haven't seen any strength feats from Corvus or Proxima that are close to Luke's .

Corvus overpowered Cap and was fairly even with a weakened Vision. Proxima ragdolled Okoye and Cap had to visibly strain to block an attack from her.

or any real durability feats either except for getting thrown around by the Scarlet Witch

Wanda threw Proxima with enough force to split a truck in half and she was fine seconds later.

Corvus took blows from Cap's vibranium gauntlets and wasn't hurt at all when Vision slammed into a building with enough force to shatter the brickwork.

Black Widow was able to evade his blows and nearly kill Corvus - Daredevil should be able to as well

Black Widow stabbing Corvus was an awesome bit of skill/teamwork but she only dodged one swing from Corvus and it probably helped that Falcon was firing missiles from the other direction seconds earlier. Matt could dance around Corvus for a while but as soon as he takes a hit he's finished whereas he has no way of hurting Corvus.

Black Widow/Okoye lasted about 30 seconds against Proxima so I can't see Matt evading her forever either.

Jessica's stronger than Cap so she could probably overpower Glaive

What makes you think that?
The best strength feat I can remember for MCU Jessica is lifting the back wheels of a car off the ground.

Plus Jessica's unskilled and not that durable so Corvus/Proxima would take her out quickly.

 

[Batmannerism]

Iron Fist and Luke Cage vs Proxima? Yeah, they'd have a good chance but she'd make them work for it and I don't see Iron Fist easily evading every blow.

Iron Fist and Luke Cage vs Corvus? Maybe, maybe not. Corvus blade could easily take out Luke.

The problem is Jessica Jones and Daredevil would lose the other fight way more quickly and then it'd be 2 on 2.



Corvus overpowered Cap and was fairly even with a weakened Vision. Proxima ragdolled Okoye and Cap had to visibly strain to block an attack from her.


Wanda threw Proxima with enough force to split a truck in half and she was fine seconds later.

Corvus took blows from Cap's vibranium gauntlets and wasn't hurt at all when Vision slammed into a building with enough force to shatter the brickwork.


Black Widow stabbing Corvus was an awesome bit of skill/teamwork but she only dodged one swing from Corvus and it probably helped that Falcon was firing missiles from the other direction seconds earlier. Matt could dance around Corvus for a while but as soon as he takes a hit he's finished whereas he has no way of hurting Corvus.

Black Widow/Okoye lasted about 30 seconds against Proxima so I can't see Matt evading her forever either.



What makes you think that?
The best strength feat I can remember for Jessica is lifting the back wheels of a car off the ground.

Plus Jessica's unskilled and not that durable so Corvus/Proxima would take her out quickly.

Iron Fist has super reflexes ( he's blocked bullets) he's going to be highly effective against either Proxima or Corvus - team him up with Luke Cage and either Black Order member gets a beat down.

While Corvus is great at stabbing people in the back and does fight off some of the Dora Milaje in a straight up fight Okoye kills him straight away.

I take your point about Proxima's toughness - but what's her best strength feat.....other than overpowering Black Widow ? IMO Jessica can at least mix it up with her.

Given that this fight is 2 on 1 ( well 4 on 2) Matt only has to act as a distraction ( which is what Black Widow did, unintentionally, giving Scarlet Witch enough time to recover and kill her ) while his team mates beat on Proxima and Corvus.

Something else is that the Black Order carry weapons that get turned against them rather easily .

In conclusion Corvus and Proxima are great against no names and opponents with no super powers but I can't see them beating the Defenders , all of whom have super powers, and 4 vs 2 when Cap, Falcon and Widow wiped the floor with them with only a 3 on 2 advantage.

Agree to disagree I guess - looks like I'm in the minority on this one anyway.

 

[Docker2.0]

The Black Order win 4-1, sorry Batmannerism. Next up:

Cull Obsidian

vs Abomination

Saw this on youtube and figured we should try it here. Who you got peeps?

 

[Docker2.0]

Ok.............this is kind of OT for me but it's something that has really bothered me. This is a comic book fight with the comic book counterparts.
Marvel universe Kingpin

vs Batman

Just put it with the other contest. But Kingpin has no powers but has routinely PHYSICALLY beaten Spiderman and Daredevil among other heroes. So how does he stack up with the dark knight?

 

[Batmannerism]

Ok.............this is kind of OT for me but it's something that has really bothered me. This is a comic book fight with the comic book counterparts.
Marvel universe Kingpin

vs Batman

Just put it with the other contest. But Kingpin has no powers but has routinely PHYSICALLY beaten Spiderman and Daredevil among other heroes. So how does he stack up with the dark knight?

Batman wins, no question for me.

He routinely fights people with super powers and wins - occasionally including Superman. Kingpin is still human ( a very strong and tough human, but only human) - the bit in the Spider verse film where he kills Spider Man with his bare hands is just crap - if Spidey is strong enough to lift a truck ( which means his bones/muscles etc are super tough) the KP shouldn't be able to hurt him that much with just his strength alone.

On a purely physical level Kingpin is stronger and more durable than Batman, but Batman is probably at least if not more skilled, a better tactician and cheats by using gadgets.

At the end of the day a human body is a human body - Kingpin has the same weak points the rest of us have, ( kneejoints, noses, eyes, eardrums etc) and while his massive size protects some of them ( like his carotid arteries to some degree) Batman is a master of using those weak points and hurting people.

Kingpin has beaten a weakened Daredevil but has he ever beaten Matt at full health ? Same with Spider Man ?

 

[Batmannerism]

The Black Order win 4-1, sorry Batmannerism. Next up:

Cull Obsidian

vs Abomination

Saw this on youtube and figured we should try it here. Who you got peeps?

No problem, majority rules- just so long as people respect each other's opinions.

As for the fight, I'm going with Cull Obsidian.

Abomination couldn't beat the Hulk, despite a huge skill advantage.

Ironically, if you had super soldier Blonsky armed with a gun that could hurt Cull, ( or Corvus' Glaive) I think he'd have a better chance.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'll go for Abomination on this one.

Abomination couldn't beat the Hulk, despite a huge skill advantage.

In both skill and strength he's above the levels of Hulk. Still, the madder Hulk gets the stronger he becomes, which was subtly presented in the film.