Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

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Yeah, I can see that too. Hit all the political talking points that I hear from the black left. Even some **** I said lol.

Some people accuse Coogler of being unfair or overbearing. I think its the opposite, he was being unsubtle with Killmonger in both directions, very intentionally. The references to various ultra-radical black movements, and the direct quotes from stuff like the British empire? Meant to be a very obvious anvil for why, however sympathetic Killmonger/his ideals might be, they are also the bad guy.
 
These two images perfectly encapsulate the atmsophere, mood and vibe that the MCU X-Men movies should have, particularly the first movie

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And as an extension, this tone

 
Atmosphere, mood, and vibe that the comics desperately need as well right now (although the current Age of X-man is delivering on some very interesting things).
 
Atmosphere, mood, and vibe that the comics desperately need as well right now (although the current Age of X-man is delivering on some very interesting things).
I'm wayyy behind on the comics right now. The last time I really kept up was 2009-2014/2016. Between the Messiah complex trilogy > Avengers vs X-Men > O5 coming back/All-New, All Different> Bendis' Uncanny X-Men> Inhumans vs X-Men and X-Men Gold. I've recently started to catch up these last few months with Blue and X-Men: Red but last I heard, Red has become Uncanny X-Men and Cyclops is back from the dead and apparently reformed. X-Men: Extermination. So I'm trying to get my reading list in order just been very busy with work
 
I'm wayyy behind on the comics right now. The last time I really kept up was 2009-2014/2016. Between the Messiah complex trilogy > Avengers vs X-Men > O5 coming back/All-New, All Different> Bendis' Uncanny X-Men> Inhumans vs X-Men and X-Men Gold. I've recently started to catch up these last few months with Blue and X-Men: Red but last I heard, Red has become Uncanny X-Men and Cyclops is back from the dead and apparently reformed. X-Men: Extermination. So I'm trying to get my reading list in order just been very busy with work

You're not too far behind! Blue leads into Extermination (5 issue event) and The Exterminated (a one shot). Red ends and Uncanny is its own thing that just set up the next few months of comics. There have been a lot of really good individual books in the last couple years (Jean Grey, Iceman, Rogue and Gambi, X23, Mr and Mrs Smith, Red), but there hasn't been much of a cohesive vision. Looks like that's changing now
that there is yet another extinction event :(
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they tied him to Sokovia. Just like his twins, if they retcon that.

Post-Ultron, have a Sokovian civil war break out, and he escaped an internment camp there.
It would not even have to be post Ultron. The back story of Zemo in Civil War had him fighting some kind of dirty war where he was said to head a death squad. On the other hand since the Shoah was introduced to Magneto's backstory to ignore it now leaves Disney/Marvel open to charges of white washing a character history. But I will admit given the current real world political climate that is less likely to happen with a Jew than with members of other ethnic and racial groups.
How would Charles be in space when the Shi'ar aren't formally introduced yet? Why/when did he die? How would he be banished from Campus when he owns the school? if not him, then who would? The school is literally named after him. You'd have to change the name too.

All of these are half-baked excuses to get one of the most important characters out of the franchise
I was skipping through the thread but all that was said was Charles in space. We know the Ravengers came to earth in the MCU past to collect Peter Quill. Why not other groups on slave raid/recruiting missions? It can be an explanation for older combat skilled mutants. Since the Inhumans are probably now gone from the MCU just as the Kree saw Inhumans as an asset in the abandoned project other races could have sensed the X gene and snatched away potentials over the years. Meanwhile before the Battle of New York humanity just waved off stories of those weird people disappearing into UFOs.
 
You're not too far behind! Blue leads into Extermination (5 issue event) and The Exterminated (a one shot). Red ends and Uncanny is its own thing that just set up the next few months of comics. There have been a lot of really good individual books in the last couple years (Jean Grey, Iceman, Rogue and Gambi, X23, Mr and Mrs Smith, Red), but there hasn't been much of a cohesive vision. Looks like that's changing now
that there is yet another extinction event :(
There seems to be an attempt to remake the X-Men back into a more traditional team I'm guessing. I'm excited to see Scott's reaction to Jean coming back from the dead, after everything he had been through in the last 12 years since she died. I'm getting there :wowe:
 
When we get a MCU X-Men film I can see the comics having a lineup that mirrors the team chosen for that first film.
 
That's not the only point of the Dark Phoenix Saga, though. She ate that sun after being violated by Mastermind.

Take it up with Claremont. That's his public statement that indeed Jean/Phoenix's destruction of that star and the entire society of aliens that depended on it had symbolic and metaphoric connections to sexual satisfaction and it's ability to blind people from rational thought or bend, even break one's moral code. Sure... Lots of other writers have retconned the Jean/Phoenix thing to LAUGHABLE lengths in the past 3 decades but to say that the original writer is so thoroughly wrong about his own creation by saying there was no obvious sexual component to his story when he explicitly says that there is?

I'll leave that up to the reading public at large online to judge.
 
When we get a MCU X-Men film I can see the comics having a lineup that mirrors the team chosen for that first film.

Well it seems like they're pushing Jean, Bishop, Scott, Logan, Storm, Kitty, Nightcrawler, X-23 and Colossus as the leads pretty hard right now

how would people feel about that being the roster??

also, and I'm sure this has been discussed, but what if Nightcrawler was Latino instead of German?
Latin countries are heavy on the catholicism and superstition, seems like it would be a pretty easy way to add a bit of representation (even though some will complain because he's blue... maybe use an image inducer at points to show the actor naturally?)
 
Well it seems like they're pushing Jean, Bishop, Scott, Logan, Storm, Kitty, Nightcrawler, X-23 and Colossus as the leads pretty hard right now

how would people feel about that being the roster??
As long as they don't bring in Angel, Iceman, Beast, etc as their students as the films move towards their trilogy. We can already rewatch that.

Besides Colossus has a place with Deadpool.
 
Yeah no, the other O5 could just be off doing their own things
-Beast is working on his PhD
-Angel is vacationing abroad and being groomed to take over Worthington Industries
-Iceman is working as an Ice Sculptor for fancy people's weddings...lol

In the second film they can get pulled back in to help the team
 
These two images perfectly encapsulate the atmsophere, mood and vibe that the MCU X-Men movies should have, particularly the first movie

WSH5NNE.jpg

wgzN9vx.jpg


And as an extension, this tone


Eliminate the green booger from existence and I agree with everything else.
 
Well it seems like they're pushing Jean, Bishop, Scott, Logan, Storm, Kitty, Nightcrawler, X-23 and Colossus as the leads pretty hard right now

how would people feel about that being the roster??

also, and I'm sure this has been discussed, but what if Nightcrawler was Latino instead of German?
Latin countries are heavy on the catholicism and superstition, seems like it would be a pretty easy way to add a bit of representation (even though some will complain because he's blue... maybe use an image inducer at points to show the actor naturally?)
Remove Bishop and the two Wolverines and I'd be game.
 
Bishop is the perfect sequel character.

Take it up with Claremont. That's his public statement that indeed Jean/Phoenix's destruction of that star and the entire society of aliens that depended on it had symbolic and metaphoric connections to sexual satisfaction and it's ability to blind people from rational thought or bend, even break one's moral code. Sure... Lots of other writers have retconned the Jean/Phoenix thing to LAUGHABLE lengths in the past 3 decades but to say that the original writer is so thoroughly wrong about his own creation by saying there was no obvious sexual component to his story when he explicitly says that there is?

I'll leave that up to the reading public at large online to judge.

When did I say Claremont was wrong?? The DPS is about trauma and violation. It's no coincidence that Jean seeks out that destructive satisfaction after reclaiming control of her body from Mastermind. A major point in the DPS is: stop controlling women.
 
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I might be the only one but I actually think Daniel Radcliffe would make a great Wolverine. This convinced me:


While obviously not ugly I don't think he has the classic Hollywood look to him which is a plus. There's something unique about his look. He's only 5'5 so we'd get our short Logan. I like how the facial hair looks in this image. Just put him on a training regimen to get him where he needs to be physically to play Wolverine and do the rest with makeup. Add some scars and whatnot (obviously not the lightning bolt scar though! :D) I don't think anyone would question his acting talent. I like it!
 
My only issue with him is his voice is very boyish

Now if he ALSO goes on a strict regimen of smoking a box of cigars every day for a year, then maybe
 
Bishop is the perfect sequel character.



When did I say Claremont was wrong?? The DPS is about trauma and violation. It's no coincidence that Jean seeks out that destructive satisfaction after reclaiming control of her body from Mastermind. A major point in the DPS is: stop controlling women.
This. Bishop needs proper set up in order to be done properly. And it also allows Marvel to dip their fingers back into the idea of a post-apocalyptic future where mutants are put in internment camps and treated like animals (which we could later learn is the result of Scott and Jean's own daughter: Hope) without doing DOFP again.

Bishop is a character Marvel should have a long game plan for, considering the massively important role he plays post M-Day (if they ever go down that route)
 
I still would take alden ehrenreich as Logan. Or possibly milo gibson as a young upstart.
 
which we could later learn is the result of Scott and Jean's own daughter: Hope

No no no, Nathan or Rachel can be their child, Hope is not, she represents something else entirely
but you are correct on Bishop, he does need some buildup
Bishop is just getting a lot of "screen time" in the comics, so it seems like he may get a push in the films, not to say he would be there right away in the first film
 
This. Bishop needs proper set up in order to be done properly. And it also allows Marvel to dip their fingers back into the idea of a post-apocalyptic future where mutants are put in internment camps and treated like animals (which we could later learn is the result of Scott and Jean's own daughter: Hope) without doing DOFP again.

Bishop is a character Marvel should have a long game plan for, considering the massively important role he plays post M-Day (if they ever go down that route)

I'm picturing Bishop, born and raised in a camp who grew up to be in the XSE and the X-men's biggest fanboy, tracking a human criminal back in time to meet the X-men who end up being nothing like perfect heroes he thought they were. That's a pretty fun hook for a sequel.

I hate the direction Bishop went in after M-Day, but the MCU has experience adapting subpar stories and making them better than the original comics.
 
Well it seems like they're pushing Jean, Bishop, Scott, Logan, Storm, Kitty, Nightcrawler, X-23 and Colossus as the leads pretty hard right now

how would people feel about that being the roster??

also, and I'm sure this has been discussed, but what if Nightcrawler was Latino instead of German?
Latin countries are heavy on the catholicism and superstition, seems like it would be a pretty easy way to add a bit of representation (even though some will complain because he's blue... maybe use an image inducer at points to show the actor naturally?)
To be fair I’d take any combination of the core 20 or so X-Men as long as the foundational characters like Scott, Jean, Storm and for me Beast are involved. My preferences would be for Rogue, Psylocke and Iceman too (possibly as a student). If they are doing younger students then throw in Jubilee and Kitty too. Outside of that I have no objections at all to the likes of Colossus and Nightcrawler (particularly if we are going to have a villain that is a negative for religion) kicking things off. As for Bishop I think he needs to come later to be most effective. I’d also prefer Wolverine be saved for a sequel and X-23 for at least a 2nd sequel, although she could appear outside of X-films with Wolverine.
 
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