Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[psylockolussus]

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Eternals
Black Widow
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
Blade
Spider-Man: No More Home
Ant-Man III
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
Captain Marvel Present Day
Black Panther II
Thor Love and Thunder
Avengers Five
and who knows if Eternals and Shang-Chi get their second movie three years after their first one.

Like I said before, Marvel Studios has a lot in their plate right now. Deadpool is 1 IP and Ryan Reynolds appeared in 3 FoXverse movies. They have a lot of options. And they won't lose a lot by not hiring Reynolds as Deadpool. They are rebooting the Mutants and the Fantastic Four for film after the last movie of those two flopped. Rebooting Deadpool from scratch and getting a new Deadpool imo, isn't a huge risk Xpecially given MCU's track record at the boX office.

 

[Ctfxcwatcher]

Making a Deadpool without Ryan...idk how many would feel about that.

 

[psylockolussus]

If the future MCU movies are good enough Xpecially Mutants, then its not going to be a deal breaker. If they can turn the mutants and the Fantastic Four into success stories, then I don't see why they cant do the same thing by recasting/rebooting Deadpool and making it successful. By 2024, it would be siX years since Deadpool Reynolds appeared in a movie.

 

[Marvel united]

Making a Deadpool without Ryan...idk how many would feel about that.

It shouldn't happen. If Ryan isn't Deadpool, time to retire the character imo

 

[SumT]

is Ryan God or something?

lol at a property stopping just because one actor doesnt play him again...

 

[CaptainWagner]

I also really want to see Darwin in the MCU

And now you've made me remember how Darwin got red-shirted in First Class.

 

[Mad Ones]

My annoyance with First Class intensifies as the years pass.

Take that back!

This iconic portrait says so much about the quality of his art and his personality lol

 

[Marvel united]

is Ryan God or something?

lol at a property stopping just because one actor doesnt play him again...

If Ryan can play the part then there's no reason Marvel can't use him. He is to Deadpool what Downey and Jackman were to Iron Man and Wolverine.

The reason why Deadpool is as popular as he is today is because of Reynolds' years of pushing for the project

And now you've made me remember how Darwin got red-shirted in First Class.

The first time I saw it in the theater, I was thinking to myself: "Really? Y'all gonna kill the only brother in the movie? One whose power is specifically that he can't be killed??"

That was a low point in a great movie. Darwin had so much potential

 

[EnDz0n3]

I mean the movie that had every single female character winnow down to their underwear had a "minority" problem? Say it isn't so!

This iconic portrait says so much about the quality of his art and his personality lol

I've seen some people online defend that art on the right. That Cap's shield is hiding his curve in his back lol

 

[CaptainWagner]

I mean the movie that had every single female character winnow down to their underwear had a "minority" problem? Say it isn't so!

Yeah, First Class still seems to get a lot of praise around here and I really don't get it. McAvoy and Fassbender gave great performances. But it's full of problems like this, the story is haphazard and all the mutants who aren't Charles/Raven/Eric/Beast are non-characters.

 

[Mad Ones]

Lingerie is the first thing that comes to my mind when I think of Moira.

 

[fan4stic]

Yeah, First Class still seems to get a lot of praise around here and I really don't get it. McAvoy and Fassbender gave great performances. But it's full of problems like this, the story is haphazard and all the mutants who aren't Charles/Raven/Eric/Beast are non-characters.

I don't necessarily think that. But what I do think is that Magneto issues, to me, feel more boiled down into a more generic, less grand, to me, characterization. Xavier is oddly characterized, to me, and his arc feels secondary to Magneto's to me. A part of Raven's character I buy, but I think making her more about whether or not she's seen as pretty so much to me, is a little childish. I think the movie is messier written and doesn't so much earn it's character connections, to me, in ways. And that it rushes to get to the big things, where Erik vs Charles happens, with Erik becoming a villainous figure, Raven joins Erik, Hank becomes Beast, Erik gets his Magneto helmet and Charles is paralyzed all in the span of, I think a day or 2.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Lingerie is the first thing that comes to my mind when I think of Moira.

Next thing you'll tell me this is Angel Salvadore from the comics, which is an obvious lie. Surely no director would retcon that into a stripper just so he can have a fourth female character end up in their skivvies.

 

[Mad Ones]

Ah yes, Angel Salvador. Sebastian Shaw’s second most iconic silent henchwoman just behind Emma.

 

[Marvel united]

Yeah, First Class still seems to get a lot of praise around here and I really don't get it. McAvoy and Fassbender gave great performances. But it's full of problems like this, the story is haphazard and all the mutants who aren't Charles/Raven/Eric/Beast are non-characters.

That's because First Class encapsulates and captures the philosophy of the X-Men like no other. Yes, it's not about the X-Men as a team but it's more so about establishing the "idea" of the X-Men and seeding the two main clashing ideologies that will define this franchise.

The story is told from the POV of Charles and Erik but they aren't the only ones who get arcs or introspective scenes that tie into the theme of peaceful co-existence or "assimilation" vs. Objective superiority.

So many great things about the film without even getting into the brilliant execution of the evolution and dissolution of Charles and Erik's relationship in the movie. I love the world Vaughn created, I love how characters and relationships feel natural, emotional without being muted. No X-Men film has matched the power of this scene for me:

I mean the movie that had every single female character winnow down to their underwear had a "minority" problem? Say it isn't so!

I've seen some people online defend that art on the right. That Cap's shield is hiding his curve in his back lol

First Class takes place in 1962 to be fair. Misogynistic attitudes and structures emboldened and widely enforced. Though, to also be fair, that doesn't excuse Vaughn's shortcomings with his portrayal of women in the film.

Still, disdain for First Class, disdain for Deadpool... Sensing a pattern here

 

[Bayne]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Rebooting Deadpool now would be a huge risk, MCU successes or not.

It's one thing to launch brand new properties no one has ever heard of (Guardians) or reboot series that have already more than run their course (x-men) or weren't even liked in the first place (Spider-man, F4). It's another thing entirely to kill a highly popular series still in mid-stride just so you can do your own version.

And this one in particular would make no sense, anyway. Not only would a rebooted Deadpool have to deal with the backlash of people angry that the series they loved has been replaced, it would also have to deal with convincing people who hated Reynolds' Deadpool that the MCU Deadpool is really not so vulgar/bloody/whatever they disliked and also convincing people who loved his series but are theoretically willing to give the MCU a chance that it won't lose what made the character special.

And it would really provide nothing important to the MCU. Deadpool will never be a glorious Avenger and making him another pg-13 funny guy (just like Star-lord, Spider-man, Thor, etc) would not bring anything new to the MCU, either. Literally the only reason the MCU has to include the character at all at this juncture is because Reynolds is popular. Take Reynolds away and there's no point left to it. The only significant thing you could really do with him is make him a Wolverine supporting character. Like Fox already tried to do in one of the worst bombs of the x-men series, so that's not a great plan either.

If Disney literally can't work with Reynolds, then Deadpool is going on the shelf for at least a decade before anyone reboots him.

And if it's Feige specifically who can't work with him, it would make more sense for Disney to just let Reynolds make his own completely separate Deadpool 3 under the Fox banner.

 

[Zant]

Reynolds reduced to another generic pg 13 MCU funny guy like Star lord Antman Thor, Spiderman will be a downgrade.....I would rather him walk than to be reduced to that....Reynolds and FOX have given Feige and co the blueprint for success with the character.......Disney and Feige have to be humble enough to accept that fact. It could come down to egos in the end..

 

[psylockolussus]

Marvel is already making a "risk" by giving the Fantastic Four their own feature film (which I'm totally up for). Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool isn't going to make the MCU any better. It would come down to the character's story and purpose in the grand scheme of things, not because they decided to keep a guy who was pushing for a Deadpool film during the foX regime.

There are so many bigger characters that have been recast before. No actor is irreplaceable Xpecially when it comes to these Marvel characters.

I personally want a clean slate. All major characters should be recasted when they enter the mcu. I don't care how great the actors were in the previous movies.

 

[Bayne]

Marvel is already making a "risk" by giving the Fantastic Four their own feature film (which I'm totally up for). Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool isn't going to make the MCU any better. It would come down to the character's story and purpose in the grand scheme of things.

There are so many bigger characters that have been recast before. No actor is irreplaceable Xpecially when it comes to these Marvel characters.

Name some that have been recast when they clearly didn't need to be while their film series were still highly popular and in full stride. Because that's the situation Reynolds recasting would be in and it's an entirely different situation from all these other characters you're talking about.

And Fantastic 4 is probably only marginally riskier than the average original MCU film. The flip side of their movies having never lit the box office on fire is that tons of people don't even remember they exist. Those that do hated the last installment so much that seeing them in the hands of popular filmmakers like Feige and Co can really only be good news.

 

[psylockolussus]

All characters that have entered the MCU have been recast. Ryan Reynolds shouldn't be an eXception. Don't tell me, they'veonly recast Spider-Man becaùse Tasm2 was bad or Hulk 2003 wasn't very successful. But if they were successful, should have kept Andrew Garfield, Eric Bana and the other actors who recently appeared in the critically panned foX Marvel movies. What about Patrick Stewart who still works.

The MCU doesn't need Ryan Reynolds. Its more like Ryan Reynolds need the Deadpool role. And "full stride" doesn't mean much when a coupleof Marvel Studios' established film franchises have outgrossed both Deadpool movies at the boX office.

 

[psylockolussus]

It shouldn't happen. If Ryan isn't Deadpool, time to retire the character imo

I don't need to see Deadpool anytime soon. To me, he's not an essential business compare to the Mutants and even the Fantastic Four. Like, there's a lot of potential in Mutants and Fantastic Four we have yet to fully eXperience in the big screen. If those two are finally done right, they would be bigger than foX Deadpool movies in terms of boX office success.

Deadpool? eh. I don't need to see more of his fourth wall breaking and I don't think there's a lot more they can really do with the character. His rogues gallery aren't that rich and they would probably need to use X-Men/other Marvel characters to feature someone in the film other than the merc.

 

[Ctfxcwatcher]

Yeahhhh if I'm a Ryan/Deadpool fan I'll be worried...

 

[SumT]

if Hugh Jackman doesnt play Wolverine in MCU, they should just retire the character.

What about that?

 

[CaptainWagner]

if Hugh Jackman doesnt play Wolverine in MCU, they should just retire the character.

What about that?

Hugh Jackman's tenure as Wolverine was over with or without the buyout. No comparison there.

Reynolds is the reason Deadpool happened. If they drop him, we all know full well Deadpool will wind up just another PG-13 funny-man in the MCU. We don't need that. What the industry does need is distinct franchises like Deadpool that are unique from everything else getting made.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't need to see Deadpool anytime soon. To me, he's not an essential business compare to the Mutants and even the Fantastic Four. Like, there's a lot of potential in Mutants and Fantastic Four we have yet to fully eXperience in the big screen. If those two are finally done right, they would be bigger than foX Deadpool movies in terms of boX office success.

Deadpool? eh. I don't need to see more of his fourth wall breaking and I don't think there's a lot more they can really do with the character. His rogues gallery aren't that rich and they would probably need to use X-Men/other Marvel characters to feature someone in the film other than the merc.

But he is. He's the only consistently lucrative brand under Fox Marvel. That's what Disney cares about at the end of the day; making money. It makes zero sense to toss out a version of the character absolutely everybody loves, even members of the MCU family -- to start over with a version that has zero investment from anyone.

I do want to see more Deadpool films because I enjoyed both films very much and putting Deadpool in the MCU has ridiculous amount of untapped potential. As Reynolds said, it's a win for everybody.

And I don't see a problem with that? It's the MCU after all and Wade Wilson is in the X-Men family of characters

Hugh Jackman's tenure as Wolverine was over with or without the buyout. No comparison there.

Reynolds is the reason Deadpool happened. If they drop him, we all know full well Deadpool will wind up just another PG-13 funny-man in the MCU. We don't need that. What the industry does need is distinct franchises like Deadpool that are unique from everything else getting made.

That's why I hope the rumors of the MCU creating an R-Rated label are true. It's the only way I could see Deadpool and Blade being done right