Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Marvel united]

I think Sinister could be ok in a first movie as long as it's not a one off and its executed in a way that mirrors what they did with Obidiah Stane turning into Iron Monger or Tim Roth turning into Abomination at the end of both movies. Sinister could be disguised as regular human Mr Essex, maybe as a government advisor or some high role throughout the first 2/3rds, influencing people and dictating events on the sly to serve his ulterior motives. Then either by the end of the movie he shapeshifts back into his real form to fight the X-men or you could save the reveal for the sequel and have a lesser villain working for Essex instead.

Heck, you could even connect him to Proteus. Sinister could have been involved in the experiments done on Kevin as a child and he could be the one who lets him out. That could be the final twist of the movie and in X2, he takes a more hands-on approach with the Marauders.

Not sure if you're serious but there are plenty of X-men villains that's more connected to the X-men than Proteus' 1 connection.

I guess I simply want the MCU X-men to be better than what's already been done.

Well, there's Magneto, there's Sinister.. I guess Shadow King is also connected to Storm. Callisto is a frenemy of Ororo too but aside from those 4.. I guess Vulcan is another but I'm not sure he'd work in the first outing

To be fair, Thanos is widely regarded as being among the best CBM villains of all time. It's all about characterization and the writing. Marvel's No.1 priority will hopefully be the X-Men themselves.

 

[Mad Ones]

X1: The X-men work with Muir Island and grapple with it's dark mirror: Sinister's lab
X2: The X-men learn about their own underground doubles: The Morlocks

In the process, they learn that the distinctions between these elements aren't as clear as they thought and that the world is much more complicated.

 

[Marvel united]

I think a first movie that involved the X-men based in New York (or somewhere else like San Fran to keep things fresh), Moria and her assistants based in Muir Island, and Sinister based in Nebraska (Scott's orphanage) would do a lot to build the world.

Start the X-men as not particularly sophisticated, working with Cerebro and a few pieces of tech for the Danger Room (no holograms yet). Muir Island and Sinister's lab would mirror each other for some nice filmic parallelism.

Over time, Muir Island helps augment the X-men while a few of its members cross over (a good device to explain why some characters join later). At the same time, Sinister's experiments become more troublesome for the X-men and mutant community at large.

Sinister is just that perfect foil and he would make the films feel different from the Fox ones. Throw in the fact that he experimented on pre-X-men Scott, cloned Jean, hired Gambit, stalked Iceman, works for Apocalypse, etc. and we have a great defining long term villain for the MCU X-men.

I agree that Sinister is the perfect foil but the issue is that his magnum opus is Mutant Massacre. That's his biggest story and doing MM in the first film would be difficult to pull off with none of the players established, and if they don't do MM for X1 then who will menace the X-Men while Sinister sits in his lab pulling the strings?

There has to be an enemy they can use for the money shots in the trailer..

 

[Mad Ones]

There's absolutely no way they should do Mutant Massacre in the first movie.

Edit: I think the X-men should start out more episodic and Sinister is a great device to create a "freak of the week" style structure for the first few movies. It's a little basic, with the formula of "the good guys beating the immediate threat but not the underlying cause," but I think the formula has shown that what gets established during these episodes pays off later when stakes get higher. Proteus could be one of those episodes.

 

[Marvel united]

There's absolutely no way they should do Mutant Massacre in the first movie.

Edit: I think the X-men should start out more episodic and Sinister is a great device to create a "freak of the week" style structure for the first few movies. It's a little basic, with the formula of "the good guys beating the immediate threat but not the underlying cause," but I think the formula has shown that what gets established during these episodes pays off later when stakes get higher. Proteus could be one of those episodes.

As long as those threats are varied and unique from each other, I think Sinister could absolutely work as the Master Planner figure in the background longterm. He could be the 'Loki' of this franchise

Btw what would be your X-Men lineup? For me, I'm thinking

- Cyclops
- Storm
- Marvel Girl
- Penance
- Sunfire
- Forge

Mix of old and new there. I also think with a focused student body, you can include characters like Kitty, Sooraya, Bobby, Hisasko etc as the younger students who cheer them on from the sidelines.

Becoming an X-Man could be like achieving title of Valedictorian or being a sports jock -- Maybe complete with their own varsity jacket:

As a symbol of their seniority

 

[Iceman]

As long as those threats are varied and unique from each other, I think Sinister could absolutely work as the Master Planner figure in the background longterm. He could be the 'Loki' of this franchise

Btw what would be your X-Men lineup? For me, I'm thinking

- Cyclops
- Storm
- Marvel Girl
- Penance
- Sunfire
- Forge

Mix of old and new there. I also think with a focused student body, you can include characters like Kitty, Sooraya, Bobby, Hisasko etc as the younger students who cheer them on from the sidelines.

Becoming an X-Man could be like achieving title of Valedictorian or being a sports jock -- Maybe complete with their own varsity jacket:
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As a symbol of their seniority

I want to see Sinister pulling the strings behind the scenes over a number of films rather than being a one and done. I’m glad that the Fox films haven’t already used him so he will fresh.

Also I really want the student body. The youngsters are the ones who can show the real issues that mutants face as they first encounter their powers at the same time as going through puberty with the older senior X-Men there for guidance and also to act as an inspiration. This also gives an easy gateway to adding many more known characters who can stay low key while they’re developing for a big pay off in future. I certainly want the most well know young ones like Jubilee and Kitty graduating having gone through the whole experience of scared teenager to fully fledged X-Men.

 

[Mad Ones]

I have a hard time deciding on a starting roster and a much easier time finding reasons for someone not to be on the roster. I mainly have a hard time taking a character away from the role that defined them and from the characters they have relationships with that the defined them.

For example, I'd love to see M/Penance, but she just wouldn't be the same without being Emma's pupil and interacting with the other Generation Xers. I think my approach is what ultimately limits and restricts some characters, though. Being in the MCU's X-team from the start might be the shot in the arm a character like M needs.

I'm still at the two extremes: either the MCU finds its own distinct approach or it strives to be as faithful as possible. There's no middle ground for me right now.

 

[Jordacar]

When it comes to MUTANT MASSACRE, I'm prepared for the possibility that if the MCU does cover that story, it's gonna look totally different. Just like Infinity War/Endgame had it's own energy apart from the original Gauntlet story. Expect a completely different roster of X-Men teams, different guest stars, maybe even different bad guys, like the Horsemen or Bastion or the Purifiers instead of the Mauraders. It might even be woven into some other story. As long as the Morlocks get laid out and the X-Men have to evacuate the tunnels in a Pyrrhic victory, we can scratch that one off the list.

 

[Marvel united]

I want to see Sinister pulling the strings behind the scenes over a number of films rather than being a one and done. I’m glad that the Fox films haven’t already used him so he will fresh.

Also I really want the student body. The youngsters are the ones who can show the real issues that mutants face as they first encounter their powers at the same time as going through puberty with the older senior X-Men there for guidance and also to act as an inspiration. This also gives an easy gateway to adding many more known characters who can stay low key while they’re developing for a big pay off in future. I certainly want the most well know young ones like Jubilee and Kitty graduating having gone through the whole experience of scared teenager to fully fledged X-Men.

I think that's a good way to approach it. You have the seniors/'older students who would be the X-Men, you have the freshman/child students who idolize the X-Men and you have the teachers and chaperones.

You can have some in the background who graduate into X-Men in the sequels as members come and go. You'd have people like Wolverine, Emma and Bishop come into the picture later.

They could take a page out of Wolverine & The X-Men for Emma and have her stort be a reverse of what it was in the comics; she starts out as an X-Man and is revealed to be a member of the Hellfire Club who infiltrated their ranks but grew to care about them

I have a hard time deciding on a starting roster and a much easier time finding reasons for someone not to be on the roster. I mainly have a hard time taking a character away from the role that defined them and from the characters they have relationships with that the defined them.

For example, I'd love to see M/Penance, but she just wouldn't be the same without being Emma's pupil and interacting with the other Generation Xers. I think my approach is what ultimately limits and restricts some characters, though. Being in the MCU's X-team from the start might be the shot in the arm a character like M needs.

I'm still at the two extremes: either the MCU finds its own distinct approach or it strives to be as faithful as possible. There's no middle ground for me right now.

I definitely go back and forth on this as well. I think that's why so many of my early pitches for the X-Men have the O5 in it as a backdrop to the story. But I think Marvel Studios creating their own mythology from the ground up without adhering to any strict pre-established comic canon would be freeing for them. They have countless versions to pick and choose from to create something new and unique

That's ultimately the approach they took for Homecoming and it payed off immensely well.

 

[Mad Ones]

The big difference between Spider-man and X-men is that the Raimi films were already so close to the comics (organic webs aside). I've never seen an X-men comic come to life in the same way. That's more my problem with Fox than it is my worry about MCU.

Also, the MCU could do whatever the heck it wants as long as we get high quality animation and video games (something Disney has yet to deliver)

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I like all of the aforementioned ideas, I was thinking that instead of having the school be full of students the only mutants that should be there are the X-Men. We can see how each member adjusts to being there, I love the idea of a teammate going rogue when it comes to mutant hysteria and is expelled by Xavier (which is something we have yet to see). Also instead of a large student body like in the Fox films, we slowly see new teens coming, Jubilee, Bobby, Kitty, etc and then we get the characters from New Mutants & Generation X to fill out the school. I know some of you may think this is similar to First Class but I am drawing inspiration from TAS/Evolution how the school wasn’t just a setting/place but it becomes a character within itself. And when something bad happens to the mansion let’s say it gets blown up in a attack you feel a sense of loss because we have seen these characters evolve in the school and it becomes their home. That’s why the mansion blowing up in Apocalypse didn’t work for me because we never seen the X-Men their. Now in DOFP Rogue cut I felt Xavier’s pain when he witness his home gone because we saw how Rogue/Wolverine two lonely travelers accepted that place and how Scott/Storm vowed to take over and the warm reception Beast got when he visited in TLS.

I’m here for Emma joining the team as a secret Hellfire Club member if they decide to use the the storyline of Jean is a host for the Phoenix god/church of Shi’ar from the ultimate comics. I know a lot of you want the classic Phoenix Saga.

 

[Lip]

The only thing that doesn't change for me about the roster is Jean, Storm and Scott being in it.

The rest, they can surprise me.

 

[Mad Ones]

The only thing that doesn't change for me about the roster is Jean, Storm and Scott being in it.

The rest, they can surprise me.

Yeah this is the only constant for me too.

 

[Marvel united]

I like all of the aforementioned ideas, I was thinking that instead of having the school be full of students the only mutants that should be there are the X-Men. We can see how each member adjusts to being there, I love the idea of a teammate going rogue when it comes to mutant hysteria and is expelled by Xavier (which is something we have yet to see). Also instead of a large student body like in the Fox films, we slowly see new teens coming, Jubilee, Bobby, Kitty, etc and then we get the characters from New Mutants & Generation X to fill out the school. I know some of you may think this is similar to First Class but I am drawing inspiration from TAS/Evolution how the school wasn’t just a setting/place but it becomes a character within itself. And when something bad happens to the mansion let’s say it gets blown up in a attack you feel a sense of loss because we have seen these characters evolve in the school and it becomes their home. That’s why the mansion blowing up in Apocalypse didn’t work for me because we never seen the X-Men their. Now in DOFP Rogue cut I felt Xavier’s pain when he witness his home gone because we saw how Rogue/Wolverine two lonely travelers accepted that place and how Scott/Storm vowed to take over and the warm reception Beast got when he visited in TLS.

I’m here for Emma joining the team as a secret Hellfire Club member if they decide to use the the storyline of Jean is a host for the Phoenix god/church of Shi’ar from the ultimate comics. I know a lot of you want the classic Phoenix Saga.

I'm a fan of this idea too. Starting with a smaller student body for a tighter, more focused story. Establishing the First class & chronicling the school's foundational steps in the MCU; building on that foundation in the sequels. Heck, the school's growth in subsequent films can be thematically linked to the X-Men's growth as a team and as people.

The school has been laid out so many times in the Fox series that, like Magneto, it lost it's impact by Apocalypse. It would be nice to spend the appropriate amount of time building the school so by the time it is destroyed in the MCU, there's actually some emotional weight to it.

The only thing that doesn't change for me about the roster is Jean, Storm and Scott being in it.

The rest, they can surprise me.

Same here. And they can fully utlize the rotating nature of the X-Men's roster. For instance, a starting team of:

- Cyclops
- Storm
- Marvel Girl
- Sunfire
- Beak
- Forge

By the end of the movie, Shiro could return to Japan, Barnell could be killed in the second act and Forge could leave and be recruited by the Government. Setting the stage for new members in X2 while simultaneously setting up players in the wider mythos

 

[SumT]

The X-Men team has around 20 iconic/important members from their +50 years history.
So you just cant start X-Men 1 with Beak on it, lol. When do you expect Marvel to introduce the likes of Angel, Psylocke, Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, Bishop and co? in X-Men 10? lol.
No, Marvel has no other option than to introduce a very strong roster on the very first movie (even if there is one or two d-list mutants on it).

 

[Iceman]

The only thing that doesn't change for me about the roster is Jean, Storm and Scott being in it.

The rest, they can surprise me.

Probably the same for most. Beast is a foundational type senior member to me too but I get he isn't for everyone.

 

[Iceman]

The X-Men team has around 20 iconic/important members from their +50 years history.
So you just cant start X-Men 1 with Beak on it, lol. When do you expect Marvel to introduce the likes of Angel, Psylocke, Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, Bishop and co? in X-Men 10? lol.
No, Marvel has no other option than to introduce a very strong roster on the very first movie (even if there is one or two d-list mutants on it).

I think they need a strong starting roster and then they can have students to give the chance for lesser known and younger mutants to feature throughout all the films (some eventually graduating to the full team or teachers).

 

[EnDz0n3]

Before the First Class films, Beast would’ve been an essential first batch X-man to me too. But Vaughn’s, Singer’s, Kinberg’s and Hoult’s (even Morrison’s and Whedon’s) takes on the character ruined him for me.

 

[Iceman]

Before the First Class films, Beast would’ve been an essential first batch X-man to me too. But Vaughn’s, Singer’s, Kinberg’s and Hoult’s (even Morrison’s and Whedon’s) takes on the character ruined him for me.

I only really registered Grammer's performance from the films so that doesn't affect me. He's always going to be one of my favourite X-Men from the comics.

 

[SumT]

Before the First Class films, Beast would’ve been an essential first batch X-man to me too. But Vaughn’s, Singer’s, Kinberg’s and Hoult’s (even Morrison’s and Whedon’s) takes on the character ruined him for me.

sadly, I agree.
Having Cyclops, Jean, Storm and Beast on Marvel Studios first movie would feel too similar to Dark Phoenix roster. So Marvel will want to avoid that, Im sure.

People like Kitty Pryde and Iceman havent appeared on the big screen since 2014, and by the time Marvel premieres their film, it will be 10 years at least, so yeah, they are strong candidates.
Rogue and Gambit even more time since their last decent role, but I have mixed feelings with them appearing from the get go too, ven if Im DYING to see them on the big screen finally.

So basically Kitty, Iceman and Jubilee are the strongest options, imo, aside from the trinity. Sunfire is a great possibility too but we'll see....

 

[EnDz0n3]

I only really registered Grammer's performance from the films so that doesn't affect me. He's always going to be one of my favourite X-Men from the comics.

In a way, yea. It's easy to watch FC, DOFP, Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix and forget that character was even Beast.

An average built white guy, whose dialogue sounds like anyone else, who's in love with Mystique and would kill Jean in a heartbeat is not any Beast that I know.

 

[Iceman]

In a way, yea. It's easy to watch FC, DOFP, Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix and forget that character was even Beast.

An average built white guy, whose dialogue sounds like anyone else, who's in love with Mystique and would kill Jean in a heartbeat is not Beast.

He doesn't really act anything like Beast. I don't mind Nicholas Hoult as he is fine in other stuff but this role wasn't a good fit or well written for him. It just feels like Hoult in the X-Men.

If we could get someone acting like Grammer's version but given a really good look (I'm open to CGI after seeing how it was done with Professor Hulk in Endgame) and also some good effects/stuntwork to showcase his beastly abilities I would be very happy.

 

[Detective Conan]

Logan Director James Mangold on Hugh Jackman Playing Wolverine Again For Marvel

 

[Marvel united]

The X-Men team has around 20 iconic/important members from their +50 years history.
So you just cant start X-Men 1 with Beak on it, lol. When do you expect Marvel to introduce the likes of Angel, Psylocke, Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, Bishop and co? in X-Men 10? lol.
No, Marvel has no other option than to introduce a very strong roster on the very first movie (even if there is one or two d-list mutants on it).

Weren't you the same guy arguing that Marvel can fill out the team roster with lesser known POC mutants to avoid race swapping the main ones?

And they are about to turn Shang-Chi and the Eternals into household names. Feige could have a team roster of Triage, Goldballs, Tempus, Leech and Morph and still make a highly successful X-Men film. The Marvel brand is that strong right now.

Before the First Class films, Beast would’ve been an essential first batch X-man to me too. But Vaughn’s, Singer’s, Kinberg’s and Hoult’s (even Morrison’s and Whedon’s) takes on the character ruined him for me.

Same here. Unfortunately, Beast was a major part of the FC trilogy so a break for that character might be due.

I didn't mind Beast in FC. That was obviously meant to be the start of his character development into Grammar's version but his arc was reversed in DOFP. The character has been stagnant and stuck as the "awkward science guy" ever since

 

[Fincher]

In a way, yea. It's easy to watch FC, DOFP, Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix and forget that character was even Beast.

An average built white guy, whose dialogue sounds like anyone else, who's in love with Mystique and would kill Jean in a heartbeat is not any Beast that I know.

That's my Beast, though. Well, I could have done without the trying to kill Jean part, but otherwise.