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Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

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The question is, will X-Men start as a show, and then make the transition to film. And what form will that take?

Starting as a show, I don't see it. MS is still determined in releasing BW, Shang Chi and Eternals in theaters. I don't see a huge property like this debuting on D+.

But I can see some mutants and some X-Men debuting on shows before the an X-Men movie. But not the likes of Scott, Storm, Jean, etc...
 
Trevor is a tall, handsome and commanding. Wanda is an older woman with weary eyes. They both look the part; more specifically, like modernized versions of their characters :shock

Also Wanda Sykes actually is lesbian, and an outspoken activist. She should have first dibs if anything
It is not a modernized version of the character especially their appearance in the comiXs haven't been changed or altered eXcept for their costumes. So are you saying Cyclops' look is now outdated huh?

It is your "preferred" version for the movies and I'm telling you come 2023, when the casting news are announced , and if those fancast of yours came true, it would be controversial and its just going to be unnecessary drama. There arepeople who want these characters to look faithful to the comiXs and there's nothing wrong about it really. Remember when they cast Michael B. Jordan as human Torch?
 
Starting as a show, I don't see it. MS is still determined in releasing BW, Shang Chi and Eternals in theaters. I don't see a huge property like this debuting on D+.

But I can see some mutants and some X-Men debuting on shows before the an X-Men movie. But not the likes of Scott, Storm, Jean, etc...
Well, I mean, WandaVision directly leads into Spider-Man 3 which directly leads into Multiverse of Madness.

All of the shows are setting up larger things in the MCU. Apparently Kang appears in Loki, which sets up his appearance for Ant-Man 3.

A Storm show, an O5 show, and an Alpha Flight show could all lead into Giant-Sized X-Men. Giving Marvel the time to build hype

Or who knows, maybe you're right, and X-Men starts as a film. But Storm appearing in Black Panther 2, and then getting her own show would be nice.

It is not a modernized version of the character especially their appearance in the comiXs haven't been changed or altered eXcept for their costumes. So are you saying Cyclops' look is now outdated huh?

It is your "preferred" version for the movies and I'm telling you come 2023, when the casting news are announced , and if those fancast of yours came true, it would be controversial and its just going to be unnecessary drama. There arepeople who want these characters to look faithful to the comiXs and there's nothing wrong about it really. Remember when they cast Michael B. Jordan as human Torch?
Well, people are just gonna have to make peace with it. I don't see a scenario where X-Men continues to bolster straight, white characters in cosplay as minorities. You can't separate the context, It's coming.

It would be more controversial if they didn't address it, esp considering these stories are already being told with real minorities (in the MCU). X-Men would be the uncomfortable elephant in the room
 
Starting as a show, I don't see it. MS is still determined in releasing BW, Shang Chi and Eternals in theaters. I don't see a huge property like this debuting on D+.

But I can see some mutants and some X-Men debuting on shows before the an X-Men movie. But not the likes of Scott, Storm, Jean, etc...
Yeah I’d expect individual mutants to be introduced in shows and other MCU films ahead of the first MCU X-Men film which I hope will be billed as one the biggest MCU events outside Avengers films.
 
Well, I mean, WandaVision directly leads into Spider-Man 3 which directly leads into Multiverse of Madness.

All of the shows are setting up larger things in the MCU. Apparently Kang appears in Loki, which sets up his appearance for Ant-Man 3.

A Storm show, an O5 show, and an Alpha Flight show could all lead into Giant-Sized X-Men. Giving Marvel the time to build hype

Or who knows, maybe you're right, and X-Men starts as a film. But Storm appearing in Black Panther 2, and then getting her own show would be nice.


Well, people are just gonna have to make peace with it. I don't see a scenario where X-Men continues to bolster straight, white characters in cosplay as minorities. You can't separate the context, It's coming.

It would be more controversial if they didn't address it, esp considering these stories are already being told with real minorities (in the MCU). X-Men would be the uncomfortable elephant in the room
People would not make peace with it, people are going to use it against the film, the studio and the actor that are going to be hired in the role. Ever heard of the term "pandering"?. We have talked this about a million times, its not like characters like Bishop, Psylocke, Jubilee, Forge, Storm don't eXist. When a character looked the certain way for DECADES and not just in the comiXs (but also toys, cartoons, videogames even those foXmovies) people and fans are going to eXpect to have faithful and reXpectful casting choice. I guess you missed when Chris Claremont slammed Marvel/FoX for the casting of Halle Berry and Samuel L. Jackson in their reXpective Marvel roles. Even one of the New Mutants creators wasn't happy with certain casting in the recent foX movie. See those that aren't even fans, who are the ones that worked in the source material.

Cue in your "I can more about the characters than checking the diversity boX".
 
People would not make peace with it, people are going to use it against the film, the studio and the actor that are going to be hired in the role. Ever heard of the term "pandering"?. We have talked this about a million times, its not like characters like Bishop, Psylocke, Jubilee, Forge, Storm don't eXist. When a character looked the certain way for DECADES and not just in the comiXs (but also toys, cartoons, videogames even those foXmovies) people and fans are going to eXpect to have faithful and reXpectful casting choice. I guess you missed when Chris Claremont slammed Marvel/FoX for the casting of Halle Berry and Samuel L. Jackson in their reXpective Marvel roles. Even one of the New Mutants creators wasn't happy with certain casting in the recent foX movie. See those that aren't even fans, who are the ones that worked in the source material.

Cue in your "I can more about the characters than checking the diversity boX".
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We aren't living in 2000 anymore. People's expectations/feelings about certain things, have changed. X-Men being what it is, will have to reflect this change... Or be the awkward elephant.
 
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We aren't living in 2000 anymore. People's expectations/feelings about certain things, have changed. X-Men being what it is, will have to reflect this change... Or be the awkward elephant.
We are in 2020 and Marvel Entertainment still hasn't changed the race/gender of Cyclops, Rogue, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Gambit, Havok, Polaris, the Wolverine, Shadowcat, Banshee, Colossus, Beast, Nightcrawler, Dazzler, Angel and the Professor, in the recent comiXs, videogames and toys. Are you going to tell that they are outdated and an awkward elephant?

If we are going to follow everything in your preference then Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans and Chris Pratt shouldn't have headlined those mcu flicks as there are more talented actors in the world. Angelina Jolie wouldn't have been hired as Thena and Richard Madden wouldn't have been as Ikaris especially those two characters are hardly well known.

Also ever heard of creating new characters from scratch as well? Miles Morales and Kamala Khan were introduced not tha n less than 15 years ago.
 
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Well, I mean, WandaVision directly leads into Spider-Man 3 which directly leads into Multiverse of Madness.

All of the shows are setting up larger things in the MCU. Apparently Kang appears in Loki, which sets up his appearance for Ant-Man 3.

A Storm show, an O5 show, and an Alpha Flight show could all lead into Giant-Sized X-Men. Giving Marvel the time to build hype

Or who knows, maybe you're right, and X-Men starts as a film. But Storm appearing in Black Panther 2, and then getting her own show would be nice.

Yeah... apparently Secret Invasion will be a D+ event. They're making big things there. But while She Hulk and Kamala are debuting on D+, I see big X-Men characters getting their own show only after a first movie.

Let's hope for some appearences before, like you said. I thibk that's possible.
 

To recast or not to recast? That is the question. Anyone here want this to happen or is another actress for a new version of the character the way to go?
 
Agreed.
Many fans have been waiting mant years for Marvel Studios own and cohesive Xmen universe. Not to mix both Fox and Marvel takes
 
We are in 2020 and Marvel Entertainment still hasn't changed the race/gender of Cyclops, Rogue, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Gambit, Havok, Polaris, the Wolverine, Shadowcat, Banshee, Colossus, Beast, Nightcrawler, Dazzler, Angel and the Professor, in the recent comiXs, videogames and toys. Are you going to tell that they are outdated and an awkward elephant?

If we are going to follow everything in your preference then Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans and Chris Pratt shouldn't have headlined those mcu flicks as there are more talented actors in the world. Angelina Jolie wouldn't have been hired as Thena and Richard Madden wouldn't have been as Ikaris especially those two characters are hardly well known.

Also ever heard of creating new characters from scratch as well? Miles Morales and Kamala Khan were introduced not tha n less than 15 years ago.
And no one outside of comic book fandom is gonna go for a scene of a rich white woman (Emma Frost), talking down to a brown Muslim girl (Kamala Khan) about oppression.

You're not really seeing the bigger picture here, or the implications of certain things. Comic books aren't absolute, nor they are they infallible. When there's an opportunity to update a story, and tell it better than it was told 57 years ago, that opportunity should be seized. Always.

But let's just leave it at that, and agree to disagree :O
 
She was great and all, but let's stop with FOX actors coming back.

It's a true shame so many of them didn't get a chance to fully shine. But let's start fresh in the MCU.
Yeah she was definitely good as X-23 but I say no to all FoXverse actors joining the mcu in the same role.
 
Ok, so WandaVision starts in a few weeks. That's my last hope for mutants in a near future. I really liked that theory of the stones activating the already existing x gene.

Expectation aside, I think I'm going to enjoy the ride regardless. It's looks like a great show.
 
Are we really still debating whether salty Fox News pieces about "SJW pandering" and the YouTubers who still think Brie Larson is getting fired have any bearing on the success of a superhero movie? How many times do we ride this merry-go-round?

Fiege and co. are going to have to make a choice: Sideline a significant number of their A-List mutants OR open up casting for most of the characters to a broad and diverse casting pool. The choice, IMO, is obvious. The sooner everyone accepts race-changes with the X-Men, the better.
 
And no one outside of comic book fandom is gonna go for a scene of a rich white woman (Emma Frost), talking down to a brown Muslim girl (Kamala Khan) about oppression.

You're not really seeing the bigger picture here, or the implications of certain things. Comic books aren't absolute, nor they are they infallible. When there's an opportunity to update a story, and tell it better than it was told 57 years ago, that opportunity should be seized. Always.

But let's just leave it at that, and agree to disagree :O
You still haven't answered my question.

Are the ComiXs and other media that the X-Men currently appear in or recently appeared in (Ultimate Alliance 3) outdated and an Awkward elephant. So why are they continuing to have a white Cyclops, Jean and Emma in the comiXs - as far as i know those comiXs still well and being read by people. And there is no other media right now that develops and create new stories for the X-Men every month than the comiXs.

So are you going to keep ignoring this? Do you even read the recent comiXs in which things like oppression are still being featured in their stories?
 
And no one outside of comic book fandom is gonna go for a scene of a rich white woman (Emma Frost), talking down to a brown Muslim girl (Kamala Khan) about oppression.

That’s a fair point, but I also don’t see a reality in which that scene would ever be necessary, or written in such a one-note way?

And, besides, the mutant experience/drama can be written in the MCU to further highlight real world racism/discriminations, in which a conversation between Kamala Khan & Emma would be perfectly acceptable. Emma says she’s discriminated against because she’s a mutant, and Kamala can relate to the receiving end of prejudices but challenges Emma by stating the obvious—that she’s still a rich white woman in a society that typically sees color first.

There can be shades of discrimination within the MCU, just like the real world that can strengthen the overall narrative. Diverse characters, mutant and human alike, and groups like the downtrodden Morlocks or the seemingly-upperclass and privileged at Xavier’s and Massachusetts Academies. All will be important to challenge/ breakdown preconceived notions of oppression & inequality.

I do think that the MCU X-Men will see some characters' racial/ethnic backgrounds changed, but I don't think it'll be nearly as sweeping as some have suggested. Maybe Professor X & Magneto are the most probable casting where there will be a race change, but I still suspect we'll see the traditional Caucasian interpretation of Wolverine, Marvel Girl, & Cyclops (with Scott being the only exception I could potentially see because the character was such a non-starter in the Fox films and has been run through the ringer in the comics for the past decade, and thus could benefit from a bit of reinvention IMO--but even then that's a big maybe).

A character like Quentin Quire I could see him being rewritten for the MCU as a major threat. And he could be any ethnicity (just try keep the pink har lol). And to be fair, any character can be rewritten & reworked, but I see Marvel trying to keep some iconography/imagery amongst some of its more classic characters consistent across its different media.

Rather, I see Marvel additionally pushing minority characters alongside that trio like Storm, Bishop, Iceman, Jubilee, Thunderbird, Armor and/or Forge in the main films. Disney+ properties could further expand upon more diverse X-Men characters like Psylocke, Dust, Northstar, Moonstar, Sunspot, Sunfire, Magma etc. etc. before they're folded back into major films.

On whole, the MCU is becoming much more diverse both onscreen and off. Of course the mutants/X-Men franchise will continue that trend but there will be balance in the adaptations--things that challenge the status quo, and things that honor the source material to the letter. The MCU usually strikes the balance quite well, so I'm inclined to believe the X-Men won't/feel so unfamiliar as some posters are fearing--regardless of some casting.
 
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Rather, I see Marvel additionally pushing minority characters alongside that trio like Storm, Bishop, Iceman, Jubilee, Thunderbird, Armor and/or Forge in the main films
That has always been a suggestion for people like me that want them to stick to their comic book look.

But its always been shot down as

A. They aren't A list,so they shouldn't be used
B. "I care about developing the right characters, telling the best stories instead of checking the diversity boX"

Like as if characters like Psylocke, bishop, Jubilee only had **** stories in the comiXs and Marvel studios can't make a good story for them.

Ironic, how that one person want to see non white characters lead than the X-Men but then dismiss the actual non white characters from the comiXs. You can't use Bishop without Time Travel, Psylocke shouldn't appear in the first film, Jubilee/Forge are d list. Its really eXhausting.

I know we are beating down a dead elephant here but really are we going to see your fantasy X-Men actors in every single page?
 
Would've preferred that tbh, though this look isn't bad. Her Giant-Size X-men First Appearance look is my all-time fave.

Even Rogue's long trench coat isn't working for me.
Save the trench coat to Gambit.

I remember she had that in X-Men Legends 2, and I wish it was removable.
Trevor is a tall, handsome and commanding. Wanda is an older woman with weary eyes. They both look the part; more specifically, like modernized versions of their characters :shock

Also Wanda Sykes actually is lesbian, and an outspoken activist. She should have first dibs if anything
I missed this part about WandaSykes. I thought of Scarlet Witch when i saw Wanda then stopped reading.

I was definitely not talking about your dream casting for Destiny.
 
If Marvel does cast an LGBT actress as Destiny, there are certainly much better candidates than Wanda Sykes IMO.

Sarah Paulson, Samira Wiley, Clea DuVall, Laverne Cox, MJ Rodriguez, Kristen Stewart, Evan Rachel Word, etc.
 
If Marvel does cast an LGBT actress as Destiny, there are certainly much better candidates than Wanda Sykes IMO.

Sarah Paulson, Samira Wiley, Clea DuVall, Laverne Cox, MJ Rodriguez, Kristen Stewart, Evan Rachel Word, etc.
Id pick Anna Paquin.
 
Hah! I don’t know I’m up for that level of meta-casting.
 
I don’t mean to be rude but shouldn’t the actress for Destiny be a bit older? Those are great actresses but maybe not great for Destiny
 
I don’t mean to be rude but shouldn’t the actress for Destiny be a bit older? Those are great actresses but maybe not great for Destiny

Yes probably only Laverne Cox, Sarah Paulson or Clea DuVall would be the right age to play Rogue’s adoptive mother. My list got away from me—

My personal pick has typically been Penelope Cruz
 
And, besides, the mutant experience/drama can be written in the MCU to further highlight real world racism/discriminations, in which a conversation between Kamala Khan & Emma would be perfectly acceptable. Emma says she’s discriminated against because she’s a mutant, and Kamala can relate to the receiving end of prejudices but challenges Emma by stating the obvious—that she’s still a rich white woman in a society that typically sees color first.
At the same time, this can also backfire. By trying to compare their experiences, the movie is calling itself out. Emma Frost is a rich white woman larping as an oppressed minority. No matter how you justify it in-narrative. You are trying to equate the reality of a real minority (a Pakistani Muslim girl) to a fictional one, who has all their privileges in society. This can very easily be seen as problematic.

There can be shades of discrimination with the MCU, just like the real world that can strengthen the overall narrative.
These shades should be explored amongst real minorities. The moment Scott Summers (a straight white man) challenges Anthony Mackie's Cap on the matter of race & discrimination, there's gonna be a problem.

I do think that the MCU X-Men will see some characters' racial/ethnic backgrounds changed, but I don't think it'll be nearly as sweeping as some have suggested. Maybe Professor X & Magneto are the most probable casting where there will be a race change, but I still suspect we'll see the traditional Caucasian interpretation of Wolverine, Marvel Girl, & Cyclops (with the Scott being the only exception I could potentially see because the character was such a non-starter in the Fox films and has been run through the ringer in the comics for the past decade, and thus could benefit from a bit of reinvention IMO--but even then that's a big maybe).
Truly, Magneto is the only character listed whose racial identity isn't completely irrelevant to characterization. Scott and Jean are only white by default, their races are Invisible. If Disney can change Ariel, Peter Pan and soon Hercules, and not be worried about consistency, there will be no problem changing those two. Esp when it benefits the story and themes.

Media will change to match whatever they become in the MCU


Rather, I see Marvel additionally pushing minority characters alongside that trio like Storm, Bishop, Iceman, Jubilee, Thunderbird, Armor and/or Forge in the main films. Disney+ properties could further expand upon more diverse X-Men characters like Psylocke, Dust, Northstar, Moonstar, Sunspot, Sunfire, Magma etc. etc. before they're folded back into major films.
The central "trio" of the X-Men, the characters whose stories/arcs drive the narrative, should be diverse. You're still centering whiteness as default in a story that should be conscious of how doing such is harmful.

Who is hired to write/direct is also going to be a factor. Someone like Barry Jenkins or Rick Famuyiwa, or even Lulu Wang, are naturally gonna want to tell the story with POC center stage. Being the type of filmmakers & activists they are, they are going to be critical of certain things. And there's no reason to think Feige wouldn't be lockstep right along with them

Barry Jenkins I could even see pushing for an all-POC team, and it would be hard to argue with him why that shouldn't be the case.

Don't forget that X-Men is a story about oppressed minorities fighting for a world that hates and fears them. It would be a hugely bold move but it's hardly impossible. I could see Disney going for it; for the statement it would make.
 
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