Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Iceman]

Don't like the shoe, but I like the costume in general. However, I have to admit I'd like to see a take on a white costume. Would it work on screen?

I’m sure it would. I hope we see both.

 

[Marvel united]

My attempt at classic Storm

Spoiler

 

[Iceman]

 

[Frankeh]

She looks amazing in her white costume there, I still want to see that look adapted.

 

[Frankeh]

Don't like the shoe, but I like the costume in general. However, I have to admit I'd like to see a take on a white costume. Would it work on screen?

I think it can work. Not just because of what Lip posted, but also Ghost in Ant Man and the Wasp:

 

[Marvel united]

Yeah, the white could definitely work. They'd have to add some extra detailing but they could adapt it look really cool

 

[Shuri]

My attempt at classic Storm

Spoiler

This looks good but I prefer the white costume. I have to say your fancastng of Kiki as Storm made me check out If Beale Streets could talk. She was great in it and looked so beautiful, I will now be disappointed if we don't get her as Storm.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I'm partial to her Giant-Sized X-men costume (with boots...please no sandals...if the Dora get boots I don't see why the Weather Goddess gets flip flops) but her white TAS costume comes a close second.

 

[MbJ]

Removing the holocaust from Magneto's backstory seems like courting unnecessary controversy. Just handwave some explanation about his powers somehow slowing his aging. Or have him have been placed in stasis by the government or something.

 

[Mad Ones]

I can't wait to see the real punk mohawk Storm eventually, and the journey she goes on to get there.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Mohawk storm is so over played these days imo. I could wait a long while before seeing her. Lol

 

[Mad Ones]

Mohawk storm is so over played these days imo. I could wait a long while before seeing her. Lol

It’s not how I want her introduced, but I want it part of her character development. Jaded, leader, powerless Storm is a really interesting era. Of course, the movies need to get her most iconic status established first, and the movies need to have a plan for her after this phase too. And we haven’t seen actual punk Storm since the 80s. Apocalypse doesnt count since she didnt have any of the characterization to go with that lil mohawk.

 

[Marvel united]

I can't wait to see the real punk mohawk Storm eventually, and the journey she goes on to get there.

This. The mohawk means so much more than just "looking cool" i.e Apocalypse. It's symbolic of some of the most character defining moments in Storm's history. Marking the beginning of an arc where Storm now seasoned and grizzled, having fought various enemies that challenge her ideals and morality, wiling to put her life on the line to save Kitty from Callisto/Morlocks -- sees the world through very different eyes than when she was introduced. No longer is she as naive and wet behind the ears, wanting to see the good in people. She now knows the ugly truth and the mohawk is representative of Storm's mindset and darker outlook on the world at this point in her life. And of course, she lost her powers and still kicked ass as the leader of the X-Men cementing her place as one of the greatest Marvel characters of all time. A very emotional arc for Ororo and just proves why proper character development is vital to becoming invested in whatever character's given journey that the writer has presented to the audience.

If my short stint in film school taught me anything about storytelling, it's that character development is essential to building a well-rounded character that your audience can connect with. Claremont was a master at this form of arc buiilding with the X-Men's characters. It will be nice to have X-Men movies where Wolverine and Charles aren't the only ones who end the movie in a different place than where they began.

 

[Iceman]

I'm partial to her Giant-Sized X-men costume (with boots...please no sandals...if the Dora get boots I don't see why the Weather Goddess gets flip flops) but her white TAS costume comes a close second.

Yeah, no flip flops lol.

 

[BoredGuy]

All my years in the punk scene, I've still never seen a floofy-ass mohawk like that

like Tina Turner meets Jake from The Casualties... lol

 

[Herofan]

So this question may have already been asked but how do you think they should handle Magneto's backstory when he eventually makes his MCU debut now that the character would have to be in his 80s or 90s for it to make sense? Cast an age appropriate actor? Modernize it so that he's a survivor a more recent genocide? Or maybe just leave it out completely like they did with Spider-Man's origin in Homecoming since we've already seen it done on film numerous times and the audience is already familiar with it?

I think it's most likely that, as in TAS, he will be established to have lost his family "in a war" or specifically an ethnic conflict, pretty vague but implied to be fairly recent (and the character not young but not very old) and so probably not specifically the Holocaust.

I myself would probably make him the son of Holocaust survivors. Although the character could potentially work just being old but that not really acknowledged, it being suspension-of-disbelief that he seem not as old as he literally textually is (which kind of happened in the Fox films).

 

[DawnWarrior]

I wonder if it would be possible to set up Magneto by hinting at his backstory as described, then in a later film reveal he spent like 30 years in a cryo-pod (four spaces down from the Winter Soldier perhaps) and that he was actually a Holocaust survivor.

 

[BoredGuy]

I kinda feel like the fewer "Cryogenically frozen" origin stories, the better

Magneto being frozen just so they can keep his (already-changed-by-Fox) origin would be super lame

 

[Mad Ones]

This. The mohawk means so much more than just "looking cool" i.e Apocalypse. It's symbolic of some of the most character defining moments in Storm's history. Marking the beginning of an arc where Storm now seasoned and grizzled, having fought various enemies that challenge her ideals and morality, wiling to put her life on the line to save Kitty from Callisto/Morlocks -- sees the world through very different eyes than when she was introduced. No longer is she as naive and wet behind the ears, wanting to see the good in people. She now knows the ugly truth and the mohawk is representative of Storm's mindset and darker outlook on the world at this point in her life. And of course, she lost her powers and still kicked ass as the leader of the X-Men cementing her place as one of the greatest Marvel characters of all time. A very emotional arc for Ororo and just proves why proper character development is vital to becoming invested in whatever character's given journey that the writer has presented to the audience.

If my short stint in film school taught me anything about storytelling, it's that character development is essential to building a well-rounded character that your audience can connect with. Claremont was a master at this form of arc buiilding with the X-Men's characters. It will be nice to have X-Men movies where Wolverine and Charles aren't the only ones who end the movie in a different place than where they began.

Yes, yes, yes. All of this!

 

[Marvel united]

I kinda feel like the fewer "Cryogenically frozen" origin stories, the better

Magneto being frozen just so they can keep his (already-changed-by-Fox) origin would be super lame

Yea, I'm not here for the cartoony/Satuday mourning excuses for him to keep the origin. It's outdated and it has to change, it's as simple as that. Magneto's motives work just as well if he's a victim of Bosnia and he's Croatian. Going TAS route and reducing his origin to "he lost his family" (keep in mind this show had to deal with strict censors) cheapens his impact. Ditto for an Erik who grew hearing stories about it but never actually LIVED it. However this idea could be taken a step further by having Erik's parents murded in the subsequent genocide in Bosnia. This would have actual impact as Erik would see his worst fears and the stories his parents told him, being realized right before his eyes. This gives him a compelling argument for WHY history can repeat itself with mutants.

also don't like the slow aging idea as it dehumanizes the character. We don't need to turn Erik into Wolverine. I'd rather Magneto not be a walking fossil/relic of the distant past like Cap.

 

[Iceman]

I wonder what budget Marvel will give this. I want it to be a case of no expense spared unlike the situation the early X-films faced.

 

[metaphysician]

Almost any question of casting would have to wait until after one decides how the X-Men, as a mythos, are to be incorporated into the setting. It makes a huge difference whether "mutants just started appearing last year" vs "mutants have been around for a while, but few in number until recently" vs "everyone has been around for decades just off-screen".

( That last one would be an *awful* idea, mind, I just include it for completeness sake. )

 

[CaptainWagner]

I wonder what budget Marvel will give this. I want it to be a case of no expense spared unlike the situation the early X-films faced.

This, I think, is one of the biggest boons for the new franchise. Singer's movies were crippled by low budgets and executives who were scared of the fantastic elements of the source material. Both those roadblocks are gone now!

And I'll join in to reiterate how terrible an idea it would be to contrive the plot to avoid having to update Magneto's backstory. I've yet to see an excuse that isn't cliched (cryo-freezing) or doesn't completely undermine his character (slowed aging). Making him a victim of atrocities that are still pressing issues for us today is the way to go. His character should seem ripped from the headlines.

 

[Lip]

I've yet to see an excuse that isn't cliched (cryo-freezing) or doesn't completely undermine his character (slowed aging). Making him a victim of atrocities that are still pressing issues for us today is the way to go. His character should seem ripped from the headlines.

For me it's not even about the bad excuses they'd have to come up with to not make Eric too old. It's about making Eric a character socially relevant now, bringing debates about stuff happening now, making people feel uncomfortable now.

It's the same about the diversity. I do feel like the X-Men in general need an update to reflect minorities now. I recently argued about making Kurt a latino, because for me it's a change that makes perfect sense because you maintain absolutely all the essence of the character. But if you're going to change a character to a group/ethnicity that doesn't reflect oppressed minorities now, then don't do it. Keep them all white then.

German, russian, canadian and irish is diversity. Not one that represent oppresed groups, but still "diversity".

 

[EnDz0n3]

I love this! Caricatures + X-men = Big Win