Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Mad Ones]

Precisely this. It's one of those instances where the story that succeeds it improves the quality of it's predecessor -- by adding context to those adventures that wasn't there when they were being told. In this instance, being used as a foundational building block of past history to not only establish & flesh out the close knitted relationship between members of the original team (a special bond) -- but also to cement it's importance as ground zero of their history by highlighting where the X-Men began and how their role in the world has transformed since they first formed.

I truly believe this is how the O5 should be represented in the MCU. As a precursor to a legacy that will give those adventures meaning and emotional significance.

I really like the idea of opening the movie on a prologue-- a mission with the O5 to establish that piece of history. And then transitioning to the Second generation of mutants to take up the legacy mantle. Marvel should take a page out of how they handled the origin in Captain Marvel, flashbacks peppered throughout the movie.

And hey, if there is a demand for it, you could even have a Disney+ show with the O5 and MCU tie-in comics detailing those events in more context.


But for the X-Men in it's current form, it has to be the Claremont era. That's when the X-Men started to matter and when their stories actually started to form into something much more meaningfully overt that spoke to society in general and it's treatment/marginalization of minority groups.

That's one of the things that bugged me about Fox staying in the past. The X-Men are disconnected from modern society and by consequence-- modern social plights that minorities face in contemporary society. And an environment where the X-Men can be used as a vehicle for relevent social talking points is where this franchise will thrive again and matter again in modern pop culture.

Whenever I think about how the movie could be done, I always imagine a long prologue and a heavy reliance on flashbacks. Some people feel that the X-men don't really need an origin story because the origin is "Xavier recruits a young mutant who needs help," but others were upset that the original trilogy never explored things like Cyclops' plane crash or Storm's time in Egypt and/or Kenya.

 

[Marvel united]

Whenever I think about how the movie could be done, I always imagine a long prologue and a heavy reliance on flashbacks. Some people feel that the X-men don't really need an origin story because the origin is "Xavier recruits a young mutant who needs help," but others were upset that the original trilogy never explored things like Cyclops' plane crash or Storm's time in Egypt and/or Kenya.

That's definitely the way to go. The origins for Scott, Ororo etc need to be shown to flesh out and add depth to their characters.

It blows my mind that we never saw the plane crash let alone Scott's time in the orphanage. It really just goes to show how little the writers cared for his character. These two elements of his backstory are hugely important to him

And Storm was running around in Egypt as a pick pocket which did put a smile on my face the first time I saw Apoc in theaters. But what makes that period in Ororo's life matter is the tragic events that precede it. Y'know, her parents being murdered, buried under the rubble of their own home -- And Storm developing severe claustrophobia and loneliness as she roamed the streets as an orphan.

The context is what makes it matter.

A lot of these characters come from tragic backgrounds rich with dramatic potential. I hope Marvel utilizes these origins to add dimension to the X-Men.

 

[BoredGuy]

Man, that movie was bad
I still haven't even give a single thought to seeing Dark Phoenix after that mess

 

[Shoppy]

Man, that movie was bad
I still haven't even give a single thought to seeing Dark Phoenix after that mess

If you thought Apocalypse was bad I'd definitely give Dark Phoenix a miss.
You'd be better off watching the Generation X tv movie.

 

[Lip]

It depends on how you see it, maybe.

Dark Phoenix was better than Apocalypse in some aspects, but overall for me the movie was lifeless and heartless. And that's the biggest mistake to make adapting such storyline. Especially when there was zero build up to that.

 

[Mad Ones]

Dark Phoenix had a really good first 30 minutes. The score and "shaky cam" action scenes worked really well occasionally. The film suffered from pretty much every bad habit the franchise had collected and from not knowing its characters.

Imagine being around X-men stories for more than a decade and then writing a murder-happy Nightcrawler. The villains ended up looking like pedestrians. So much for the "epic Dark Phoenix Saga"

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

That's definitely the way to go. The origins for Scott, Ororo etc need to be shown to flesh out and add depth to their characters.

It blows my mind that we never saw the plane crash let alone Scott's time in the orphanage. It really just goes to show how little the writers cared for his character. These two elements of his backstory are hugely important to him

And Storm was running around in Egypt as a pick pocket which did put a smile on my face the first time I saw Apoc in theaters. But what makes that period in Ororo's life matter is the tragic events that precede it. Y'know, her parents being murdered, buried under the rubble of their own home -- And Storm developing severe claustrophobia and loneliness as she roamed the streets as an orphan.

The context is what makes it matter.

A lot of these characters come from tragic backgrounds rich with dramatic potential. I hope Marvel utilizes these origins to add dimension to the X-Men.

I totally agree. MCU X-Men should probably give the audience a real sense of the characters' history and the forces that shaped them. One could even argue with the mutant characters that because the "origin" of their super powers is baked in it actually frees you up to devote time to beefing up character and back story.

This is also why I think fans need to be realistic in terms of how many characters we can expect to see on the big screen. An X film by its nature would have a sprawling cast even operating at a bare minimum.

 

[sleekstereo]

My lineup:

Cyclops
Jean
Nightcrawler
Storm
Colossus
Kitty Pride

Wolverine will have his own solo film or Disney+ series. Rogue will make her debut in Captain Marvel as the villian.

 

[Marvel united]

Hmm, this would be my starting roster:

- Cyclops
- Storm
- Marvel Girl
- Iceman
- Rogue
- Jubilee

As for the castings, it should be open to all races to ensure that Marvel's X-Men team is diverse. Just a natural part of the contemporary language that comes with updating this property for modern times

 

[Yowza]

If you thought Apocalypse was bad I'd definitely give Dark Phoenix a miss.
You'd be better off watching the Generation X tv movie.

I remember seeing advertisements on it but back then if missed a shooting have to wait on a re-run. Good luck finding the VHS or DVD at the local Pamida or On Cue bookstore back when I don't think I even ever had used Internet even though it existed then to an extent.

It was a television special never picked for series or really heard from again. I don't think I've still seen that or the Shield special that aired way back then on Fox TV.

The X-Mansion later used in the movies was supposedly the same that was used in this TV show though: Film Review: Generation X (1996) - HNN | Horrornews.net

I wonder if Marvel Studio's will go for a similar styled mansion.

 

[InCali]

Haven't, and most likely won't, see DP. Maybe if it's on HBO and I'm taking a sick day off work (but I'd have to be really sick and not just faking it). Apocalypse really killed it for me and that's a shame because I really like Sophie Turner. I REALLY think they need to give X-Men a rest, figure things out, and give some time to get that bitter taste out of (most of) our mouths. With regard to Scott, probably the biggest reason the first 2 movies didn't hold up well for me was the way he was portrayed. In retrospect, very, very disappointing. At the time, I really liked it, but it was at the very beginning of the CBM releases and I'd watch just about anything.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Haven't, and most likely won't, see DP. Maybe if it's on HBO and I'm taking a sick day off work (but I'd have to be really sick and not just faking it). Apocalypse really killed it for me and that's a shame because I really like Sophie Turner. I REALLY think they need to give X-Men a rest, figure things out, and give some time to get that bitter taste out of (most of) our mouths. With regard to Scott, probably the biggest reason the first 2 movies didn't hold up well for me was the way he was portrayed. In retrospect, very, very disappointing. At the time, I really liked it, but it was at the very beginning of the CBM releases and I'd watch just about anything.

As always... When I went to see X2 upon release and the film was at the mid point or so of the finale I leaned over to my friend and whispered "Wasn't Cyclops in this movie?"

And then he shows up again, finally... As a mind contolled pawn Jean has to overcome in a nearly wordless blink and you'll miss it fight.

So... 100% agreed.

 

[Zarex]

I wonder if Marvel Studio's will go for a similar styled mansion.

I'm thinking you ditch the mansion, at least at the start. Let the Hellfire Society's Westchester Academy operate out of the mansion with our scrappy bunch of mutants matriculating in a big house with a leaky roof and in serious need of landscaping. Downgrading the accommodations will make them easier to root for and distinguish the MCU reboot from the FOX series.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

If they are barely scrapping by though... What happens with the Blackbird? Who is paying for the high tech vistor and glasses Scott requires? Where are all the colorful unique costumes coming from? Is Cerebro now an app? How is Charles dealing with a school full of attendants that all have unique medical and physiological needs? Just to be the school nurse/medical staff would probably require a person to have some education on a variety of high level medical and genetic information and procedures. Forge might be a technosavant but even he needs material to work with. Is the Danger Room now a defunk warehouse with paintball guns?

I can't feel the idea of turning Xavier vs. Frost Academies into Snobs against Slobs. And I think it hamstrings the franchise along with begging lots of questions either way and adding unecessary complications that then require time dedicated to explaining their circumstances or the like which will eat into time I feel is better spent on character backstory, relationships, themes and yes, the spectacle of action sequences.

Seeing Cyclops complain about how there's no hot water or seeing Forge dumpster dive for junk doesn't add anything in my view, nor is it especially appealing.

I understand wanting to change up things with a fresh start but LoFi X-Men is not a thing I have interest in.

 

[Zarex]

If they are barely scrapping by though...

What happens with the Blackbird?

Who is paying for the high tech vistor and glasses Scott requires?

Where are all the colorful unique costumes coming from?

Is Cerebro now an app?

How is Charles dealing with a school full of attendants that all have unique medical and physiological needs?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

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Bravo! I'm just kicking myself now for not mentioning Charles' high tech wheelchair so you could have photoshopped Patrick Stewart onto a Rascal.

 

[Zarex]

Bravo! I'm just kicking myself now for not mentioning Charles' high tech wheelchair so you could have photoshopped Patrick Stewart onto a Rascal.

I kid! But I do think having Xavier's school in a less extravagant setting could be an interesting look for the team. And it's one we haven't seen onscreen in the Fox series.

Having them struggle to recruit new mutants (Those snobs at The Westchester Academy have stables. STABLES!!!!), keep the school afloat and get high tech combat gear could be fun. Especially in comparison to the "Send the bill to Tony!" advantage that the Avengers (and Spidey) have had in the MCU.

 

[BoredGuy]

That's also why I don't really want Beast featured much in the first couple movies, to separate them a bit more from the Avengers

No more goddamn super geniuses MCU!
Reed and possibly Doom are on the way, and we already have (had) Tony, Bruce, Shuri, Rocket, and Peter... plus lesser smarties like T'Challa, Quill, Zemo, etc

So I'd prefer the X-Men have to plug through with persistence and spunk rather than money and Einstein level intellects
Forge is fine for the sequel to build some fun toys, but I'm good on the pseudo-science for a minute

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

The thought of Cerebro being an app is hilarious.

 

[Marvel united]

Speaking of Beast, somebody mentioned that having a visible mutant character on the team is important and I sort of agree with that. But I'm afraid having Nightcrawler again so soon after DP would burn him out. And Beast is also better served sitting out the first two films imo. So I'm not sure who they could use to fill this quota if not Kurt.

Marrow? But she's a Morlock. Anole? Pixie? I guess it depends on how deep they want to go into the mythos.

 

[BoredGuy]

Maggot all day baby

lol

 

[Shoppy]

The X-Mansion later used in the movies was supposedly the same that was used in this TV show though: Film Review: Generation X (1996) - HNN | Horrornews.net

I wonder if Marvel Studio's will go for a similar styled mansion.

It was also the same mansion used for the exterior of Lex Luthor's house in Smallville.

 

[Mad Ones]

So I just saw some Eternals set pics and someone is wearing a costume that looks perfectly Phoenix-esque (the White Hot Phoenix of the Crown version). I'm once again super sour.

 

[psylockolussus]

Speaking of Beast, somebody mentioned that having a visible mutant character on the team is important and I sort of agree with that. But I'm afraid having Nightcrawler again so soon after DP would burn him out. And Beast is also better served sitting out the first two films imo. So I'm not sure who they could use to fill this quota if not Kurt.

Marrow? But she's a Morlock. Anole? Pixie? I guess it depends on how deep they want to go into the mythos.

Marrow is a member of the X-Men so that's acceptable. Marrow would be great. I wouldn't mindseeing Anole and PiXie, but I don't think of them as mutants I want to see forthe first couple of films.

Maggott isn't really important in the X-Men mythos, and I would only want to see him in a glorified cameo or smallrole.

Maybe Blink too. I feel like the comics don't really have anew breakout character anymore, this decade, as they always use the A listers and the usual faces. Like you can tell which prominent characters that were introduced to the X-Men or joined the X-Men during the 70s/80s/90s and even the 2000s, but not the 2010s. So using Marrow or 616 Blink in a mcu movie would put them in a higher status, and the comics won't rarely use them anymore.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Darwin, but not the token black guy who gets killed off.