Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

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I'm thinking you ditch the mansion, at least at the start. Let the Hellfire Society's Westchester Academy operate out of the mansion with our scrappy bunch of mutants matriculating in a big house with a leaky roof and in serious need of landscaping. Downgrading the accommodations will make them easier to root for and distinguish the MCU reboot from the FOX series.

Yeah, I think the best way to introduce the X-Men is through the eyes of some younger mutants on the lam before bringing them together at the school.

An ultra high-tech "Ship" base akin to what X-Factor used for a while I think would be a fun thing for some of the mutants to stumble upon as well at some point.
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Ship (comics) - Wikipedia
...Ship's A.I. was created untold millennia ago by the Celestials as the operating system for a data collection device. The Celestials had genetically manipulated humanity, and they left Ship in the area that would come to be known as Mongolia to monitor humanity's progress.

Circa 1100 A.D., a Mongolian immortal known as Garbha-Hsien (later known as Saul), discovered Ship and lived next to it while he researched its mysteries. Saul never attempted to enter Ship.

In time, the Egyptian immortal En Sabah Nur learned of Saul and sought him out as another immortal. In a confrontation, he slew all of Saul's guards. Saul then sought to humble his fellow "forever-walker" by revealing the secret titanic vessel. Having had previous experience with futuristic technology from his encounters with Rama-Tut, Nur attacked Saul and left the other immortal for dead and entered Ship. He later emerged having changed vastly now called himself Apocalypse.

Over the next few centuries, Ship's sentience slowly evolved...

Ship (comics) - Wikipedia
Ship next appeared as Apocalypse's cloaked mobile headquarters as he attacked New York with his Four Horsemen. Defeated by X-Factor, Apocalypse retreated, and was forced to leave Ship behind. During the battle, Ship's cloaking and navigation systems were damaged, X-Factor managed to get Ship to crash safely in the river. Ironically, the only building damaged in the crash was X-Factor's own headquarters. Conveniently, Ship also projected a force field that prevented non-mutants from entering, given these defences, X-Factor decided to adopt the Ship as their new home base.

When X-Factor tried to move in, they discovered that Ship was booby-trapped, Ship's A.I. then revealed itself and assisted them, and Rusty Collins, in disabling Ship's security. Ship became a butler of sorts to the team. Ship "had complete control over every part of its structure and was could fashion rooms, weapons and vehicles as needed from various storehouses and parts it had. It was able to design and run training programs for X-Factor, as well as make living quarters and workshop areas for them." However, it could not shut off the field that repelled non-mutants from its interior.

An attempt by the mutant called Infectia to steal the craft led to X-Factor ultimately moving Ship to a more mobile position over the Atlantic Ocean.

Ship played host to the New Mutants and the X-Terminators, as Professor X's mansion had been destroyed. Unfortunately this did not prevent Ship's defensive systems from attacking them when they brought aboard the entity known as Gosamyr. Ultimately, Ship was persuaded to generate a spacecraft that would remove Gosamyr from Earth.

In time, Ship took to space, responding to the call of the Celestials, with X-Factor unwittingly along for the ride, leaving them temporarily stranded on a planet undergoing its own mutant crisis. The Celestials collected the data Ship had gathered during its stay on Earth and Ship came to realize that Apocalypse had not created it. The Celestials showed it its true origin, when given the choice, Ship's A.I. decided to return to Earth with X-Factor. Upon Ship's return from space, it landed on-end as a building in Lower Manhattan.

Apocalypse later sent his Dark Riders to kidnap the infant Nathan Christopher Summers from within Ship. The Dark Riders infected Ship with a techno-organic virus that damaged its systems. Explosion imminent, Ship launched itself into space to protect the city.

Ship's A.I. managed to salvage part of itself as a construct which was able to protect and ferry X-Factor to the Blue Area of the Moon, where they joined the massive confrontation against Apocalypse. X-Factor found that baby Nathan had also been infected with the T-O virus, and that it threatened his life. A mysterious stranger named Askani appeared and offered to take Nathan to the future, where technology would be capable of saving him. As Ship's remaining form lost cohesiveness, it spent the remainder of its energy protecting Nathan Christopher on the trip. Although Ship's energy was dissipated in this way, when Nathan arrived in the future, there was no trace or mention of Ship


Ship (Character) - Comic Vine
Ship was created by Walter and Louise Simonson and first appeared in X-Factor 15 (1987).

Character Evolution
...When apocalypse infected Nathan Summers with the techno-organic virus, Ship accompanied Nathan (glowing orb in his chest) to the future and acted as a guide. Back in the present, Ship, now called Professor, was the central core of Cable's space base, Graymalkin. He was then the network in the X-Force base in Arizona. After a Phalanx tried to absorb the information in the bunker, the Phalanx's body wasn't able to contain the mass of information and Ship was able to transfer his consciousness into the body. He then took to the stars.


Complete Comics Reading Order Pertaining Vessel/Character For Anyone Interested: Prosh Reading Order | Complete Marvel Comics Reading Order
 
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Marrow is a member of the X-Men so that's acceptable. Marrow would be great. I wouldn't mindseeing Anole and PiXie, but I don't think of them as mutants I want to see forthe first couple of films.

Maggott isn't really important in the X-Men mythos, and I would only want to see him in a glorified cameo or smallrole.

Maybe Blink too. I feel like the comics don't really have anew breakout character anymore, this decade, as they always use the A listers and the usual faces. Like you can tell which prominent characters that were introduced to the X-Men or joined the X-Men during the 70s/80s/90s and even the 2000s, but not the 2010s. So using Marrow or 616 Blink in a mcu movie would put them in a higher status, and the comics won't rarely use them anymore.
Marrow or Blink are fine with me. Pixie later down the line too.
 
That's also why I don't really want Beast featured much in the first couple movies, to separate them a bit more from the Avengers

No more goddamn super geniuses MCU!
Reed and possibly Doom are on the way, and we already have (had) Tony, Bruce, Shuri, Rocket, and Peter... plus lesser smarties like T'Challa, Quill, Zemo, etc

So I'd prefer the X-Men have to plug through with persistence and spunk rather than money and Einstein level intellects
Forge is fine for the sequel to build some fun toys, but I'm good on the pseudo-science for a minute

A huge regrettable mischaracterisation of the characters; especially for T'Challa. A poor creative choice robbing T'Challa of his higher level intallect.
 
A huge regrettable mischaracterisation of the characters; especially for T'Challa. A poor creative choice robbing T'Challa of his higher level intallect.

I dunno. I really like Shuri, and she wouldn't have stood out to the degree she did if T'Challa was James Bond, M and Q in a cat suit. A guy being superhuman, a sage leader AND a polymath seems like it may be difficult to write for. Why would he need anybody else? Yeah, Tony got both the brains and the brawn, but many of his flaws also came with him from the comics.
 
That's also why I don't really want Beast featured much in the first couple movies, to separate them a bit more from the Avengers

No more goddamn super geniuses MCU!
Reed and possibly Doom are on the way, and we already have (had) Tony, Bruce, Shuri, Rocket, and Peter... plus lesser smarties like T'Challa, Quill, Zemo, etc

So I'd prefer the X-Men have to plug through with persistence and spunk rather than money and Einstein level intellects
Forge is fine for the sequel to build some fun toys, but I'm good on the pseudo-science for a minute

I don't think Peter has been portrayed as a super genius, more like above average kid with access to god tier technology...Wasn't Ned the one who "hacked" the Stark suit anyway? And Quill? Come on.
 
The thought of Cerebro being an app is hilarious.

A Tinder/Grindr for mutants.

plus lesser smarties like T'Challa, Quill, Zemo, etc

Isn't Quill supposed to be super stupid?

So I just saw some Eternals set pics and someone is wearing a costume that looks perfectly Phoenix-esque (the White Hot Phoenix of the Crown version). I'm once again super sour.

The one Jolie was wearing? I didn't think about Jean when I saw it, but yeah, something like that would work.
 
What Thena is wearing in the film is similar to her costume in the comics. It didnt really remind me of the PhoeniX's costume.
A Tinder/Grindr for mutants.
A Cerebro app won't be used for dating and hook ups.
 
Speaking of Beast, somebody mentioned that having a visible mutant character on the team is important and I sort of agree with that. But I'm afraid having Nightcrawler again so soon after DP would burn him out. And Beast is also better served sitting out the first two films imo. So I'm not sure who they could use to fill this quota if not Kurt.

Marrow? But she's a Morlock. Anole? Pixie? I guess it depends on how deep they want to go into the mythos.

Marrow would be cool, and she's perhaps the most visually arresting mutant they could pick if they want a character with an obvious physical mutation.

I really want them to boost a really obscure mutant to household name level status. I think it'd be an interesting story-telling exercise to put a character like Marrow on the same level as characters like Storm or Jean Grey.

  • Xavier
  • Jean Grey
  • Cyclops
  • Storm
  • Jubilee
  • Marrow
  • Sunfire
  • Iceman
That'd be a banging team.
 
Marrow isn't an obscure character, just an underused character in the comics. I remember seeing her first in that Capcom video game. She also appeared in Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon and X-Men Legends. A lot of characters that have joined the X-Men in the comics haven't appeared in a single video game and cartoon.
 
I think Magneto may be difficult to cast in the MCU depending upon the timeline of the MCU X-Men. I know that the Holocaust story is important to Magneto's background, but if the MCU X Men takes place in present day, I don't know how that would play into his background. Back with the first X Men movie in 1999, Ian McKellen was 60, so it was quite logical that Magneto was in his 60's or 70's when the first movie starts. If the X-Men were to take place in the present day, a Magneto who was a Holocaust survivor would either be in his 80's or 90's and I don't think Kevin Feige wants to go that old for Magneto.
 
Marrow isn't an obscure character, just an underused character in the comics. I remember seeing her first in that Capcom video game. She also appeared in Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon and X-Men Legends. A lot of characters that have joined the X-Men in the comics haven't appeared in a single video game and cartoon.
If they use Marrow, they could basically do a reverse of her arc in the comics. Where instead of starting as a Morlock and then joining the X-Men, she starts as an X-Man and then finds the Morlocks after having a falling out with the team. I mean, the X-Men is a rotating roster that does change consistently. @Protar I think thats a great idea. They could add a mutant who is much lesser-known and hasn't already been exposed to the GA just to keep things fresh.

Regarding Magneto -- there are only two ways they can do this. They can either update the origin or they find a way to explain why he doesn't look like an elder in his 90s
 
If they use Marrow, they could basically do a reverse of her arc in the comics. Where instead of starting as a Morlock and then joining the X-Men, she starts as an X-Man and then finds the Morlocks after having a falling out with the team. I mean, the X-Men is a rotating roster that does change consistently. @Protar I think thats a great idea. They could add a mutant who is much lesser-known and hasn't already been exposed to the GA just to keep things fresh.

Regarding Magneto -- there are only two ways they can do this. They can either update the origin or they find a way to explain why he doesn't look like an elder in his 90s

If they update his origins, my suggestion has been a Balkan Jew. He could still be Jewish, but from the former Yugoslavia having gone though the War that broke up Yugoslavia.
 
If they update his origins, my suggestion has been a Balkan Jew. He could still be Jewish, but from the former Yugoslavia having gone though the War that broke up Yugoslavia.
If Erik's origin is derived from Yugoslavia, wouldn't it make more sense for him to be Croatian or Bosnian, Bosniak Muslim? These two groups were massacred in the thousands during the Ethnic cleansing conflict of the Yugoslavia wars
 
A huge regrettable mischaracterisation of the characters; especially for T'Challa. A poor creative choice robbing T'Challa of his higher level intallect.

Eh the Black Panther movie said he designed one of his earlier Black Panther suits. He seems to be fairly smart.
 
I like Zazie Beets and all, but she can't play everything. Even though Josh Brolin was Thanos and Cable :p
 
If Erik's origin is derived from Yugoslavia, wouldn't it make more sense for him to be Croatian or Bosnian, Bosniak Muslim? These two groups were massacred in the thousands during the Ethnic cleansing conflict of the Yugoslavia wars

It would. If you have to make him a Holocaust survivor and try to bring him into the present day, something would have had to happen in either the 50's, 60's or 70's to where he was frozen in ice and when he is unfrozen in the present day, he looks the same. The problem with that is that the MCU already did that with Cap and Bucky and I am not sure that they would want to do that again. Xavier and Magneto are the same age and let's say that MCU Xavier in the present day is played by Bryan Cranston. Well, Cranston is 63 and Xavier is likely to be in his early 60's in the present day MCU. I would think that Magneto would be closer in age to Xavier, so he would have to be born in the 1960's. It would mean he would be in his late 20's, early 30's when Yugoslavia broke up. Freezing Holocaust Survivor Magneto after he had met Xavier and then unfreezing him in the present day would not make any sense.

There could be another option for MCU Magneto: he could be from Latin America, especially Argentina and Chile. They could make him a teenager during Operation Condor of the 70's and 80's. He could have been a supporter of Peron or Allende and was brutally tortured as a teen by either the Pinochet Regime or the Argentine Military Junta but somehow survived. This could harbor his resentment towards humans in the present day.

If you want to race switch Magneto as either Black or Asian, maybe he's a survivor of the Rwandan Genocide? Or a survivor of the Khmer Rouge? I don't think Magneto needs to be a Holocaust survivor in the MCU when there are other episodes of mass murder and genocide that have occurred since then and closer to the present day that an MCU Magneto can be connected to.
 
There could be another option for MCU Magneto: he could be from Latin America, especially Argentina and Chile. They could make him a teenager during Operation Condor of the 70's and 80's. He could have been a supporter of Peron or Allende and was brutally tortured as a teen by either the Pinochet Regime or the Argentine Military Junta but somehow survived. This could harbor his resentment towards humans in the present day.

I'm latin american and I never thought about this. I think it's very interesting. Very. It's a very painful part of our history, the US was involved in all this, and it's highly relevant considering the polical moment we're living. But honestly, it's never going to happen. Never. I simply cannot see Marvel/Disney portraying Eric as a socialist, bringing up the US involvement in the political terror in Latin America and bringing up, even superficially, such political debate. I don't see them using the mutant issues as an allegory to red scare.
 
I'm latin american and I never thought about this. I think it's very interesting. Very. It's a very painful part of our history, the US was involved in all this, and it's highly relevant considering the polical moment we're living. But honestly, it's never going to happen. Never. I simply cannot see Marvel/Disney portraying Eric as a socialist, bringing up the US involvement in the political terror in Latin America and bringing up, even superficially, such political debate. I don't see them using the mutant issues as an allegory to red scare.
Yea, this would definitely make Magneto politically relevent - to a very high, critical degree. I mean, how do you make the presence and arrival of Magneto a novelty again? By making him adjunct to modern issues.

Operation Conder was a horrific event that all parties involved (including the US which played a major part in the violence) have tried their best to cover up. I don't know if Disney would allow Marvel to go 'there' but it could be a very powerful scene where Erik points out the hypocrisy that many so-called patriots running this country have veiled themselves in.

Magneto should make people leave that theater questioning their own internal biases and prejudices. I do want to see a more critical look at minority rights
 
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We likely won’t getting any news on MCU X-Men for a while but in meantime here’s an interesting article written by scooper Charles Murphy that speculates on how the Eternals film can factor into the MCU introduction of Mutants.

 
It's going to take a long time for us to see the X-Men in the MCU. Probably even longer to see Eric.

I think the best thing about thinking how Eric could be modernized and introduced in the MCU it's talking history, and bringing more awareness to different kinds of crimes against humanity that happened in different places in the world.
 
We likely won’t getting any news on MCU X-Men for a while but in meantime here’s an interesting article written by scooper Charles Murphy that speculates on how the Eternals film can factor into the MCU introduction of Mutants.

I hope this happens so I can muster up some interest in that project. I find myself struggling to care about any of the Phase 4 films that have been announced.

My money and time is gonna be spent on the Disney+ side of things
 
I don't think Peter has been portrayed as a super genius, more like above average kid with access to god tier technology...Wasn't Ned the one who "hacked" the Stark suit anyway? And Quill? Come on.

Ain't no "above average" kids who could invent that web fluid and the shooters
I was in AP courses and "gifted and talented" programs, and there was not a single one of my classmates who could've pulled that off
He may not be the computer wiz that Ned is, but he's clearly very strong in chemistry and engineering and has high mechanical intelligence

Isn't Quill supposed to be super stupid?

Peter Quill's an idiot in many [most] ways, yes
But he also built all his own tech... its most likely based around advanced alien technology, but its still impressive for a young guy who wasnt taken in by the aliens until 10 or so
 
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