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Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

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To me this is like saying Carol Danvers is bigger than being Captain Marvel, or Falcon is bigger than Captain America. I don't get it.

Marvel is going to do Jane Foster Thor. Why not do Laura Kinney Wolverine?
Marvel have already done regular Thor. That's the entire point. I want to see X-23. If you want to unnecessarily make it a toss up between the 2 then unfortunately they are more likely to choose Logan as he is going to be worth megabucks to them and can support many solo films. I want all of them but you don't start the MCU with Jane Thor, Riri & Falcon. We also saw Falcon in his own right first before he took on the Cap mantle. I would have hated if he'd come straight in as Cap. I want to see X-23 first. If they then give her the Wolverine mantle after, then fine.
 
My dream original five of the Marvel's Mutant Cinematic Universe (if they go with just five mutants in the first film) are:

Jean Marvel Girl Grey
Ororo Storm Munroe
Ana Rogue Marie
Elizabeth Psylocke Braddock
Lorna Polaris Dane
 
My dream original five of the Marvel's Mutant Cinematic Universe (if they go with just five mutants in the first film) are:

Jean Marvel Girl Grey
Ororo Storm Munroe
Ana Rogue Marie
Elizabeth Psylocke Braddock
Lorna Polaris Dane
I think we have a fair chance of getting the top 4 in the very first film, along with Cyclops and maybe Iceman/Beast. It would be great to get at least 4 main female characters straight off the bat. Also I would be very interested to see what they can do with Lorna's costume and powers.
 
I think we have a fair chance of getting the top 4 in the very first film, along with Cyclops and maybe Iceman/Beast. It would be great to get at least 4 main female characters straight off the bat. Also I would be very interested to see what they can do with Lorna's costume and powers.
Having 4 X-Women in the first film would be eXciting

Though is there any chance that they don't use Marvel Girl and Storm in the first film Xpecially if they want it to be really different (roster wise) fromthe last X-Men film. We haven't seen Rogue in a supporting role in a film since 2006 - the Rogue cut doesn't count. Psylocke was a silent henchwoman in Apocalypse. And the general audience haven't seen Polaris in the big screen yet. I wouldn't mind if they save Storm/Marvel Girl in the 2nd film if the other X-Women took their place.
 
Having 4 X-Women in the first film would be eXciting

Though is there any chance that they don't use Marvel Girl and Storm in the first film Xpecially if they want it to be really different (roster wise) fromthe last X-Men film. We haven't seen Rogue in a supporting role in a film since 2006 - the Rogue cut doesn't count. Psylocke was a silent henchwoman in Apocalypse. And the general audience haven't seen Polaris in the big screen yet. I wouldn't mind if they save Storm/Marvel Girl in the 2nd film if the other X-Women took their place.
I would expect them to have Storm and Jean as part of the core, but hopefully this time they make Rogue a main X-Man from the start. If they want to go into her background first then that's fine but this Rogue should be very different and full of personality once she's properly on the team. Psylocke would be good to get an Asian woman on the main team from the start too, plus she's always been one of my favourites and has an exotic skill set and look. If they want to include Lorna's relationship with Magneto then they might prefer to intro her after the first film. I think it would be a great step to start with a majority female team. Maybe just have Cyclops and Beast as the other 2 main field team members (so 4/6 female) with Iceman a junior alongside Kitty and Jubilee. Iceman could graduate to the first team for the final act of the film maybe.
 
I definitely don't want
A Rogue starting as a villain
B Psylocke and the body swap. I'd like to see Kwannon as well someday, but just no to that body swap
C Polaris to be related to Magneto

I prefer if they are already in the team from the get go.
 
They could start out the film a bit like the start of Star Trek Generations. They could have a flashback to show the original team in action a few years ago (not sure when exactly - perhaps in those 5 years during the snap?). Then it could cut to present day and show a new team operating, or at least Professor X recruiting some new members.
 
For Iceman fan casting, I always go back and forth between Lucas Hedges and Harry Styles—two very different performances, but I think either would be exciting choices.

I’d like to see the original 5 in an opening X-Men film, but maybe they’re not intact as a team anymore with new mutants having already moved into the mansion (Storm, for example). Like, Krakoa or something similar has already occurred, and we as an audience are being introduced to the X-Men in the midst of their ‘second class’—you can even drive it home w/ a Polaroid of the team in their classic, comic-accurate uniforms.

Warren is gone, having left the mansion to run his father’s company. He's back to hiding his wings in a harness under his suit. And Beast left to work with Moira MacTaggart on Muir Island. Both can be cameos/supporting roles, but the primary team/focus would be Scott, Jean, and Iceman at the mansion joined by Storm, Forge, and Jubilee (who is moving-in at the film’s start after the recent emergence of her powers--so the audience gets further exposition as she’s introduced to new elements).

And, for story, I do think that the MCU’s X-Men can jump straight into a confrontation with a new iteration of the Brotherhood, and comic-accurate Sentinels. The general audience can easily forgive some exposition early in the film to set up the idea of mutants in the MCU—something simple enough along the lines of reports of individuals seen exhibiting strange powers or physical appearances. Real click-bait/National Enquirer stuff.

Open the film, or introduce it early in the script: A montage of cell phone / YouTube footage of potential mutant sightings being discussed on a Real Time with Bill Mahr-type talk show hosted by Christine Everhart (from Iron Man & Iron Man 2) with special panelists: DailyBugle.net Editor-in-Chief J. Jonah Jameson, New York senatorial candidate Robert Kelly, & renowned geneticist Charles Xavier. Kelly supports stricter monitoring for these so-called ‘mutants’, using the public’s paranoia after the Sokovia Accords and The Blip, and every world-ending MCU event in all fairness, to his advantage.

Mutants aren’t public knowledge yet, but the Brotherhood of Mutants (Avalanche, Blob, Toad, & Rogue, led by Destiny) begin targeting Kelly campaign headquarters, making it tougher to keep the lid on their existence (Destiny sees a dark path for mutants with Kelly in office). Xavier deploys his X-Men to stop the violence & recruit the Brotherhood to their peaceful cause of coexistence, but an eventual public brawl at a political rally outs the existence of mutants to the world, and the public turns to panic.

While the X-Men and Brotherhood clash, Sentinels are deployed to address the threat to homeland security as Project Wideawake is green-lit, lead by the enigmatic Tanya Trask who's grandfather, Bolivar, worked for the Strategic Scientific Reserve in WWII—not previously seen in other MCU films because he was working on the Pacific front. Perhaps this time period/setting can be revisited in future MCU films, exploring Bolivar clashing with Namor, given the latter’s history as the first mutant and his WWII origins as a Defender). Destiny’s actions to better the world for mutants have damned them all to the dark path she foretold.

End the film with Professor Xavier addressing the press for the first time with the X-Men (now joined by Rogue who switched sides during the film) as mutantkind, or maybe with Jubilee answering a knock on the mansion’s front door to find Nick Fury standing there looking for answers in a scene meant to end the film with a laugh—can’t figure which I want. Maybe the latter can be a secondary credits scene.

In a post-credit, reveal Kelly’s close personal aide to be Mystique (comic-accurate costume, please) and Destiny’s partner.

It’s a lot, but I think pretty doable for a Marvel feature based on what we’ve seen.
 
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I definitely don't want
A Rogue starting as a villain
B Psylocke and the body swap. I'd like to see Kwannon as well someday, but just no to that body swap
C Polaris to be related to Magneto

I prefer if they are already in the team from the get go.
Are there any X-Men who you wouldn’t mind starting as a villain or at least not total hero, or is that just something you don’t really like?

The body swap is going to be too much at this early stage while introducing the concept of mutants and X-Men to the MCU. I’m pretty sure most fans would be happy to skip it.

On the Polaris Magneto link is that because you don’t want to see Mags early onto did you just never like that link?
 
They could start out the film a bit like the start of Star Trek Generations. They could have a flashback to show the original team in action a few years ago (not sure when exactly - perhaps in those 5 years during the snap?). Then it could cut to present day and show a new team operating, or at least Professor X recruiting some new members.
I think that’s the only way that would be popular with everyone if they were to use the exact original 5. It could be a cool way of setting the history and giving a shoutout to the true comic origin before we dig into the MCU modern day team.
 
Marvel have already done regular Thor. That's the entire point. I want to see X-23. If you want to unnecessarily make it a toss up between the 2 then unfortunately they are more likely to choose Logan as he is going to be worth megabucks to them and can support many solo films. I want all of them but you don't start the MCU with Jane Thor, Riri & Falcon. We also saw Falcon in his own right first before he took on the Cap mantle. I would have hated if he'd come straight in as Cap. I want to see X-23 first. If they then give her the Wolverine mantle after, then fine.

There's a lot of regular versions of the characters Marvel didn't really do in service of the MCU. Hope Van Dyne is The Wasp.
 
There's a lot of regular versions of the characters Marvel didn't really do in service of the MCU. Hope Van Dyne is The Wasp.
Janet Van Dyne and Hope Van Dyne don’t have the massive differences that Thor and Jane Thor have or Cap and Falcon have or Stark and Riri have or Wolverine and X-23 have. In all of these cases we are talking about such different characters that you really want both versions to be covered in your universe. That isn’t necessarily the case for someone like Flash. Also if you miss out one of the Wasps it is nowhere near the same as skipping Thor Odinson, Rogers Cap, Stark Iron Man or Logan Wolverine. You also don’t do Donna Troy the first time in your film universe instead of Wonder Woman, but of course she’s great once you have done Wonder Woman. Looks like we don’t have the same views on this as we’re not getting any closer to agreeing - no probs. :cwink:
 
Introducing Laura to the X-Men first, though unlikely, wouldn’t be some affront to the character of Wolverine. The audience would obviously know where her story leads, and prolonging the build-up for moviegoing audience’s reintroduction to Logan could be worth it.
 
Janet Van Dyne and Hope Van Dyne don’t have the massive differences that Thor and Jane Thor have or Cap and Falcon have or Stark and Riri have or Wolverine and X-23 have. In all of these cases we are talking about such different characters that you really want both versions to be covered in your universe. That isn’t necessarily the case for someone like Flash. Also if you miss out one of the Wasps it is nowhere near the same as skipping Thor Odinson, Rogers Cap, Stark Iron Man or Logan Wolverine. You also don’t do Donna Troy the first time in your film universe instead of Wonder Woman, but of course she’s great once you have done Wonder Woman. Looks like we don’t have the same views on this as we’re not getting any closer to agreeing - no probs. :cwink:

Yeah they do. Hope Van Dyne is nothing like Janet.

Once again, none of these reasons are why they can't do Laura Kinney Wolverine.
 
If Marvel wants to retain iconography of O5 as opposed to creating their own "Original team" -- I do think it would be best to establish in a prologue & start with the O5 recently disbanded

Hank gone on an internship, Warren joined the board at WI, Bobby is a HS senior, Scott is Xavier's aid and Jean following in Xavier's footsteps, majors in Biology, specifically in the discipline of Genetics.

An event happens (Brotherhood?) that is cause for Xavier to recruit a new team of mutants i.e the Second Genesis and the true beginning to the X-Men's story in the MCU, begins.
 
Yeah they do. Hope Van Dyne is nothing like Janet.

Once again, none of these reasons are why they can't do Laura Kinney Wolverine.
It's not the same as taking the mantle of some of the most well known core Marvel characters combined with gender/racial differences as well as all being very different in character (like Hope and Janet are), plus Wasp is just a much smaller character than these headliners yet we've still already had both Hope and Janet in the MCU. Not sure why it is a big issue to you to have both Logan and Laura. The one thing we've not had is the MCU skip a megabucks iconic character altogether for a character that would later take their mantle.

Seems like you're doing your best to convince a fan of Laura who really wants her in to ...I don't know, not want her in? :hehe:

It's getting a bit confusing but to clarify, do you only want her in if she’s Wolverine off the bat and if they suggest her as X-23 you have no interest? It seems weird to carry another character’s name when they haven’t even been introduced. Post Endgame we can get Falcon in all his glory taking the shield from Rogers Cap and Jane Foster can take the name Thor from Odinson. It seems to be working well doing it that way. I don't expect them to want to miss out on the money they could get from Logan Wolverine in the MCU with or without the X-Men so I guess it all comes down to their decision on that. In the meantime I'll cheer for her to be involved (as well as Logan) and you can just cheer for her to be involved. :up:
 
If Marvel wants to retain iconography of O5 as opposed to creating their own "Original team" -- I do think it would be best to establish in a prologue & start with the O5 recently disbanded

Hank gone on an internship, Warren joined the board at WI, Bobby is a HS senior, Scott is Xavier's aid and Jean following in Xavier's footsteps, majors in Biology, specifically in the discipline of Genetics.

An event happens (Brotherhood?) that is cause for Xavier to recruit a new team of mutants i.e the Second Genesis and the true beginning to the X-Men's story in the MCU, begins.
Al sounds good to me. Would be good to see some of the O5 then combine with the new guys and show evidence of their field experience and working together.
 
I definitely don't want
A Rogue starting as a villain
B Psylocke and the body swap. I'd like to see Kwannon as well someday, but just no to that body swap
C Polaris to be related to Magneto

I prefer if they are already in the team from the get go.
But.... why?

The body-swap I get, it's got all sorts of uncomfy ramifications. But why would you completely alter Polaris' character, especially when Magneto's two most famous kids have already been stripped of their ties to him? And Rogue starting as an antagonist makes her so much more interesting. Her dynamic with characters like Mystique is huge. Plus, why pass up a chance to see her and Gambit running together causing mayhem?
 
Such as what?
Her adapting the identity comes with a ton of baggage, and, primarily, her character would have to be completely altered to not have Logan as Wolverine first. Even with Carol Danvers, they still had a version of Mar-Vell, and her connection to the original is a whole lot more direct than Laura's. Would she even still be a clone, if they were to do away with Logan?
 
Introducing Laura to the X-Men first, though unlikely, wouldn’t be some affront to the character of Wolverine. The audience would obviously know where her story leads, and prolonging the build-up for moviegoing audience’s reintroduction to Logan could be worth it.
I want both so it doesn't bother me. It is just going to be weird if she calls herself Wolverine rather than X-23, and then Logan comes in as Wolverine too. I'd be quite happy for them to both be in from the start. She isn't just a copycat character so they both have plenty to offer.
 
Al sounds good to me. Would be good to see some of the O5 then combine with the new guys and show evidence of their field experience and working together.
Yes, precisely. I could see the disbandment hitting Scott the hardest as he wanders around the Mansion like a spector. He's the only X-Man who can't move on with his life or rather, has not found his calling. But once Xavier tasks him with training the new recruits and the X-Men are reborn, he realizes that his calling IS the X-Men and that's where he belongs; that's his destiny.

Cap went through a similar arc in TWS and I thought it was executed wonderfully
 
Yes, precisely. I could see the disbandment hitting Scott the hardest as he wanders around the Mansion like a spector. He's the only X-Man who can't move on with his life or rather, has not found his calling. But once Xavier tasks him with training the new recruits and the X-Men are reborn, he realizes that his calling IS the X-Men and that's where he belongs; that's his destiny.

Cap went through a similar arc in TWS and I thought it was executed wonderfully
Yeah, this is all good material for Cyclops. He is the one that will be the most invested in the team, their purpose and link with Xavier's ideals, and as a result will be most lost when the team is split. Cyke needs to be a core focus this time around. The absence of Wolverine from the first film might help with that.
 
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For Iceman fan casting, I always go back and forth between Lucas Hedges and Harry Styles—two very different performances, but I think either would be exciting choices.

I’d like to see the original 5 in an opening X-Men film, but maybe they’re not intact as a team anymore with new mutants having already moved into the mansion (Storm, for example). Like, Krakoa or something similar has already occurred, and we as an audience are being introduced to the X-Men in the midst of their ‘second class’—you can even drive it home w/ a Polaroid of the team in their classic, comic-accurate uniforms.

Warren is gone, having left the mansion to run his father’s company. He's back to hiding his wings in a harness under his suit. And Beast left to work with Moira MacTaggart on Muir Island. Both can be cameos/supporting roles, but the primary team/focus would be Scott, Jean, and Iceman at the mansion joined by Storm, Forge, and Jubilee (who is moving-in at the film’s start after the recent emergence of her powers--so the audience gets further exposition as she’s introduced to new elements).

And, for story, I do think that the MCU’s X-Men can jump straight into a confrontation with a new iteration of the Brotherhood, and comic-accurate Sentinels. The general audience can easily forgive some exposition early in the film to set up the idea of mutants in the MCU—something simple enough along the lines of reports of individuals seen exhibiting strange powers or physical appearances. Real click-bait/National Enquirer stuff.

Open the film, or introduce it early in the script: A montage of cell phone / YouTube footage of potential mutant sightings being discussed on a Real Time with Bill Mahr-type talk show hosted by Christine Everhart (from Iron Man & Iron Man 2) with special panelists: DailyBugle.net Editor-in-Chief J. Jonah Jameson, New York senatorial candidate Robert Kelly, & renowned geneticist Charles Xavier. Kelly supports stricter monitoring for these so-called ‘mutants’, using the public’s paranoia after the Sokovia Accords and The Blip, and every world-ending MCU event in all fairness, to his advantage.

Mutants aren’t public knowledge yet, but the Brotherhood of Mutants (Avalanche, Blob, Toad, & Rogue, led by Destiny) begin targeting Kelly campaign headquarters, making it tougher to keep the lid on their existence (Destiny sees a dark path for mutants with Kelly in office). Xavier deploys his X-Men to stop the violence & recruit the Brotherhood to their peaceful cause of coexistence, but an eventual public brawl at a political rally outs the existence of mutants to the world, and the public turns to panic.

While the X-Men and Brotherhood clash, Sentinels are deployed to address the threat to homeland security as Project Wideawake is green-lit, lead by the enigmatic Tanya Trask who's grandfather, Bolivar, worked for the Strategic Scientific Reserve in WWII—not previously seen in other MCU films because he was working on the Pacific front. Perhaps this time period/setting can be revisited in future MCU films, exploring Bolivar clashing with Namor, given the latter’s history as the first mutant and his WWII origins as a Defender). Destiny’s actions to better the world for mutants have damned them all to the dark path she foretold.

End the film with Professor Xavier addressing the press for the first time with the X-Men (now joined by Rogue who switched sides during the film) as mutantkind, or maybe with Jubilee answering a knock on the mansion’s front door to find Nick Fury standing there looking for answers in a scene meant to end the film with a laugh—can’t figure which I want. Maybe the latter can be a secondary credits scene.

In a post-credit, reveal Kelly’s close personal aide to be Mystique (comic-accurate costume, please) and Destiny’s partner.

It’s a lot, but I think pretty doable for a Marvel feature based on what we’ve seen.
I think this could work reallly well, although I'd make a few a changes

- I'd make the training of the new team part of the narrative so characters like Storm, Jubilee, Forge etc can have proper development as a team. You could essentially have Scott and Jean training a new team and these people with conflicting personalities have to learn how to work together, dramatic conflict ensues.

I could see a great scene that is basically the cresndo to this conflict and frustration on Scott's part -- where he gives everybody a standard X-Men uniform but the next time he see them in the suits, they've all changed/personalized them i.e Storm has cut off the sleeves and added the classic twin cape, Jubilee ditches the mask for the mono goggles/glasses, Forge's uniform is basically unrecognizable as he's changed almost everything about it into something much more technology-based but it still retains the classic color scheme. At this moment, Scott realizes that the way he's been training these people is ALL wrong, he's been trying to make them basically quasi O5 but he has an epiphany; these people are not O5 and they will NEVER be the original 5. But that's okay, because they are true to themselves and once he embraces their individuality, they flourish as a team and kick ass.

At the end of the movie, I could see Scott giving each member of the X-Men a gift as a reward for their victory. And what is revealed are the iconic personalised costumes for each character that is basically an evolution of what they did with their uniforms. Scott and Jean are also now wearing individualized suits embracing this new generation and new ideal that was built on the legacy of the O5

- I'd make the Brotherhood's appearance the reason why the X-Men are formed again. The Brotherhood could be comprised of various mutants that the O5 X-Men fought in the past (which makes it more personal and the reason why Xavier feels like they are their responsibility) . But now they've all come together and they are lead by a new foe in Destiny with a new secret weapon in Rogue. The All-New, All-Different X-Men get their butts handed to them in their first fight with the Brotherhood because none of them minus Scott, Jean and Bobby have experience fighting the Brotherhood and nobody* has experience fighting Rogue who nearly solos the entire team.

This first defeat could lead to Scott blowing up at the team when they get back at the Mansion which could lead into development for Scott and Jean's relationship as he goes to meditate the anger off and she comes into his room and has a heart to heart with him.

- I'd make Project Wide Awake the backdrop of the story. Like something that is happening in the background amidst all this chaos. We could have a scene where the X-Men are huddled aroune the TV watching Kelly talk about the Countdown to unveiling what this project is.

Your idea for the climax sounds great. The X-Men vs Brotherhood fight turns into an X-Men vs. Brotherhood vs. Sentinels fight and then just X-Men vs. Sentinels as they start to malfunction and target civilians. It could be huge battle but they'd have to make sure to approach it differently do it's not too similar to DOFP And everything else you named in your pitch would be great!
 
Thanks; I really like some of the elements you fleshed it out with, especially some of the character motivations (such as Scott).
 
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