Michael B Jordan IS Erik Killmonger!

[Stringer]

I never bought that he was genuinely invested in helping his brothers and sisters for their betterment even through extreme methods. He just seemed like a guy with a power trip and anyone and everyone is expendable if they oppose him or get in his way.

I dunno, maybe its just me, but I never felt tragic pain for him. But that doesnt take away from the fact that he was an A+ villain.

A lot of it is cause and effect. The previous king was the reason for his loneliness, rage, and hatred. T'Challa understood that in the end. That rage and hatred that he caused clouded Killmonger's judgement and approach which part of the significance of his scars. After personally killing that many people it's no surprise he's so detached and would believe every person was expendable for the mission.

 

[KevTravels]

It would have helped had we seen him say something when Klaue held the gun to his girl's head. Maybe a line or dialogue to express how she meant something, but her value was nothing compared to his desires for Wakanda.

 

[Spiderine]

It would have helped had we seen him say something when Klaue held the gun to his girl's head. Maybe a line or dialogue to express how she meant something, but her value was nothing compared to his desires for Wakanda.

That was just coldblooded.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

[BLACKOUT]Well he sort of reassured her before killing her.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Chance Jackson]

I never bought that he was genuinely invested in helping his brothers and sisters for their betterment even through extreme methods. He just seemed like a guy with a power trip and anyone and everyone is expendable if they oppose him or get in his way..

they aren't mutually exclusive but the path he proscribes is as ugly as the path that put him on his journey

 

[Spiderine]

Well he sort of reassured her before killing her.

Yeah I am sure that made her feel better. Be careful when you date a guy they nicknamed the Kilmonger. Probably a stone cold killer.

 

[KevTravels]

what did he say? maybe i missed his line to her. Or maybe we could have a line where Killmonger mentioned to Klaue about that.

 

[Stringer]

I think she knew it was over when Klaue got the drop on her which is why she apologized.

 

[kguillou]

I think maybe just one scene of showing Killmonger takes no pride in what he does but is willing to do it for thw "greater good" wouldve made me connect with him more because, again, I never felt he gave a damn about Wakanda or anyone for that matter. He just wanted to be king and the power that comes with it.

 

[samsnee]

I think that was the point. He hadn’t learned the lesson T’Challa did in Civil War, which was not letting vengeance consume you.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

what did he say? maybe i missed his line to her. Or maybe we could have a line where Killmonger mentioned to Klaue about that.

Something like: "It'll be alright."

 

[JtheDreamer]

I think maybe just one scene of showing Killmonger takes no pride in what he does but is willing to do it for thw "greater good" wouldve made me connect with him more because, again, I never felt he gave a damn about Wakanda or anyone for that matter. He just wanted to be king and the power that comes with it.

ZERO development of the character's motivations. It's simply implied because we know T'Chaka killed his father.

For me personally it was a major detractor and so was his constant swagger, which clearly was portrayed to appeal to younger generations. The end scene with he and T'Challa was painful to watch and could've resonated more with a better actor.

 

[Chance Jackson]

ZERO development of the character's motivations. It's simply implied because we know T'Chaka killed his father.

For me personally it was a major detractor and so was his constant swagger, which was clearly was portrayed to appeal to younger generations. The end scene with he and T'Challa was painful to watch and could've resonated more with a better actor.

I thought his irreverence for wakandan tradition and its isolationist interests made him the perfect foil for T'Challa and the movie

 

[JtheDreamer]

I thought his irreverence for wakandan tradition and its isolationist interests made him the perfect foil for T'Challa and the movie

The "idea" of it is fine. It's the execution for me that fell flat. I mean he rolls up to Wakanda and in 2.5 seconds he's already changed their worldview and shipping out Vibranium contraband. Obviously I'm exaggerating a bit, but I just found it extremely jarring.

His backstory and development into the threat to the Wakandan throne deserved more time to breath.

 

[Chance Jackson]

I liked the omelette line, LOL!

Ditto that an "I'd like to take this time to explain my evil plan" lol

Ultron is like my 2nd favorite MCU villain now that Killmonger has surpassed him

 

[StarLord]

The end scene with he and T'Challa was painful to watch and could've resonated more with a better actor.

Which are you implying is the weaker actor?

Personally, that scene near broke my heart. It was brilliant.

 

[Greens]

For me personally it was a major detractor and so was his constant swagger, which was clearly was portrayed to appeal to younger generations. The end scene with he and T'Challa was painful to watch and could've resonated more with a better actor.

That end scene did feel weird, the way it was acted and edited. Very quick and matter-of-factly, not much dramatic weight.

 

[Chance Jackson]

The "idea" of it is fine. It's the execution for me that fell flat. I mean he rolls up to Wakanda and in 2.5 seconds he's already changed their worldview and shipping out Vibranium contraband. Obviously I'm exaggerating a bit, but I just found it extremely jarring.

His backstory and development into the threat to the Wakandan throne deserved more time to breath.

I wouldn't say he changed their world view:

-Nakia(Lupita) already wanted to do something about the condition of the world which is why she joined and remains a war dog

-W'Kabi(Kaluya) contends to T'Challa that letting in refugees would also let in their problems degrading Wakanda and offers instead to send out his men to clean up the world

clearly not everyone was onboard with Wakanda's isolationist policy N'Daka(MBJ) was the first non-isolationist Wakandan to be King and he was on board with cleaning up the world over riding the traditionalist wing of Wakandan Society

Which are you implying is the weaker actor?

Personally, that scene near broke my heart. It was brilliant.

this that line will resonate with me forever

 

[Tg11]

MBJ definitely was menacing as Killmonger. He definitely played the role of villain well and to think MBJ has always been known for playing the good guy or playing guys that you can root for. However, in Black Panther seeing him as a villain was a change of pace. A change of pace I definitely liked and he definitely is one of the more memorable villains in MCU history.

 

[kguillou]

ZERO development of the character's motivations. It's simply implied because we know T'Chaka killed his father.

For me personally it was a major detractor and so was his constant swagger, which was clearly was portrayed to appeal to younger generations. The end scene with he and T'Challa was painful to watch and could've resonated more with a better actor.

Yeah, I'm kinda with you man. Again, I LOVED MBJ's swagger and menace in the role but I never once felt bad for him. He was just a heartless bastard that needed to be put down before going too far. They tried to add some sympathy for him with the whole father angle, but that wasnt enough for me to side with him.

He says at one point "they killed everything ive ever loved!" but that line felt disengenuous because of what the film chose to show us about him and his character. Perhaps if the movie tacked on two extra minutes at the very beginning of him as a child bonding with his Pops and THEN T'Chakka kills him, that already adds a ton of weight and sympathy towards him because we SAW how much his father meant to him. But from what the film shows us, Killmonger doesnt even seem capable of love. I'm willing to bet Coogler did shoot more backstory scenes with him and his father but needed to cut it for pacing/time.

 

[Tg11]

You are probably right in all of that but I definitely loved his character

 

[Stringer]

ZERO development of the character's motivations. It's simply implied because we know T'Chaka killed his father.

For me personally it was a major detractor and so was his constant swagger, which was clearly was portrayed to appeal to younger generations. The end scene with he and T'Challa was painful to watch and could've resonated more with a better actor.

Can't agree with you here. His vengeance may have been the driving force behind him getting to Wakanda but his mission and resolve is solidified when he visits his father. Killmonger is doing his father's work (although its distorted through his pain). And no he wasn't portrayed that way to appeal to younger generations. What does that even mean? He's a charismatic young black American; he simply is who he is.

 

[Tg11]

Killmonger if anything is a villain you can actually sympathize or even empathize with

 

[JtheDreamer]

Can't agree with you here. His vengeance may have been the driving force behind him getting to Wakanda but his mission and resolve is solidified when he visits his father. Killmonger is doing his father's work (although its distorted through his pain). And no he wasn't portrayed that way to appeal to younger generations. What does that even mean? He's a charismatic young black American; he simply is who he is.

I know that's who MBJ is. That problem is that's all he ever is - same tone, same delivery. You can be charismatic, but that doesn't always translate to the role being played. Go watch a villain like Zemo from Civil War who had the same vengeance on his mind. He wasn't bloodthirsty in ever single scene. The role (while limited in screen time like most MCU villains) was handled with nuance. Killemonger is angry militant the entire time. His mannerisms were like watching fights break out at a bar.

Remember Wakanda was in his blood, so there should have been a better balance between the revenge he was seeking and the unspoken appreciation for ancestral homeland and the stories his father told him.

 

[JtheDreamer]

That end scene did feel weird, the way it was acted and edited. Very quick and matter-of-factly, not much dramatic weight.

Exactly.

Yeah, I'm kinda with you man. Again, I LOVED MBJ's swagger and menace in the role but I never once felt bad for him. He was just a heartless bastard that needed to be put down before going too far. They tried to add some sympathy for him with the whole father angle, but that wasnt enough for me to side with him.

He says at one point "they killed everything ive ever loved!" but that line felt disengenuous because of what the film chose to show us about him and his character. Perhaps if the movie tacked on two extra minutes at the very beginning of him as a child bonding with his Pops and THEN T'Chakka kills him, that already adds a ton of weight and sympathy towards him because we SAW how much his father meant to him. But from what the film shows us, Killmonger doesnt even seem capable of love. I'm willing to bet Coogler did shoot more backstory scenes with him and his father but needed to cut it for pacing/time.

Bingo.

On one hand they were trying to keep the twist a secret that a son existed, but it hurt the character later one because we literally knew nothing about him. Everything is expressed thru his own exposition later on all while he's killing everyone he can. I mean the guy had kill notches all over his skin.