Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor

[DarthSkywalker]

Rip off? That gameplay looked great. If the combat is fun, familiar and intuitive then it's great, right? It only becomes derivative if it isn't served with variety... If those 'nemesis' encounters all feel the same and if your character is boring then fine.... But if that core gameplay is fun and it's wrapped around a great story and some genuinely unique ideas (like the Nemesis system) then I see zero wrong with it.

I mean honestly, some of the greatest games out there are a combination of existing gameplay mechanics put through with a new spin... Uncharted was Tomb Raider, Darksiders was God of War and Zelda with the art style of WOW.... I mean, at the moment both Batman and Assassins Creed use the same combat system.... But does either one detract from the unique feel of the other? Hell no.

Here's an embed for the trailer

There is nothing new here. Only a mishmash of other games. IF it is fun, good, but that doesn't change that. There are vast differences in Batman and Creed, Uncharted and Tomb Raider. Batman, Creed and Uncharted all brought something new, fresh and incredible to the table. This has nothing of the sort.

Derivative is always going to be derivative. That they slapped two swords on his back and gave him Geralt's strut doesn't help either. That is simply presentation and they still couldn't help themselves. You can like it, but I am also allowed to call it as I see it and it isn't like they tried to hide it.

 

[zenith16]

There is nothing new here. Only a mismatch of other games. IF it is fun, good, but that doesn't change that. There are vast differences in Batman and Creed, Uncharted and Tomb Raider. Batman, Creed and Uncharted all brought something new, fresh and incredible to the table. This has nothing of the sort.

Derivative is always going to be derivative. That they slapped two swords on his back and gave him Geralt's strut doesn't help either. That is simply presentation and they still couldn't help themselves. You can like it, but I am also allowed to call it as I see it and it isn't like they tried to hide it.

yo Darth it has nothing to do with it being new. They took what was done in other games , yes and still made their own thing out of it and it seems so far they did it well. They play mechanic's that's similar is the basis of what was taken from the other games, but they still made their own original thing and have their own identity with it and that's just as fine as anything else.

No one wants a wheel reinvented here. they just want a fun game and it isn't fully. ripping off. when was the last time people can control the enemies army?

Spoiler

with something the very similar to a valcan version of telepathy ?

I can't remember another game that did this.



just let others enjoy it for what it is.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There own thing? What slapped Middle-Earth on it. And I am enjoying it for what it is. Why must it be "defended"? Because you like how it looks?

I really enjoy playing Dishonored. I know it is all but a blatant rip off. I enjoy it for "what it is".

 

[zenith16]

what did I just say with the mind control aspect for a third person game yeah it is I should put that in blanks though.

I enjoyed Dishonored but this character is controlling an army instead of one person with posession. there's a big difference.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That is literally one thing in something that looks like it could be a mod for Assassin Creed.

 

[zenith16]

so what it's not like assassins were the only people that can move like that. that's the same flimsy argument that was used when god of war came out and since then you always find some ignorant gamer say that series is being ripped off even with others being made prior to it. just there's sword bein used as if it's the only game that ever existed to have it .

stop worrying about that I know the people that made those games won't they'll take it as flattery. and be happy they some what inspired another studio but they still put their own elements in there to make sure their's is different identity wise.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What did God of War rip off blatantly? I am being serious here, because I am having trouble remembering. The only games in that genre at the time of any relevance were Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden, and they are all very different from one another. In terms of combat, storytelling and world.

And seriously zenith, stop telling me how to feel.

 

[Brother Jack]

I'll definitely have to wait until there are reviews out before I consider getting it. Lord of the Rings has had a spotty history with vidja games and this looks like it could easily be a hollow and cheap imitation of Assassin's Creed and the Batman Arkham games. We'll see.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I wouldn't say VERY different.... They're about as different in combat, storytelling and world as this game is from Assassins Creed 2.

 

[BrollySupersj]

Will this game have customization? Different outfits and all?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Will this game have customization? Different outfits and all?

As odd as this sounds, this does really matter to me. I remember how much I loved messing with Ezio's look in Revelations, even if it was slight.

 

[zenith16]

What did God of War rip off blatantly? I am being serious here, because I am having trouble remembering. The only games in that genre at the time of any relevance were Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden, and they are all very different from one another. In terms of combat, storytelling and world.

And seriously zenith, stop telling me how to feel.

I didn't say that either. What I said is that it's similar to the claim that an ignorant gamer always says when they see a hack a slash like Devil may cry old school and you see them make the claim in passing in the trailer comments like game trailer's site and the rest that it's a "god of war rip off." just on the basis that it's a hack and slash and there's combo's in its period. As if it invented that. That's what I meant by that comment. And always see another come onto to them person which came first.

Oh . I am not telling you how to feel. I'm told to stop telling people how to feel. Yeah, they took the basis of what was done in other games like Arkham and others but they still added a tone of their own inventiveness here with this game.

There's stuff that's similar yes, but not the same. And there's enough tires for it to stand up to be its own best game. It's ain't your thin film . You said your peace just leave it at that.

I'll be following this thing on my own to see how it does. So I won't be posting on here about it with the latest news and trailers, but I see the stuff they added here for it to stand up on its own feet.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I didn't say that ether. what I said is that it's similar to the claim that a ignorant gamer always says when they see a hack an slash like Devil may cry old school and you see them make the claim in passing in the trailer comments like game trailer's site that it's a god of war rip off. just on the basis that it's a hack and slash and there's combo's in it period. as if it invented that. that's what I meant with that comment.

I ain't telling you how to feel. I'm telling to stop telling people how to feel. yeah they took the basis of what was done in other games like arkham and others but they still added a tone of their own inventiveness here with this game.

there stuff that's similar yes , but not the same. and there's enough there's for it to stand up to be it's own good game. I'll be fallowing this thing on my own to see how it does. so I won't be posting on here about it with the latest news and trailers but I see the stuff they added here for it to stand up on it's own.

Zenith I am having trouble following you. Is English not your first language?

And there is big difference between random comments on GT a decade ago, and what I am writing right now. I am not just spouting. The footage is clear as day. God of War looks nothing like Devil May Cry. This looks exactly like it plays like a blend of Creed and Arkham, with the presentation of the Witcher 2/3.

And how exactly am I telling others how to feel? I saying what I see, and how I feel about it. It is the exact opposite of what you are doing.

 

[zenith16]

It's not that at all cause I'm a anglophone as the french like to call English people here. which means I am English. I do have an issue with some words forming my head and it doesn't always come out well and even though I spell check as I did.

It's just never on time for some one like you that likes to make sure take a jab at me with it. which is always lame when some one does that.

As to the thing with game trailers no it still happens often, too. this is just one video, everything hasn't been shown off. If your writing it off now, then this game isn't your thing. As you said . Now that you said it, There's no further reason to be staying here.

It's as Happy jack said. Just wait and see how it turns out.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

There is nothing new here. Only a mishmash of other games. IF it is fun, good, but that doesn't change that. There are vast differences in Batman and Creed, Uncharted and Tomb Raider. Batman, Creed and Uncharted all brought something new, fresh and incredible to the table. This has nothing of the sort.

What a load of circumstantial rubbish. Uncharted looked unremarkable and derivative right up until the game actually launched. The level of tripe coming from you now is appalling.

It looks uninspired? Fair enough, be apprehensive (something we should all probably do with every game) but writing it off because of the gameplay in one video? Without seeing the rest of the gameplay... Without seeing if there's any kind of puzzle mechanics, deep story telling, some unique angle (like the fact that when you die, you rise from the dead 2 weeks later and the world has moved on) any kind of RPG elements, an MP components... I mean there is SO much we don't know and you're going to write it off because it seems to borrow the combat from two other great games?

You know the Witcher 3 has taken the Assassins Creed combat system, right? Is that going to make that game derivative too?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

it's not that all cause I'm a anglophone as the french like to call english people here. I do have an issue with some words and it doesn't always come out well and even thouh I spell check as I did it's never on time for some one like you that like to make sure make a jab at me with it .

as to the with game trailer no it still happens

this game isn't your thing as you said that now that you there's no further reason to be staying here.

Good to know. I just wanted to understand why we were getting crossed up on somethings.

And I am not saying that random stuff isn't said on message boards and comment sections. What I am saying is that is not what I am doing, so it is irrelevant here.

And when did I ever say this game isn't my thing?

What a load of circumstantial rubbish. Uncharted looked unremarkable and derivative right up until the game actually launched. The level of tripe coming from you now is appalling.

Which Tomb Raider before 2013 ever looked on the level of even the first Uncharted? Tomb Raider up to that point were clunky and slow in comparison to Uncharted. Legends was the one released closest to Uncharted, and it is like night and day.

It looks uninspired? Fair enough, be apprehensive (something we should all probably do with every game) but writing it off because of the gameplay in one video? Without seeing the rest of the gameplay... Without seeing if there's any kind of puzzle mechanics, deep story telling, some unique angle (like the fact that when you die, you rise from the dead 2 weeks later and the world has moved on) any kind of RPG elements, an MP components... I mean there is SO much we don't know and you're going to write it off because it seems to borrow the combat from two other great games?

Who wrote it off? I didn't write it off. It might be awesome, I might enjoy playing it a ton. But I think it is embarrassing to be so obvious. It was exactly how I felt with Star Wars 1313.

You know the Witcher 3 has taken the Assassins Creed combat system, right? Is that going to make that game derivative too?

The Witcher 3 hasn't taken Creed's combat system. They are once again building their own, and are attempting to free up the game play, and get rid of the constant rolling. The comparisons they have made are to Arkham.

 

[zenith16]

Good to know. I just wanted to understand why we were getting crossed up on somethings.

And I am not saying that random stuff isn't said on message boards and comment sections. What I am saying is that is not what I am doing, so it is irrelevant here.

And when did I ever say this game isn't my thing?

Well I said it felt that way cause of the way your saying it was a rip off and even so I'll let go of that part, and still say it has it's own inventiveness to it for it stand on it's own two feet. there's a ton of stuff in life that has been done that way too.

As to that last part you just asked others will feel your writing this game off and this is a waste of your time and possibly our's. If it's more like it's just yours that's being wasted then fine. But to a degree that's what it came off as.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It bothers me when I see something that is so clearly taking from something that has been successful. The Harry Potters, TDKs, the GoTs, etc. That doesn't mean they aren't good. I adore Skyfall. My second favorite Bond film. It has TDK all over it. My favorite Bond film is Casino Royale. It is so Begins.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

There is nothing new here. Only a mishmash of other games. IF it is fun, good, but that doesn't change that. There are vast differences in Batman and Creed, Uncharted and Tomb Raider. Batman, Creed and Uncharted all brought something new, fresh and incredible to the table. This has nothing of the sort.

You need to rematch the trailer and re read the preview. Theres plenty of new elements added. Sure its borrowing or "ripping off" from other games but your statement that "this has nothing of the sort" in regards to new features is just wrong.

 

[zenith16]

It bothers me when I see something that is so clearly taking from something that has been successful. The Harry Potters, TDKs, the GoTs, etc. That doesn't mean they aren't good. I adore Skyfall. My second favorite Bond film. It has TDK all over it. My favorite Bond film is Casino Royale. It is so Beginning.

I see. Well, I think there was that thing Randy pitford said about why aren't people copying what they did with borderlands and look at it now Bungee has with with their latest upcoming game and they added stuff to their own and there's that thing Quentin Tarantino (I'll correct the spelling) said about stealing/ ripping off from others movies . The difference is though, as pat stated and I've stated they added a lot to make their own as well with only the basis from others work in other games .

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I see. well I think there was that thing Randy pitford said on why aren't people copying what they did with borderlands and look at it now bungee has with with their latest upcoming game and there's that thin Quieten Terrintino (I'll correct the spelling) said about stealing from others. the difference is though as pat stated and I've state they added a lot to make their own as well with only the basis from others.

Yep, it is why Destiny has put me off so far. It looks like it plays like Borderlands 2, the aesthetics are very Mass Effect, and of course the moments of Halo, but those were to be expected. I still know I am going to end up playing it, more then likely enjoying it, but I wish they had done something new.

It doesn't seem nearly as original, as different as Titanfall, which while still having a bit of Call of Duty to it, really seems to be its own thing.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

It bothers me when I see something that is so clearly taking from something that has been successful.

It bothers me when I see something that is so clearly taking from something that has been successful. The Harry Potters, TDKs, the GoTs, etc. That doesn't mean they aren't good. I adore Skyfall. My second favorite Bond film. It has TDK all over it. My favorite Bond film is Casino Royale. It is so Begins.

You just don't have a keen enough eye to spot the alterations or additions. You just take things at face value and scream theft, you aren't looking any deeper than the surface. Thats why you feel that all of these properties are just copies of one another. I mean of course you can argue their similarities, but thats only surface level similarities. Its why I say you aren't quite adept enough to really see beneath that.

Games can sometimes make this even harder to spot due to the licensing of gameplay engines. For example I believe this game is using code and animations that were developed for Assassins Creed II(thats according to an ACII dev). Thats why it'll look or feel similar, its using a foundation from another IP.

 

[SolarTiger]

Looks promising. The first assassination looked a bit awkward (why didn't he just kill him from behind), but other than that I was drawn in. Takes a lot from Assassin's Creed and the Arkham games, but if done well I won't care.

 

[zenith16]

Yep, it is why Destiny has put me off so far. It looks like it plays like Borderlands 2, the aesthetics are very Mass Effect, and of course the moments of Halo, but those were to be expected. I still know I am going to end up playing it, more than likely enjoying it, but I wish they had done something new.

It doesn't seem nearly as original, as different as Titanfall, which, while still having a bit of Call of Duty of it, really seems to be its own thing.

Well, it's what Randy wanted. I'm sure he's happy about it on some level . What happens in Destiny in what will be different with it maybe will be the story they're telling.

But I'm not expecting too much . We'll have to see who knows, maybe cause I was not expecting too much I'll be surprised.


Titan fall well it's mech's and to me, I've said it in that thread reminded me of certain anime's like gundum wing and the seed series after it where the mech's were involved and the pilots came out to do the fighting as well on occasion but yeah I do see the call of duty aspect other see as well . And it is a war game so that was always gonna a given

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You just don't have a keen enough eye to spot the alterations or additions. You just take things at face value and scream theft, you aren't looking any deeper than the surface. Thats why you feel that all of these properties are just copies of one another. I mean of course you can argue their similarities, but thats only surface level similarities. Its why I say you aren't quite adept enough to really see beneath that.

Games can sometimes make this even harder to spot due to the licensing of gameplay engines. For example I believe this game is using code and animations that were developed for Assassins Creed II(thats according to an ACII dev). Thats why it'll look or feel similar, its using a foundation from another IP.

Alterations and additions are simply that. Alterations and additions. They don't change the whole, the intent. What matters is the meat, the mechanics, the heart, what makes up the bulk. Surface is not what I am talking about, though in a visual medium the surface look and presentation are very important. The idea that you alter or add a little something, and it is suddenly totally different is false.

Also using your logic, if it built on the AC II gameplay engine, why is the main character walking around like Geralt from The Witcher 2 and 3? Based on the engine CD Projekt RED created?