Millar and Gough are leaving the show!

[COMPO]

i know, i mean its been like this for almost 80 years and people have questioned it but, yes they've accepted it for what it is. But, is there anything Smallville fans won't moan about.

 

[Mikelus]

One thing is to imagine beings with superpowers, but something as simple as a disguise should be treated in a logic way, either you wear a mask or alter your look enough to fool people. Overall I enjoy Superman, but it doesn't mean I have to like everything about it.

 

[b24]

i know, i mean its been like this for almost 80 years and people have questioned it but, yes they've accepted it for what it is. But, is there anything Smallville fans won't moan about.

even in comics and movies in Smallville many people know clark WITHOUT glasses including lana lang and i m sure his high school he went to

people he met in smallville

so it's not juts a show in comics clark didn't wear his glasses untille He went to Metropolis

people are complainning how "evertone knows" clark's idneitity

but it doesn't occusr to thme that in comics people of smallville can make a connection between superman and Clark since they know him without glasses

 

[Prison Mike]

The lask of disrespect toward the Superman character by some of you Smallville fans I'm reading is a bit concerning. Are there any Superman fans that actually think these comments like "The secret Identity thing is stupid" or referring to classic Superman elements are "cheezy and dumb" is something people should be called to the floor to answer for?

I mean, isn't there another Superhero character you can better relate to if you think these pretty standard elements are cheezy and dumb? It's like saying you love watching Star Treck, but hate the space and alien stuff.

what are you talking about? I don't disrespect the Superman character. I enjoy the character otherwise, I wouldn't be watching Smallville. And just because I like the character doesn't mean I can't say some aspect of it is stupid, because in reality it is. There are a lot of people who complain about how the secret identity thing will work on Smallville. If they're aloud to complain, why can't I?

 

[Prison Mike]

One thing is to imagine beings with superpowers, but something as simple as a disguise should be treated in a logic way, either you wear a mask or alter your look enough to fool people. Overall I enjoy Superman, but it doesn't mean I have to like everything about it.

yeah, I agree 100%

even in comics and movies in Smallville many people know clark WITHOUT glasses including lana lang and i m sure his high school he went to

people he met in smallville

so it's not juts a show in comics clark didn't wear his glasses untille He went to Metropolis

people are complainning how "evertone knows" clark's idneitity

but it doesn't occusr to thme that in comics people of smallville can make a connection between superman and Clark since they know him without glasses

I agree also. There must be a ton of people in Smallville (in the comics) who can tell Clark is Superman.

 

[Lighthouse]

I think the secret identity is just accepted, has to be.

I mean, in a real world, a pair of eye glasses and wearing your hair different isn't going to fool anyone into thinking you're someone else. But in a comic or cartoon, somehow it makes sense. This is a comic book show... why does it have to be different here? It worked for the Reeve films...

Anyway, people come in here and complain about how stupid Smallville is because no one who knows Clark would fail to notice that Superman is just him without the glasses.

I ignore them because arguing it will not do anyone any good.

The way I see Tom's Clark is that instead of bumbling and klutzy, his Clark is just thick headed. The impression I'd get from him if I didn't know his secret is that he doesn't really know whats going on. A kind of guy that takes awhile for the message to sink in. Of course Clark isn't at all like that, but I think thats how people would percieve him.

 

[Doright]

There are two ways the glasses will work just fine in this version of the character.

One is you're all assume Lois and Lex will not know his true identity in this version which I don't think is something we can assume. I think it's possible they both will know very well who Superman really is. Lois wont tell to protect her friend, Lex wont tell because knowing is power.

A second way this could work is that this version of superman just might not be a public figure. Not standing around, never allowing clear photo's of him. Lois could spend years only getting fleating glimpses of this Blue and red clad "guardian angle" who happens to save her cookies from the fire now and then.

 

[Prison Mike]

Well Gough and Millar did say that the show will morph into what we know in the movies. And with the four writers taking over (I can only assume that they will remain loyal to Almiles' vision) they will probably have clark adapt the same old bumbling reporter identity. I personally think this would be a great time to incorporate a new form of identity other than the bumbling one, but I guess the Smallville staff love the Reeve movies so much that they will stick with that.

 

[M.O.Steel]

There are two ways the glasses will work just fine in this version of the character.

One is you're all assume Lois and Lex will not know his true identity in this version which I don't think is something we can assume. I think it's possible they both will know very well who Superman really is. Lois wont tell to protect her friend, Lex wont tell because knowing is power.

A second way this could work is that this version of superman just might not be a public figure. Not standing around, never allowing clear photo's of him. Lois could spend years only getting fleating glimpses of this Blue and red clad "guardian angle" who happens to save her cookies from the fire now and then.

or even once he may have told the world, but no one took him seriously, or in fact sent him to belle revue. after that, he realized the knowing is his power, and use it against without getting the world in on it.

while i'm in the school of thought where superman is the person, clark is the disguise, i think that your second point would be the logically step for this show specifically. since they VERY well established clark, from youth till present, fortunate or unfortuante, clark is the real person on the show. they keep emphasizing this also, saying that jor-el is bad, or that destiny is bad, or his real parents are here, or earth is his home. in this show, clark is who he is, and superman is what he can do. that's the only way lois and lex wouldn't know.

 

[b24]

^^^ by the way even in comics lex was freind of clark (maybe in birthright issue)

they even went to school and college togehter

 

[Captivated]

A series based 100% on the comics is not going to work, is just too cheesy and dumb. Have you ever thought that Lois not recognizing CK and Superman as the same person is just ******ed? That the classic suit is kind of cheesy nowadays? That Mxy as it is won't work for an adult audience? That's one of the reasons SV changed Bizarro, to make it more realistic and sophisticated, and it worked! Most fans like SV Bizarro, only fanboys wanted the dumb Bizarro with his "Me Bizarro save...".

Is just dumb to pretend glasses would work to cover your secret identity, it doesn't cut it on live action, so now Smallville has to deal with it. Is not credible at all and it makes the characters look stupid. Superman's mythology needs changes to adapt it to today's standards, the world is not a naïf place where a pair of glasses are going to fool people about your "secret identity".

You have a point... I've wondered about the same thing.

I hope Smallville keeps treating the characters seriously, even if the plots involve fantasy... I don't want it to get campy and goofy. (Bringing in Kara and especially "Fierce" being a prime example.)

 

[COMPO]

To be honest I also thought the JD character from Scrubs was a good way to do MetCK because he's goofy, he's an everyday man. He's sort of both Reeves and Cain in one a bit. But, more goofy and less serious. but, there's a middle ground and thats what i think this Smallville MetCk needs both aspects goofy and everyday man aspects.

 

[Hulk of Steel]

Should be interesting to see how Season 8 works out without the original creators of Smallville. However, the full mythos of Superman is still available to those taking over, so the show is still a worthwhile venture in my opinion.

I think the whole "No flight/no tights" ideology for Smallville has worked well during its run. I can see it as adding a level of realism that might otherwise be lacking. That's not to say, though, that a costumed hero can't be done realistically.

That being said, I think it's time to end the "No flight/no tights" ideology, at least in the flight aspect. You can only do so much building up to a big moment before one gets tired of the anticipation game. In the wrestling world, for instance, you can build up the excitement of a character's return, but do it too much and for too long and the idea goes stale. Smallville may have reached that point with the casual viewer, but I think all of us who love the character of Superman are ready to see him more as we know him now.

 

[Syncos]

A second way this could work is that this version of superman just might not be a public figure. Not standing around, never allowing clear photo's of him. Lois could spend years only getting fleating glimpses of this Blue and red clad "guardian angle" who happens to save her cookies from the fire now and then.

I rather like this idea. This is basically the next step of what we have on the show now. Clark is always saving people without them knowing it. Only allowing them a glimpse of him wouldn't be very hard considering he can move faster than the human eye.

It's only people who really know him he'd have to worry about...

I like the idea of superman being more of a myth, than a public figure.

 

[Prison Mike]

he can be a myth like how batman is. good idea

 

[M.O.Steel]

^^^ by the way even in comics lex was freind of clark (maybe in birthright issue)

they even went to school and college togehter

well different writers treat it differently. i think birthright was actually inspired a lot by smallville. but yeah, superboy series had him be the reason lex is bald. there's interesting takes on their relationship.

 

[triplet]

Actually, the myth idea is a good one...

A mystery like that would intrigue Lois, gets her to find out more about him, not realizing that Clark is one and the same...

I would buy Lex knowing all the while, myth or no myth, but not telling anyone because him knowing gives him power over Clark even if he doesn't chose to use it against him.

 

[superboy13]

A series based 100% on the comics is not going to work, is just too cheesy and dumb. Have you ever thought that Lois not recognizing CK and Superman as the same person is just ******ed? That the classic suit is kind of cheesy nowadays? That Mxy as it is won't work for an adult audience? That's one of the reasons SV changed Bizarro, to make it more realistic and sophisticated, and it worked! Most fans like SV Bizarro, only fanboys wanted the dumb Bizarro with his "Me Bizarro save...".

Is just dumb to pretend glasses would work to cover your secret identity, it doesn't cut it on live action, so now Smallville has to deal with it. Is not credible at all and it makes the characters look stupid. Superman's mythology needs changes to adapt it to today's standards, the world is not a naïf place where a pair of glasses are going to fool people about your "secret identity".

The classic suit is cheesy? The glasses as a disguise is dumb? and the comics bizarro is only wanted by "dumb" fanboys?
Look, pal, all that you've mentioned above, are fundamental aspects of Superman. Well, except Bizarro, of course. But Superman has the traditional red/blue oufit, with the trunks, boots, and cape, and the big-ass S shield. He puts on a suit, pair of glasses, acts a little different, and people don't recognize him. Superman's mythology is timeless, and it doesn't need to "adapt" to anything, because this elements (among others) are what kept him going for 70 years.
I never expected to see a post like this from a Superman fan, but, then again, maybe you aren't one. Just a Smallville fan, which is not always the same. I, for example, am first of all a Superman fan... be it comics, movies, TV series, or anything.There are a lot of people out there who don't give a squat about the Superman lore, and have only seen Smallville, and disregard the character as cheesy and dumb. If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on you being the latter.
If these things really bother you that much about Superman, maybe you'll be better off with another superhero... like, I don't know, Spiderman? He has a full mask so people won't recognize him, and his suit is all hip. And also, he has all serious villains that don't talk backwards... maybe that's more your cup of tea.


EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not bashing Smallville-only fans. There are plenty of people who are fans of Smallville and nothing else Superman, but respect the character and it's history. And also, there are a bunch of fans of every incarnation that have no respect for the others', which, IMO, is completely dumb, because, one way or another, they're all Superman. There are certain elements you might prefer of a single incarnation, or some that you might even dislike about another, but we're all part of the same team.

 

[M.O.Steel]

you know, i always suspended my disbelief and accepted the glasses, but after seeing this guy, i think people can actually pull it off.

(yeah i know the beard, but it's scant, barely there)

 

[Lighthouse]

you know, i always suspended my disbelief and accepted the glasses, but after seeing this guy, i think people can actually pull it off.

(yeah i know the beard, but it's scant, barely there)

Still looks like he's twelve.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm not sure if anyone saw this yet....


" The Superman Homepage received word from a network source who told us that Gough and Millar were not given any such ultimatum. We've been told that, like many of the cast and crew, Miles and Al did not have a contract for season 8. With the CW struggling financially, the studio decided that they would only pick up the show for the new season at an extremely reduced license fee. The CW are basically looking to do an 8th season show at 1st season prices, but the problem is "Smallville" still needs to pay 8th season contracts on everyone. That is a serious amount of money off the screen. Which is why cast members such as Kristin Kreuk, Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack are not coming back for a full compliment of episodes next season. My sources tell me that these budget cuts were the reason Al and Miles decided to leave. The budget cuts wouldn't allow them to make the kind of show they wanted to make or felt the fans deserved.
Our network source also told us that the only reason Kristin Kreuk is returning for seven episodes in Season 8 is because the studio allowed her to star in the up-coming "Street Fighter" movie. She really had no interest in returning to "Smallville" next season. Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack, who are not contracted for season 8, are yet to make a final decision and are prepared to walk.
We've heard all along that a plan was in place from the beginning on just how the series would end. So what of those plans? We've been told that the season arc finale they HAD planned would have had to be completely reworked without cast members who may not be there next year."




http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php






boy if this is true, then Smallville is going to be following the footsteps of "Charmed", with their final season not being as good as it should have been due to budget reasons.

 

[Zorex]

Geez, that's a bummer.

 

[Olea]

I'm not sure if anyone saw this yet....


" The Superman Homepage received word from a network source who told us that Gough and Millar were not given any such ultimatum. We've been told that, like many of the cast and crew, Miles and Al did not have a contract for season 8. With the CW struggling financially, the studio decided that they would only pick up the show for the new season at an extremely reduced license fee. The CW are basically looking to do an 8th season show at 1st season prices, but the problem is "Smallville" still needs to pay 8th season contracts on everyone. That is a serious amount of money off the screen. Which is why cast members such as Kristin Kreuk, Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack are not coming back for a full compliment of episodes next season. My sources tell me that these budget cuts were the reason Al and Miles decided to leave. The budget cuts wouldn't allow them to make the kind of show they wanted to make or felt the fans deserved.
Our network source also told us that the only reason Kristin Kreuk is returning for seven episodes in Season 8 is because the studio allowed her to star in the up-coming "Street Fighter" movie. She really had no interest in returning to "Smallville" next season. Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack, who are not contracted for season 8, are yet to make a final decision and are prepared to walk.
We've heard all along that a plan was in place from the beginning on just how the series would end. So what of those plans? We've been told that the season arc finale they HAD planned would have had to be completely reworked without cast members who may not be there next year."

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php

Budget is always a factor but I'm not 100% sold that Miles and Millar walked off on their own and not thrown out on their a$$es.

 

[b24]

man CW seriously blows


and what that craptacular c grade show "charmed" has toddo with that

its is too early to jump a conclsuion that season 8 will suck

 

[MJZ]

Disappointing if true but I'm not going to put the cart before the horse.

Will just have to wait and see what the next season will be like.