Mission: Impossible - Fallout - Part 2

[Mysteryman]

As I said, I don't think Ethan Hunt is an uber-deep character, but I think Ghost Nation gets into what makes him tick a bit and lets him show a bit more vulnerability. It just makes for a likable character that you root for. Which makes you care all the more about the action and the peril he throws himself into.

I've always been a casual fan of the franchise, but I really felt myself giving a sh** majorly this time around. It felt like this one really honed in on the things that made the series/Ethan great in the first place and brought that all to the fore in a big way.

They really doubled down on Ethan's propensity to minimize casualties in this one.
I liked that.

 

[Kev4000]

Finally saw it too. While the Action is mostly awesome and the balance between Humor and Action too, the villain

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was really dull. Sadly. The could at least try to make him sympathic or make 1-2 positive Scenes, that the audience care About him. It was clear from the first second that he is an Apostel. I hoped thats a trick and there is a conflict later, where Walker had order from FBI to kill Ethan, but they udes the easy way. And hell - Walker was useless the whole movie..

 

[Johnny-Oh]

So I finally watched the movie and found it a bit disappointing. The way everyone was talking about it made it sound like it was the best thing ever so I think people overhyped too much for me. I thought it was too long, didn't have enough Rebecca Ferguson, the score was terrible and McQuarrie went overboard with the double-crosses(a problem I had with Rogue Nation).

That being said, the movie is still really good. The action and the stunts are truly outstanding, some of the best I've seen in a long time(the bike chase scene is my favorite).
The characters were good and so were the respective performances. I finally see Cavill doing a good job(never seen his work outside of DC movies). Another good thing about this movie is how it's making people finally appreciate this franchise as one of the best action franchises ever which is pretty cool.

I would rank Fallout in third place after Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation.

 

[Hunter Rider]

If you wanna see more than what's there that's your prerogative. And it's mine to say I think you and others are projecting a level of depth that just isn't there and I say this as a guy that loved these last three movies as incredibly well done action films that contain some of the best set pieces in Hollywood history. If there is some hypocrisy in what I'm stating please elaborate beyond a smiley face.

I think you should stick to your opinion rather than playing armchair psychologist, that's all, you talk about projecting, you are doing just that by needing to find a reason others are seeing what you failed to, that's all.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ethan Hunt is Superman and Captain America. And I ****ing love Superman and Captain America. So while I don't think he has the greatest depth, I also think these last 4 films have given him an arc with a nice bit of meat on the bone, that has allowed the spectacle to feel just that bit more meaningful to me.

 

[Flint Marko]

If you wanna see more than what's there that's your prerogative. And it's mine to say I think you and others are projecting a level of depth that just isn't there and I say this as a guy that loved these last three movies as incredibly well done action films that contain some of the best set pieces in Hollywood history. If there is some hypocrisy in what I'm stating please elaborate beyond a smiley face.

Tell us again how laughable it is that people picked up subtext about colonialism in Ragnarok, oh all-knowing one.

 

[Mysteryman]

Ethan Hunt is Superman and Captain America. And I ****ing love Superman and Captain America. So while I don't think he has the greatest depth, I also think these last 4 films have given him an arc with a nice bit of meat on the bone, that has allowed the spectacle to feel just that bit more meaningful to me.

I was thinking that myself, just the other day.
Although, it's more than just the last 4 films.
Fallout also connects to the first film with the participation of the White Widow.
I thought Cruise was just hyping things up saying that this was a culmination of the Mission Impossible Films, but, for me, that is what Fallout turned out to be.

 

[STARMAN]

Deadline says Rebecca Fergusun will be the female lead in the Men and Black spinoff with Chris Hemsworth.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Tell us again how laughable it is that people picked up subtext about colonialism in Ragnarok, oh all-knowing one.

Tell me how this is germane to the discussion at hand? I'll wait.

While I am waiting...

Tell me how any other critic other than FILM CRITIC Hulk made that observation which is, I'm sorry, silly in the extreme? If you wanna believe that, well that's your opinion. And it's my opinion that frankly such a position is a sphincter pull of such epic proportions that it requires a factories worth of Preparation H the beauty of places that are about commenting about opinions is that anyone can have them about anything. Like, one could put out an opinion not based on anything relevant to the discussion at hand at all and it still gets posted for the world to read. One could even obsessively post in a forum for years about a film they supposedly hate with every fiber of their being because kvetching about it gives some meaning to their lives or they get some kind of emotional sustenance from the low hanging fruit of crapping on a mediocre film day in and out for years. One could even take these actions but somehow publicly proclaim they don't get offended by anything, which of course belies the actions of going someplace online every day to kvetch for years as, well... Something must be fueling that and offense at something's existence seems a really likely candidate given the passion displayed.


See... Opinions on opinions. The beauty of the Internet.

 

[Flint Marko]

I made one comment four years ago about how stand-up comedy doesn’t offend me and it still sets you off for some reason.

My point is clear - quit habitually acting like your reading of movies is the end-all be-all.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think you should stick to your opinion rather than playing armchair psychologist, that's all, you talk about projecting, you are doing just that by needing to find a reason others are seeing what you failed to, that's all.

1. Then you could have, ya'know, stated that first time out. If you take offense to "arm chair psychology" maybe don't turn around with a dismissive smiley cuz brother does that invite speculation galore.

2. If we are going to make opinions about opinions an online social faux pas just shut down every discussion forum and save us all the time and effort. Maybe you find it comical to consider that people do often project more onto characters in fiction than are actual there on both surface and subtextual levels but I think that it's something that is shown to be so all the time and it's not inherently offensive to either think that or point it out. I happen to think that adults are strong enough to take the critique that maybe they are seeing something that's not there in a work of fiction, but that's me. You do you Hunter. If that includes you using your mod status to erase these posts, so be it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I made one comment four years ago about how stand-up comedy doesn’t offend me and it still sets you off for some reason.

My point is clear - quit habitually acting like your reading of movies is the end-all be-all.

You are the last person to be acting like you have an open mind about peoples' opinions around here Flint. Which is okay. You are allowed your opinion. And everyone else is allowed an opinion about your opinion.


Flint you didn't answer how opinions on THOR RAGNAROK is germane to the MI FALLOUT thread now did you? The rest is irrelevant.

 

[Flint Marko]

You are the last person to be acting like you have an open mind about peoples' opinions around here Flint. Which is okay. You are allowed your opinion. And everyone else is allowed an opinion about your opinion.

Funny, I can't remember any moderators telling me to cool it on telling people their opinion is wrong about a movie. You seem to make a regular habit of it.

 

[baerrtt]

Ethan Hunt is Superman and Captain America. And I ****ing love Superman and Captain America. So while I don't think he has the greatest depth, I also think these last 4 films have given him an arc with a nice bit of meat on the bone, that has allowed the spectacle to feel just that bit more meaningful to me.

Watching it, and all the previous films in retrospect, I enjoyed that Chris actually focused on the one element that differs Hunt from Bond, Bourne, Jack Bauer etc in that he's the superspy/agent who, if he can help it, doesn't really want innocents caught in the crossfire and actively always tries to prevent it.

Stopping Jean Reno's assassin from killing a guard during the heist in MI 1, being far from happy at Thandie Newton's character being used to deceive her former lover, and the villain, Sean Ambrose in MI 2 etc.

And it gives the film a morality that contrasts him with the Apostles/Syndicate who believe that they are saving the planet by putting others at risk.

 

[Hunter Rider]

1. Then you could have, ya'know, stated that first time out. If you take offense to "arm chair psychology" maybe don't turn around with a dismissive smiley cuz brother does that invite speculation galore.

2. If we are going to make opinions about opinions an online social faux pas just shut down every discussion forum and save us all the time and effort. Maybe you find it comical to consider that people do often project more onto characters in fiction than are actual there on both surface and subtextual levels but I think that it's something that is shown to be so all the time and it's not inherently offensive to either think that or point it out. I happen to think that adults are strong enough to take the critique that maybe they are seeing something that's not there in a work of fiction, but that's me. You do you Hunter. If that includes you using your mod status to erase these posts, so be it.

Well you should know by now that me doing me never involves me needing to use "mod status" because I find someone obnoxious on a topic, I thought your general post was fine but then you had to try and justify your against the grain opinion by trying to analyse other people, hence I highlighted it and laughed because I thought it ruined an otherwise solid post and came off as pretentious.

You talk about not being allowed to do that means we might as well shut down message boards, which I think is very meoldramatic, it's not that deep dude, you doing you these days seems to be finding a way to place yourself in a minority box so that you can then find these platforms to deliver your assesment of other people's opinions, ain't nobody got time for that silliness, you have your view on the movie, you debate the movie, trying to psycho analyze people is tedious and pretentious because you're not a shrink, and no one is interested in going that route while discussing popcorn flicks.

 

[FunkMiller]

Just been reading an article that basically states that because of Tom Cruise’s enormous testicles, and his constant desire to do all his own idiotically scary stunts, that it’s going to be quite hard to return to movies where it’s obviously either a stuntman, or cgi, after watching Fallout.

This is a good point. The visceral thrill of it actually being him jumping out of a bloody plane at 25,000 made me more invested in a movie at the cinema than I have in years.

 

[wampa1]

Saw this tonight - thought it was really good. Loved the callback to the first movie (and the second movie although it wasn't nearly as overt).

 

[Kane52630]

Christopher McQuarrie was on The Ringer last week, it's worth a listen.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/7/27...st-movie-franchise-with-christopher-mcquarrie


I like how he admits Rogue Nation wasn't the movie he wanted story wise.

 

[Visceral]

Here's some projection for you guys who might enjoy it on the 5th one. These sites haven't reviewed the new one yet.

http://thefineartdiner.blogspot.com/2015/08/desperate-times-desperate-measures.html?m=1

https://harpers.org/archive/2015/12/new-drama/

 

[TheVileOne]

Ethan Hunt is basically a righteous, sanctimonious goody two shoes, but Cruise sort of makes up for it with his charisma and insane stunts. He has this sanctimonious attitude about CIA assassinations when he's killed plenty of dudes in his day.

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He killed all of White Widow's goons without a second thought.

Plus, those times where he's struggling it and winging it. Like that moment where he has no idea how to fly a helicopter or which direction to go. Moments like that really work and help sell the character.

Dude is really good at his job and competent, but he also can't do everything. MI:2 basically made him into Superman.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ethan Hunt is basically a righteous, sanctimonious goody two shoes, but Cruise sort of makes up for it with his charisma and insane stunts. He has this sanctimonious attitude about CIA assassinations when he's killed plenty of dudes in his day. [BLACKOUT]He killed all of White Widow's goons without a second thought. [/BLACKOUT]

Plus, those times where he's struggling it and winging it. Like that moment where he has no idea how to fly a helicopter or which direction to go. Moments like that really work and help sell the character. Dude is really good at his job and competent, but he also can't do everything. MI:2 basically made him into Superman.

Yeah... have you watched the movies? He makes hard decisions all the time, but he only kills as a last resort and it is always killers. The scene you described was a perfect example. [BLACKOUT]He did it to save a life. The life of an innocent.[/BLACKOUT]

Also, avoid spoilers in a thread with a new release.

 

[Asr]

Just came back from seeing this a second time and it absolutely held up. Easily one of the best movies of the year so far, and definitely near the top of the franchise for me too, but not at the top (I personally prefer MI1 and MI4 above it). I'm starting to really like McQuarrie as a director and am now convinced that he could direct either a great Batman or Superman movie. Along that line, this movie more than any other of his felt almost Christopher Nolan-like in its style (the combo of camera shots, cinematography, and music in particular reminded me of TDK at times), but at the same time was distinctly non-Nolan, and by that I mean superior to Nolan. It's almost like McQuarrie is what Nolan aspires to be, but is incapable of becoming.

Cavill was sort of a let-down in his role, definitely wanted more out of his character. I really like him as Superman, but that's probably the only role that fits him like a glove. Unfortunately he's clearly not a very good actor. A better actor probably would've been able to have left a stronger impression, and the only reason he left any impression on me at all was because of his [blackout]reveal as a villain halfway through[/blackout]. In fact, I'm starting to think that Cavill should [blackout]appear as a villain more often in movies[/blackout], because he was more interesting playing that instead.

Saw the movie in 70mm IMAX this time, which was way better. Definitely worth seeing it in that format, although only two scenes took advantage of the entire 70mm frame, which were the HALO drop and the ending helicopter chase. Neither the Paris or London action scenes were shot in 70mm IMAX, which was disappointing.

Had a great crowd both times, although at my IMAX viewing, I had the unfortunate displeasure of sitting one over from a guy who laughed super loudly at the movie at least once every 5-10 minutes, more than loud enough for everyone in the theater to hear, and most of the time he was the only person in the theater who was laughing. One of the most weird/confusing/awkward theater experiences that I've ever had.

 

[harlequinade]

Deadline says Rebecca Fergusun will be the female lead in the Men and Black spinoff with Chris Hemsworth.

Also she is gonna be in that Shining spinoff thing with McGregor. So glad she is doing well, what a talent!

 

[kevork89]

God I loved this movie. It’s so good and each MI movie just gets better and better.

I do wish Rebecca was in it more but I assume it’s due to her pregnancy.

The thrill of this film and the anxiety I felt watching it was off the chain. I have never been a huge fan of Cruise outside of the MI films but he makes me enjoy his work.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Christopher McQuarrie was on The Ringer last week, it's worth a listen.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/7/27...st-movie-franchise-with-christopher-mcquarrie


I like how he admits Rogue Nation wasn't the movie he wanted story wise.

Could I get a rundown on what you mean by that Kane? Like what about Rogue Nation's story was an issue for him?