Mission: Impossible - Fallout - Part 1

[Spidey220987]

Which he ironically didn’t appear in lol, but more than likely will show up in “Avengers 4”

 

[TheVileOne]

Well that always leaves the door open for a future return.

 

[samsnee]

You are correct, I also watched the trailers before watching it and didn’t see that scene either, so I wonder why it was cut.

I found an answer

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/mi...on-impossible-fallout-trailer-deleted-scenes/

"We put together this big, giant film and we were testing the movie, we tested it four times before we finally finished it, and there was just so much action in the movie. We had to choose what was going to stay and what will go," he noted.

Fortunately all that effort that went into shooting those major action sequences won't go to waste, as McQuarrie promised that we'd see "glimpses of some of that stuff" on the home release.

 

[samsnee]

Speaking of Brandt, I expected him to be revealed as a traitor in the fifth installment because he was the only other person who knew that
Julia was alive.
It might have made his character a bit more interesting.
I could be wrong about that, though.

I hope not. We’ve had enough former IMF agents turning bad

 

[Spidey220987]

I found an answer

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/mi...on-impossible-fallout-trailer-deleted-scenes/

That’s cool then, something for the special features. Doubt they’d make an extended cut. Wouldn’t want them to, it was perfect as it is (“,)

 

[Mysteryman]

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Which he ironically didn’t appear in lol, but more than likely will show up in “Avengers 4”[/QUOTE

I did a little digging.
At the time, they couldn’t give Marvel any specific dates on when they would need Renner for Fallout because the script wasn’t finished.

 

[TheVileOne]

Shouldn't crashing into that truck really kill Ethan Hunt?

 

[Spidey220987]

Shouldn't crashing into that truck really kill Ethan Hunt?

No because of Scientology

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, I noticed the high wire bit from the Paris sequence was gone too. Glad to hear they'll at least be on the blu-ray extras.

 

[Mysteryman]

No because of Scientology

The safety harness he was wearing probably helped, too.
There is footage of him wearing it online.

 

[samsnee]

There were a lot of things in this movie that should have killed him. My biggest peeve was the same as in Rogue Nation when crashing a motorcycle at that speed with no helmet isn’t something you walk away from.

Plot question

Spoiler

Who stole the plutonium in the first place? Was it the apostles? This is where I was getting confused because I thought Walker was legitimately looking for it during the movie

 

[Spidey220987]

The safety harness he was wearing probably helped, too.
There is footage of him wearing it online.

He does that with most the stunts and they’re edited out in post (obviously).
Tom Cruise, regardless of his personal life and beliefs, is one of the best actors ever. Not only that, it’s his commitment to the Mission: Impossible series and his role as Ethan Hunt that he’s willing to push himself to the limit to perform his own stunts so he can deliver genuine spectacles and edge-of-your-seat thrills just to entertain the audience. He doesn’t want anything practical to be faked or performed by a double, that is dedication that has to be admired.

 

[Rjones1325]

'Mission: Impossible - Fallout' is cinematic proof that Tom Cruise does not need another film franchise to compensate for his drive of doing his stunts because this is the main one that we love him in.


What “Fallout” primarily benefits from is how it isn’t just a latest installment where Ethan is doing a new mission, but it is the first actual continuation in a way where his actions in the previous film carry over into this, which raises the stakes for our characters, primarily Ethan.

FULL REVIEW: https://rendyreviews.com/movies//mission-impossible-fallout-review

 

[Mysteryman]

That is true.
But if these films stuck to reality than Ethan would have been killed when Phelps kicked him off the side of the train.
No to mention when the helicopter exploded.

 

[Spidey220987]

There were a lot of things in this movie that should have killed him. My biggest peeve was the same as in Rogue Nation when crashing a motorcycle at that speed with no helmet isn’t something you walk away from.

Plot question

Spoiler

Who stole the plutonium in the first place? Was it the apostles? This is where I was getting confused because I thought Walker was legitimately looking for it during the movie

It was them at the beginning, sure they confirmed it later on when

Spoiler

Walker revealed himself unintentionally to the disguised Benji-as-Solomon Lane to be the real John Lark and the deal was he’d get him the plutonium and frame Hunt

 

[Spidey220987]

That is true.
But if these films stuck to reality than Ethan would have been killed when Phelps kicked him off the side of the train.
No to mention when the helicopter exploded.

Also true lol

 

[samsnee]

It was them at the beginning, sure they confirmed it later on when

Spoiler

Walker revealed himself unintentionally to the disguised Benji-as-Solomon Lane to be the real John Lark and the deal was he’d get him the plutonium and frame Hunt

Spoiler

That’s what I’m trying to sort out. The apostles stole the plutonium. Then they set it up so IMF would think they were selling it to John Lark, knowing the IMF team would try to capture him. They also knew Hunt would impersonate Lark at some point, and use him to bust out Lane, and frame Hunt for the whole thing?

 

[Spidey220987]

Spoiler

That’s what I’m trying to sort out. The apostles stole the plutonium. Then they set it up so IMF would think they were selling it to John Lark, knowing the IMF team would try to capture him. They also knew Hunt would impersonate Lark at some point, and use him to bust out Lane, and frame Hunt for the whole thing?

I think it was all just an elaborate ruse to get the IMF and Hunt especially out the way. I do get where you’re coming from though.

EDIT: The bit that didn’t make sense regarding that part, like you also pointed out, is that if

Spoiler

Walker was the real John Lark all along, why was he there fighting the dude in the bathroom if that guy was also an impersonator? Which is probably why he broke the laptop so he couldn’t meet White Widow but he didn’t know Hunt would pull it off without the disguise

 

[samsnee]

Which is why I think RN was slightly better. The story was more straightforward while still having some mystery with Ilsa.

 

[Spidey220987]

Which is why I think RN was slightly better. The story was more straightforward while still having some mystery with Ilsa.

I can respect that. I think Rogue Nation, although a great film, peaks and troughs and the final 3rd dips, while Fallout goes from strength to strength, at least to me anyway plus the stakes were higher.

 

[DACrowe]

I would say no it's not. All the movies are basically the Tom Cruise show. But the supporting characters at least get to do things and have some cool action moments.

I think McQuarrie emphasizes the team aspect more than any others, including in Ghost Protocol which he co-wrote. I think both the climaxes of Rogue Nation and especially Fallout emphasize a team dynamic more than the first four films.

 

[DACrowe]

I mean the last two movies both scored high reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, 93%. It was only the earlier movies when critics weren't so enamored with them.

This seems fairly consistent since the franchise made a comeback with Ghost Protocol, IMHO the first one to really get it right.

Also, I think the combination of Cruise, McQuarrie, Ferguson, Pegg, and Rhames all work very well. Renner not so much. This is really the only franchise Cruise really seems to "get" ATM.

I agree. Rhames was great in the first one, so he's stayed on minus his inexplicable cameo status in Ghost Protocol. Pegg was a highlight in III, so obviously got promoted to recurring favorite in GP (perhaps why Rhames was unwisely cut down in that film). Ferguson stole the show in Rogue Nation.

I actually disagree it is with the Cruise show, as the audience favorites have all stuck around. At this point, I doubt anyone wants to see another love interest (even if "love" is pretty loose in this) than Ilsa, and folks would be genuinely bummed if she, Benji, or Luther weren't in the next one.

While I like Jeremy Renner in these films, and certainly more so than how he is used in the Avengers movies, he never was essential. He was clearly waiting in the wings to takeover the franchise, only Cruise has now made it clear he's never giving it up. Which makes things awkward for Jeremy... So I am fine if Brandt stays on hiatus.

 

[Spidey220987]

Also if I recall correctly, after the

Spoiler

John Lark reveal,

doesn’t Hunt quickly explain what went on during that scene? I’m more than likely gonna watch it again anyway but I’m sure that’s what happened.

 

[Spidey220987]

I think McQuarrie emphasizes the team aspect more than any others, including in Ghost Protocol which he co-wrote. I think both the climaxes of Rogue Nation and especially Fallout emphasize a team dynamic more than the first four films.

Definitely agree with this, 100%
“Mr Lane, meet the IMF.”

 

[DACrowe]

Which is why I think RN was slightly better. The story was more straightforward while still having some mystery with Ilsa.

I agree Rogue Nation seems a little tighter. Despite what McQuarrie has said in the press about Fallout really testing Ethan's morals or how he operates, other than a sense of guilt for [blackout]letting the plutonium go to save Luther[/blackout] that all feels a little overstated. To me, we saw his gambler mindset really tested in Rogue Nation, and how free-wheeling he can be when it is someone else's money, as it were, such as when he "takes" the British Prime Minister, but how the cracks show when it is about Benji's life at the end.

That plus, I don't think there is a sequence as elegantly fantastic in any of the M:I films, save the De Palma original, as the Vienna opera house sequence in Rogue Nation. The use of Turandot in the score whenever Ilsa appears is also sublime.

With that said, I think Fallout has better action overall, with McQuarrie just designing the hell out of one triumph after another, so I understand if folks prefer that. Also while Ilsa isn't as enigmatic and naturally intriguing in Fallout, I really do enjoy how their "romance" is completely unstated and just the way they spy on each other in Paris, for example. It is quite amusing in its old school Hollywood subtlety.