Mission: Impossible - Fallout - Part 2

[Flint Marko]

Just got out of Fallout. Really really enjoyed it and it's definitely the best of the series IMO.

My only complaint, and one that I might be in the minority on:

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The whole underground scene where everyone turned on everyone...... I heard some people find that fun and self-aware, I personally did not. It felt like story spaghetti that can only be meticulously laid out and understood apart from enjoying the film.

The plot in these films has always been nothing more than a set-piece delivery system but this time around it felt particularly perfunctory.

That said this movie is still a solid A from me across the board, particularly the music. Absolutely aces.

 

[DyeLorean]

Just got out of Fallout. Really really enjoyed it and it's definitely the best of the series IMO.

My only complaint, and one that I might be in the minority on:

Spoiler

The whole underground scene where everyone turned on everyone...... I heard some people find that fun and self-aware, I personally did not. It felt like story spaghetti that can only be meticulously laid out and understood apart from enjoying the film.

The plot in these films has always been nothing more than a set-piece delivery system but this time around it felt particularly perfunctory.

That said this movie is still a solid A from me across the board, particularly the music. Absolutely aces.

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That underground sequence was a bit much at first, but as the revelations went on and on for me it went from "oh clever" to "oh come on, really?" to "oh clever" again.

 

[Flint Marko]

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That underground sequence was a bit much at first, but as the revelations went on and on for me it went from "oh clever" to "oh come on, really?" to "oh clever" again.

I need to watch it again to see if I feel differently because I'm apparently in the minority. As I was walking out of the theater with my people I voiced my distaste of that moment and was thoroughly shot down

 

[DyeLorean]

I need to watch it again to see if I feel differently because I'm apparently in the minority. As I was walking out of the theater with my people I voiced my distaste of that moment and was thoroughly shot down

You know when you see one of those long (usually visual) gags, that it stops being funny but as it goes on and on it becomes funny again? That is what it felt to me.

 

[Flint Marko]

You know when you see one of those long (usually visual) gags, that it stops being funny but as it goes on and on it becomes funny again? That is what it felt to me.

Oh definitely, but I didn't think they were going for humor so the longer it went on the more confused I was. Like I said maybe a second viewing will help illuminate that, but according to the slash filmcast:

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There were 8 double crosses in that one scene. A span of like a minute or so. Eight!!!

 

[DyeLorean]

Oh definitely, but I didn't think they were going for humor so the longer it went on the more confused I was. Like I said maybe a second viewing will help illuminate that, but according to the slash filmcast:

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There were 8 double crosses in that one scene. A span of like a minute or so. Eight!!!

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Oh no, I didn't mean it was meant to be funny, but I gave the example of something that stops being *something* but it becomes that something again by sheer repetition.
It subverted expectations by doubling down on the double-crossing that is a staple of the genre. I still don't know if it makes entire sense, but if it does, it's a masterful (and daring) move

 

[Flint Marko]

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Oh no, I didn't mean it was meant to be funny, but I gave the example of something that stops being *something* but it becomes that something again by sheer repetition.
It subverted expectations by doubling down on the double-crossing that is a staple of the genre. I still don't know if it makes entire sense, but if it does, it's a masterful (and daring) move

Ah gotcha. It's definitely daring, I'll give it that.

 

[flickchick85]

I need to watch it again to see if I feel differently because I'm apparently in the minority. As I was walking out of the theater with my people I voiced my distaste of that moment and was thoroughly shot down

What I like about it is, it [blackout]knows you're expecting a double cross. And figures you're savvy enough to see yet another double cross coming. And then the next one will be predicted by those who expect them to subvert expectations. But by the time it gets to the last one, it's like, "Bet you didn't see ALL those coming, now did ya, 'smart guy'?" It's like they're very knowingly playing a game with the audience.[/blackout]

 

[Greens]

Just got out of Fallout. Really really enjoyed it and it's definitely the best of the series IMO.

My only complaint, and one that I might be in the minority on:

Spoiler

The whole underground scene where everyone turned on everyone...... I heard some people find that fun and self-aware, I personally did not. It felt like story spaghetti that can only be meticulously laid out and understood apart from enjoying the film.

The plot in these films has always been nothing more than a set-piece delivery system but this time around it felt particularly perfunctory.

That said this movie is still a solid A from me across the board, particularly the music. Absolutely aces.

Yeah, I thought McQuarrie went a little too far with the twists and turns to the point where I didn't know what side certain people were on.

 

[titansupes]

Yeah, I thought McQuarrie went a little too far with the twists and turns to the point where I didn't know what side certain people were on.

I didn't quite know who was who in that underground shootout, but it worked for me because the team felt like they were in real danger (something that hasn't happened for me in most of the other movies), so I was caught up in that aspect of it.

 

[Batmannerism]

Wow ! I haven't felt that exhausted by a film since Mad Max Fury Road - it was an intense viewing experience. It was a bit like Fury Road meets the Bourne Ultimatum, with even more insane stunts.

Did anyone else get a bit of a Chris Nolan Vibe at certain parts of the film ?

I thought that

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the convoy hijack reminded me of TDK, and the establishing shots of Paris and London reminded me of TDK, TDKR and Inception -

Not a rip off, but a little bit of homage maybe ? Whether or not it was intentional, it certainly worked. I also thought that

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the score reminded me of TDKR, as it was very bombastic kind of Zimmeresque, when Zimmer goes OTT.

I spent quite a bit of time

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during the last half hour or so re-living the scenery of LOTR, as the Kashmir sequence was filmed here, in the South Island

. I was marvelling at beauty of Otago and the South, I haven't been down that way in ages, might be time to go down there and remind myself firsthand how majestic the scenery is.

A clear 9/10 for me. Need a few days before I go see it again, to recover from the experience.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Wow ! I haven't felt that exhausted by a film since Mad Max Fury Road - it was an intense viewing experience. It was a bit like Fury Road meets the Bourne Ultimatum, with even more insane stunts.

Did anyone else get a bit of a Chris Nolan Vibe at certain parts of the film ?

I thought that

Spoiler

the convoy hijack reminded me of TDK, and the establishing shots of Paris and London reminded me of TDK, TDKR and Inception -

Not a rip off, but a little bit of homage maybe ? Whether or not it was intentional, it certainly worked. I also thought that

Spoiler

the score reminded me of TDKR, as it was very bombastic kind of Zimmeresque, when Zimmer goes OTT.

Maybe because there was a track that sounded almost exactly like a track from TDKR soundtrack.

 

[The Shape]

Yeah, I thought McQuarrie went a little too far with the twists and turns to the point where I didn't know what side certain people were on.

Thankfully, that was the point.

 

[Greens]

Thankfully, that was the point.

I don't think the point was to confuse the audience, just surprise them.

 

[terry78]

You were supposed to be just as surprised as Hunt.

 

[Kane52630]

It's a classic trope in spy movies.

 

[BatLobster]

I thought that

Spoiler

the convoy hijack reminded me of TDK, and the establishing shots of Paris and London reminded me of TDK, TDKR and Inception -

Not a rip off, but a little bit of homage maybe ? Whether or not it was intentional, it certainly worked. I also thought that

Spoiler

the score reminded me of TDKR, as it was very bombastic kind of Zimmeresque, when Zimmer goes OTT.

Well, Lorne Balfe is one of Zimmer's frequent collaborators and has a studio at Remote Control Productions which is Zimmer's company. He also did the Lego Batman score which was clearly homaging Zimmer's Batman scores. So yeah, he's well-versed in doing that sound. There were definitely sections of Fallout where I was nearly expecting a Deshi Basara chant to breakout.

But truthfully, most movie scores are derivative in one way or another. I think the approach definitely matched the intensity of the movie here and I enjoyed it. It definitely made the stakes feel a lot higher compared to previous entries in the series. I think his use of the MI theme was cool and creative too.

 

[DACrowe]

What I like about it is, it [blackout]knows you're expecting a double cross. And figures you're savvy enough to see yet another double cross coming. And then the next one will be predicted by those who expect them to subvert expectations. But by the time it gets to the last one, it's like, "Bet you didn't see ALL those coming, now did ya, 'smart guy'?" It's like they're very knowingly playing a game with the audience.[/blackout]

Yes, I was laughing by the end too, because it is clearly admitting that plot in these movies is not a driving force, even though it technically drives the story.

It reminds me a bit of the story about The Big Sleep from 1946. That noir classic is based on a Raymond Chandler novel, but like all Hollywood movies changed a lot. During the production, Howard Hawks, William Faulkner, and a series of other writers worked on the script. And at a certain point, they realized they didn't know who was responsible for one of the key murders in the story, and despite arguing about it for a night over drinks, they couldn't find an agreement. So Hawks, Faulkner, et. all called Chandler, the novelist himself, and said "who killed this character?"

Chandler's memory of his answer: "They sent me a wire. Asking me, and dammit I didn’t know either!"

Sometimes plot is overrated.

 

[DACrowe]

Also I posted this on the other page, but I think it got buried at the break. As folks are again talking about Nolan, I'll repost this question:

Which spy movie borrows the most effectively (or just the most) from Nolan? Casino Royale; Skyfall; and Mission: Impossible - Fallout. All three take loosely or heavily from Nolan. (As does Spectre but... let's just leave that one out of it).

 

[Doctor Jones]

Christ, this movie is better the second time.

 

[BatLobster]

Also I posted this on the other page, but I think it got buried at the break. As folks are again talking about Nolan, I'll repost this question:

Which spy movie borrows the most effectively (or just the most) from Nolan? Casino Royale; Skyfall; and Mission: Impossible - Fallout. All three take loosely or heavily from Nolan. (As does Spectre but... let's just leave that one out of it).

Good question. I guess to me Fallout felt the most like a movie I could've seen Nolan doing, in terms of that constant edge of your seat feeling. It's been a while since I've seen CR and Skyfall though, tbh.

You know speaking of...I couldn't help but think that Fallout really set a new bar for spy/action if Nolan ever does take on Bond. The thing I'm stuck on is, I'm not sure how one could even come close without someone as insane as Cruise willing to do those stunts.

 

[Greens]

You were supposed to be just as surprised as Hunt.

It's not about surprise, it's about not making clear what is happening. To me, things got a little muddy when five twists happened in a row. Especially Angela Bassett's stance as a character.

 

[Mysteryman]

Sitting down for my third viewing, before the show starts,
I want you guys to know that Rogue Nation airs on FXX twice today
5pm and 8pm.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's not about surprise, it's about not making clear what is happening. To me, things got a little muddy when five twists happened in a row. Especially Angela Bassett's stance as a character.

That did confuse me for a second, but they also make it clear very quickly. Honestly, I liked that I didn't know what was happening for a second. Usually its too easy to guess.

 

[Man in the Suit]

Also I posted this on the other page, but I think it got buried at the break. As folks are again talking about Nolan, I'll repost this question:

Which spy movie borrows the most effectively (or just the most) from Nolan? Casino Royale; Skyfall; and Mission: Impossible - Fallout. All three take loosely or heavily from Nolan. (As does Spectre but... let's just leave that one out of it).

Fallout. Tone, the score, and especially the cross-cutting.