Mission: Impossible - Fallout - Part 2

[Kane52630]

Basically he was more focused on the action rather than the story when he was working on Rogue Nation.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thanks Kane.

 

[wampa1]

Rouge Nation.

Is that part of the Red State?

 

[wampa1]

One of my favorite aspects of the movie is it did feel like the coming together of a 4 film arc, but it also had what I felt was a ton of references to all 6 films. Which was rather neat.

There was an actual reference to the first:

Spoiler

The White Widow's mother being Max

And there was a callback to the second with the...

Spoiler

...freeclimbing

.

I think if they do another...

Spoiler

Brandt will be back as head of IMF

 

[The Shape]

I think if they do another...

Spoiler

Brandt will be back as head of IMF

Jesus, I hope not.

 

[titansupes]

So, I ended up seeing this tonight, just got back. First time seeing one of these in cinemas since the very first, when I was just six or seven years old.

Just so everyone knows, the first movie has always been my favourite. I'm the guy who thinks GP and RN-- as brilliantly as they're put together-- are largely... boring. I prefer a more serious (and paranoid) tone to my M:I, I need more and better character and emotional work than they've been offering up, and while the action scenes, again, are super well put together, they all just feel like fun romps with people bouncing around endlessly. No sense of danger or my type of intensity to them. Too much exposition. I also haven't much liked the scores to the films, which IMO, have only furthered the slightly goofy tone of it all. I'm FAAARRR from one of those people who thinks things need to be grim and gritty and dark and edgy and all that stuff. But I do want more of it from M:I.

Onto M:I:F--

I. Loved. It. So. Much.

UGH. All the things I'm talking about are so damn on point here. The action was straight up some the very best put on screen. It felt so intense, it felt like Ethan and co. had a genuine emotional stake in things, it felt like their lives were on the line. And it was BEAUTIFULLY shot and cut.

The characters felt more real, more vulnerable and more desperate. They added what I wanted to them without betraying the fact that these things are all about the spectacle. Ethan, Isla and Lane in particular were just fantastic. They may have made Ethan a little more Superman/Batman than usual, but it didn't actually feel unearned. White Widow was a delight to watch (great, subtle Vanessa Redgrave touches to her performance). The music was a mix of beautiful, intense and epic, but it does lead me to my biggest issue of the movie...

... BOOOYY, they took from TDK. Like a distracting amount. I mean, the music was a direct rip-off, and a lot of other aspects of the movie were a little too directly inspired. TDK's been my favourite movie since release, but I've hated everything that's tried to take from it too directly. M:I:F may actually be the worst offender for this, but... It undeniably resulted in a great movie this time. We'll see how this aspect of it ages for me.

Other small cons-- I still tuned out during the exposition, but their felt like less of it this time. It's also silly how Ethan/the IMF gets turned on by the government in some way in... What, just about every movie?

Overall, I'm very pleased. VERY pleased. Thrilling time at the movies. I genuinely think every aspect of this was the best the series has been.

*I say the first movie has been my favourite of the franchise, but M:I:F... I think it's gone ahead and claimed the top spot.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I've been on a spy movie kick since watching this film and last night I started to watch Spectre again. I hadn't seen it since it was in theaters and I didn't love it but I also didn't think it was bad. But there's this scene at the very beginning that's just stupid and it made me realize that M:I has totally replaced Bond as the best spy franchise out there.

Bond is in Mexico City during the Day of the Dead celebration. As part of his cover, he has this suit and tie on that has a skeleton design and a mask. He takes this babe up to a hotel room, makes out with her a little and the camera follows her over to the bed. Then it pans back over to Bond, who is suddenly wearing a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SUIT that was apparently UNDERNEATH the skeleton suit. He then climbs out the window to go kills some guys in another hotel across the street.

And that, in a nutshell, is why James Bond feels so dated compared to M:I. Despite Eon's efforts with Daniel Craig to make the character feel fresh and grounded in realism, they still can resist some kitschy stupidity like that. Because I guess, even when Bond is running around on a rooftop, he still has to be wearing a suit and tie. Now, in MI6, it felt a tad unrealistic that Cruise and Cavill apparently had suits on underneath their HALO jumpsuits. But at least it made sense, since they had to sneak into this nightclub immediately after. But the Bond thing is just ludicrous. I hope they do better in the next one, but it's really gotten stale at this point.

 

[FunkMiller]

I've been on a spy movie kick since watching this film and last night I started to watch Spectre again. I hadn't seen it since it was in theaters and I didn't love it but I also didn't think it was bad. But there's this scene at the very beginning that's just stupid and it made me realize that M:I has totally replaced Bond as the best spy franchise out there.

Bond is in Mexico City during the Day of the Dead celebration. As part of his cover, he has this suit and tie on that has a skeleton design and a mask. He takes this babe up to a hotel room, makes out with her a little and the camera follows her over to the bed. Then it pans back over to Bond, who is suddenly wearing a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SUIT that was apparently UNDERNEATH the skeleton suit. He then climbs out the window to go kills some guys in another hotel across the street.

And that, in a nutshell, is why James Bond feels so dated compared to M:I. Despite Eon's efforts with Daniel Craig to make the character feel fresh and grounded in realism, they still can resist some kitschy stupidity like that. Because I guess, even when Bond is running around on a rooftop, he still has to be wearing a suit and tie. Now, in MI6, it felt a tad unrealistic that Cruise and Cavill apparently had suits on underneath their HALO jumpsuits. But at least it made sense, since they had to sneak into this nightclub immediately after. But the Bond thing is just ludicrous. I hope they do better in the next one, but it's really gotten stale at this point.

I think, of we're being really honest about it, Spectre was a right pile of ****.

It wanted to retain the Nolanesque grittiness of Skyfall, but also reintroduce the kitchy, throwback stuff of earlier Bonds - like Blofeld's secret lair, that suit thing you mentioned, and that ridiculous half brothers plot device.

It's the worst of Craig's movies for me. Even more so that QoS.

Actually, thinking about it, Spectre makes a lot of the same mistakes as The Dark Knight Rises - injecting a comic book plot sensibility into a series that had previously been careful to avoid it.

I suppose that makes some sort of sense, given that Craig's entire run has been a rip off of Chris Nolan's work, when you get right down to it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Deadline says Rebecca Fergusun will be the female lead in the Men and Black spinoff with Chris Hemsworth.

I thought Tessa Thompson was the female lead?

 

[Deck Rickard]

I think, of we're being really honest about it, Spectre was a right pile of ****.

It wanted to retain the Nolanesque grittiness of Skyfall, but also reintroduce the kitchy, throwback stuff of earlier Bonds - like Blofeld's secret lair, that suit thing you mentioned, and that ridiculous half brothers plot device.

It's the worst of Craig's movies for me. Even more so that QoS.

Actually, thinking about it, Spectre makes a lot of the same mistakes as The Dark Knight Rises - injecting a comic book plot sensibility into a series that had previously been careful to avoid it.

I suppose that makes some sort of sense, given that Craig's entire run has been a rip off of Chris Nolan's work, when you get right down to it.

Yeah, I agree with that, especially your TDKR point. Though I like TDKR better. The sad thing about Spectre is that is could have been better. It SHOULD have. But the stupid Austin Powers adopted brother plot thing and retconning Silva to be a puppet of Blofeld... it was all really stupid. Shame they wasted a great actor and character (Waltz and Blofeld) in such a crap movie.

 

[TheVileOne]

The adopted brothers thing really hurts Spectre to me. Also, the romantic pairing.

 

[kevork89]

I never was into Bond tbh. I always remember watching them and just rolling my eyes. For me Bourne was always the best spy related franchise. And then after Ghost Protocol came out I decided to watch back all the MIs and was like what have I been missing out on.

Unfortunately the bad attempt at a Bourne spinoff plus the dull sequel Jason Bourne kind of killed that franchise a little and MI just consistently gets better each film.

I would love to see the whole gang reunited including Jonathan Rhys Myers, Maggie Q, Paula Patton and Jeremy Renner alongside Tom, Ving, Simon and Rebecca.

 

[Mysteryman]

I thought Tessa Thompson was the female lead?

Thompson is still in it.
Nobody is really sure what Rebecca's role in the film actually is, no details yet.

 

[antsman41]

Fallout
Rogue Nation
III
Mission: Impossible
Ghost Protocol
II

I wish Rebecca Ferguson was Wonder Woman. For how much I love Casino Royal and Skyfall (well, Craig era and Bond overall) I have to be honest... GN and Fallout do Bond Girl and Blofeld better than Spectre.

EDIT; I always forget/merge the titles of Ghost/Rogue... Ghost is pretty lackluster on this last rewatch and Post-Rogue Nation.

 

[Greens]

Fallout
Ghost Nation
III
Mission: Impossible
II

I wish Rebecca Ferguson was Wonder Woman. For how much I love Casino Royal and Skyfall (well, Craig era and Bond overall) I have to be honest... GN and Fallout do Bond Girl and Blofeld better than Spectre.

Spectre isn't hard to beat

I would put Rogue Nation above Fallout. It felt a lot tighter with less nuclear bomb mumbo jumbo. Not sure about Ghost Protocol.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I've I was ranking the Mission movies, I'd go;

Fallout
Rogue Nation
Ghost Protocol
Mission Impossible
Mi:III
Mi:2

Yeah, I agree with that, especially your TDKR point. Though I like TDKR better. The sad thing about Spectre is that is could have been better. It SHOULD have. But the stupid Austin Powers adopted brother plot thing and retconning Silva to be a puppet of Blofeld... it was all really stupid. Shame they wasted a great actor and character (Waltz and Blofeld) in such a crap movie.

I don't know why Sam Mendes went to such lengths to connect everything, it didn't seem like something he would do, it was all a bit like fan fiction as the tied themselves in knots to link everyone and everything.

The other thing in Spectre I thought was a waste was the car chase, they had two stunning supercars and did one of the flattest chases I've ever seen, but Hinx was a decent oldschool henchman and the fight on the train with him and Bond was awesome, it would have been a better finale than the thing they tacked on after realizing the Morocco shootout was too short and simple.

The adopted brothers thing really hurts Spectre to me. Also, the romantic pairing.

What was wrong with Lea Seydoux? I thought her and Craig played off each other quite well.

 

[Visceral]

https://www.shrinktank.com/moral-psychology-of-mission-impossible-fallout/

The moral psychology of fallout

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Fallout does SPECTRE, "its all connected" done right imo. Mainly as it doesn't try to make it all connected, while still bringing up a tone of the past and references.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Fall Out
Rogue Nation
MI 3
Ghost Protocol
MI
MI 2

 

[gwynplaine]

Ghost Protocol
Rogue Nation
Fallout
MI 3
MI
MI 2

 

[Mysteryman]

1.Mission:Impossible.
2.MI:III.
3.Fallout.
4.Ghost Protocol.
5.Rogue Nation.
6.MI:II.

 

[kevork89]

Ranked for me would be

Fallout
Rogue Nation
Mission Impossible
Ghost Protocol
MI 3
MI 2

 

[DyeLorean]

Ghost Protocol
Fallout
III*
Rogue Nation*
I
II

*These are easily interchangeable

 

[TheVileOne]

Fallout does SPECTRE, "its all connected" done right imo. Mainly as it doesn't try to make it all connected, while still bringing up a tone of the past and references.

Blofeld and Walker aren't Hunt's adopted brothers.

 

[DACrowe]

I've been on a spy movie kick since watching this film and last night I started to watch Spectre again. I hadn't seen it since it was in theaters and I didn't love it but I also didn't think it was bad. But there's this scene at the very beginning that's just stupid and it made me realize that M:I has totally replaced Bond as the best spy franchise out there.

Bond is in Mexico City during the Day of the Dead celebration. As part of his cover, he has this suit and tie on that has a skeleton design and a mask. He takes this babe up to a hotel room, makes out with her a little and the camera follows her over to the bed. Then it pans back over to Bond, who is suddenly wearing a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SUIT that was apparently UNDERNEATH the skeleton suit. He then climbs out the window to go kills some guys in another hotel across the street.

And that, in a nutshell, is why James Bond feels so dated compared to M:I. Despite Eon's efforts with Daniel Craig to make the character feel fresh and grounded in realism, they still can resist some kitschy stupidity like that. Because I guess, even when Bond is running around on a rooftop, he still has to be wearing a suit and tie. Now, in MI6, it felt a tad unrealistic that Cruise and Cavill apparently had suits on underneath their HALO jumpsuits. But at least it made sense, since they had to sneak into this nightclub immediately after. But the Bond thing is just ludicrous. I hope they do better in the next one, but it's really gotten stale at this point.

I think, of we're being really honest about it, Spectre was a right pile of ****.

It wanted to retain the Nolanesque grittiness of Skyfall, but also reintroduce the kitchy, throwback stuff of earlier Bonds - like Blofeld's secret lair, that suit thing you mentioned, and that ridiculous half brothers plot device.

It's the worst of Craig's movies for me. Even more so that QoS.

Actually, thinking about it, Spectre makes a lot of the same mistakes as The Dark Knight Rises - injecting a comic book plot sensibility into a series that had previously been careful to avoid it.

I suppose that makes some sort of sense, given that Craig's entire run has been a rip off of Chris Nolan's work, when you get right down to it.

Spectre is a disappointment... but I'll stick up for that Mexico City sequence. It is ****ing brilliant with the long tracking shot (or at least the illusion of it) from the opening wide, vast look at the parade to ending on him changing into a suit for an assassination attempt, almost whistling while he worked.

I mean yeah, Bond wears nice suits and "romances" forward women... Ethan Hunt wears rubber masks and is always hanging from flying vehicles and stopping the nuclear bomb at 0:00.1 seconds. Let's not accuse one of being more ridiculous than the other.

The problem though with Spectre is that after Rome (I do like that sequence as well, actually) it gets very boring and dry. The romance is stilted and unconvincing as anything more than a booty call, and Blofeld being Bond's stepbrother is just about the stupidest thing ever.

With that said, it's still better than QoS. Spectre has a few great scenes and visually is quite stylish and fun. QoS is boring the whole way through and an eyesore. It also wastes the "Bond on a rampage, revenge" setup from CR.





.... With that said, I think these posts raise on more interesting question. Which spy movie borrows the most effectively (or just the most) from Nolan? Casino Royale; Skyfall; and Mission: Impossible - Fallout. All three take loosely or heavily from Nolan. (As does Spectre but... let's just leave that one out of it).