Mission: Impossible - Fallout - Part 2

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Yeah, he was Lark. But it's not entirely clear how much of Lark is actually Walker and how much it's Lane pulling the strings. I feel like it's probably a combination of both, and Lane is clearly crazier and more ruthless (and more competent) than Walker. At least that's how I interpreted it. But I'd have to see it again to be sure.

I'm kinda surprised they left Lane alive at the end though. I think he's a great villain, even more so in this film than he was in RN. But I worry that he could start to feel stale if they bring him back again.

If they do intend to bring Lane back I really hope McQ gets to finally fully realize the cat and mouse final confrontation he wanted to do at the end of Rogue Nation. Ever since he talked about it on that films audio commentary I’ve really wanted to see it.

He said they ended up cutting it was because he didn’t feel it was earned as Ethan and Lane hadn’t spent enough time together and he couldn’t make it work with what they had. At 3 movies in and having seen Lane’s effect on Ethan as well as the interesting relationship they have, would be cool to return to that idea.
 
If they do intend to bring Lane back I really hope McQ gets to finally fully realize the cat and mouse final confrontation he wanted to do at the end of Rogue Nation. Ever since he talked about it on that films audio commentary I’ve really wanted to see it.

He said they ended up cutting it was because he didn’t feel it was earned as Ethan and Lane hadn’t spent enough time together and he couldn’t make it work with what they had. At 3 movies in and having seen Lane’s effect on Ethan as well as the interesting relationship they have, would be cool to return to that idea.

I didn't watch the commentary; what exactly did he want to do there?
 
I didn't watch the commentary; what exactly did he want to do there?

He only touched on it briefly but basically the original ending they had written (might’ve filmed it too but can’t remeber) for Rogue Nation was that after the foot chase through London, instead of Ethan leading Lane to the glass box they capture him in, it would be Lane hunting Ethan in a psychological cat and mouse type situation throughout the building they’re in resulting in Ethan killing Lane.
 
In another note, I rewatched M:I 1 and M:I 3 again over the last week. They both feel like different franchises from what McQuarrie built in the last three (while GP is definitely a Brad Bird movie, McQ apparently rewrote much of the script, even though he didn't get credit). Still, M:I 1 stands out as a great spy movie.

I like how in some ways it's a little more "real" than these later films, even though they break into Langley and it ends with Ethan jumping from an exploding helicopter and landing on a speeding chunnel train. So maybe not "real," but they felt more like spies than superspies in that one. I also loved De Palma's highly stylized aesthetic and psychosexual tension. I standby it is one of the best films in the series, even if it feels pretty far removed from what the series rightly became. (Plus, that Vault sequence is still THE best set pieces n the whole franchise.)

MI: 3... this is probably the last time I watch it. It has some nice moments, PSH is terrific as always (really miss him), and it introduced Benji, even if in a throwaway role. But it is just so generic otherwise. It was the height of Tom Cruise's ego, and it shows in how some of the story is presented, and most of it looks and feels like an expensive episode of Alias. The only moments that are particularly cinematic are when they break into the Vatican and the brief moment Ethan and Keri Russell are working together before she dies. Otherwise though, it's a pretty mediocre movie.

I will add though that M:I3 paved the way for how great the next three movies became. And one thing I did not remember is how clunky JJ Abrams inserted a sendup of the Bush administration in it with Billy Crudup's character being the son of "someone who golfs with the president" and his ultimate goal being to create massive amounts of money by destabilizing and then invading some unnamed country (a la the cynic's view about why we invaded Iraq).

It got me thinking M:I3 is the only one made during the Bush years and relatively close to 9/11. The first two are very much products of the Clinton era, and Rogue Nation very much felt derived from the Obama era. I wonder if now that the right wing is obsessed with creating this "Deep State" conspiracy theory to justify Trump's failings will somehow be incorporated into another Mission: Impossible movie, if very loosely? Just kind of a random thought from watching M:I 3, which is the most overt of the era it was made in.


I don't care what anyone says. I will take M:I 2 over M:I 3 any day of the week, every damn time.

Then again, I seem to be the only guy around here who actually really likes M:I 2...
 
I dunno, I looove MI:3 and I love it because A) the story is simple, straightforward and easy to follow (lets face it, these movies get too convoluted for their own good sometimes). B) PSH is the BEST villain of the franchise. He was so menacing and really brought the tension to the film. C) the climax. Even though it wasnt as epic as MI4-6, i thought it was tense AF especially when Ethan "dies" and Julia is left to fend off a bunch of mercenaries by herself while trying to revive her husband. I thought JJ did an excellent job of crafting an intimate but nailbiting climax in that movie.
 
I dunno, I looove MI:3 and I love it because A) the story is simple, straightforward and easy to follow (lets face it, these movies get too convoluted for their own good sometimes). B) PSH is the BEST villain of the franchise. He was so menacing and really brought the tension to the film. C) the climax. Even though it wasnt as epic as MI4-6, i thought it was tense AF especially when Ethan "dies" and Julia is left to fend off a bunch of mercenaries by herself while trying to revive her husband. I thought JJ did an excellent job of crafting an intimate but nailbiting climax in that movie.


Yeah pretty much. Also MI:2 isn't just a bad MI film, it's a bad John Woo film. It feels like a cheap imitation of a Woo film done by a far less talented filmmaker.

Plus #2 was the one film where I feel like Cruise's ego went a bit overboard.
 
Enjoyed this outing for Hunt, some great set pieces that deserve to be seen on the big screen, sure it wasn't intentional but there was a bit that reminded me of Crusies alley way scene in Collateral.

Overall the stunts are well worth seeing on the big screen even if other MI's have had better stories/plots, would probably rank 3rd behind Rogue Nation and the Original for me but great watching.
 
I wonder if they'll have a name for the villain for MI7? Maybe cast someone who's never work with Cruise before like Tom Hanks or even a female villain.

Also, with
Hunley dead, they could easily get a name for the new IMF secretary
 
I'd love for their to finally be a female main villain actually. Also:

The last two IMF Directors have both been assassinated, so IDK who would even want that job at this point. ;)
 
I wonder if they'll have a name for the villain for MI7? Maybe cast someone who's never work with Cruise before like Tom Hanks or even a female villain.

Also, with
Hunley dead, they could easily get a name for the new IMF secretary

I think that
Sloan may end up being the next IMF director. And if not, then perhaps Ethan may end up as the director by the end of MI7. It might be a good way to pass the torch on a bit, if they decide to go that route. Cruise could still be heavily involved and have a hand in some of the action scenes going forward, but the majority of the action could be handled by Ilsa and some of the new blood.
 
Definitely thought the movie would end setting up Ilsa as the new lead. Not quite what happened and I have serious doubts Cruise will relinquish his lead but little by little...

On a different topic, funny how Cavill worked just as well as an argument against Bond and a totally convincing audition for the role.
 
I dunno, I looove MI:3 and I love it because A) the story is simple, straightforward and easy to follow (lets face it, these movies get too convoluted for their own good sometimes). B) PSH is the BEST villain of the franchise. He was so menacing and really brought the tension to the film. C) the climax. Even though it wasnt as epic as MI4-6, i thought it was tense AF especially when Ethan "dies" and Julia is left to fend off a bunch of mercenaries by herself while trying to revive her husband. I thought JJ did an excellent job of crafting an intimate but nail biting climax in that movie.
MI:3 may not be the best in the franchise, but it is my personal favorite for all of the reasons that you described.
 
He only touched on it briefly but basically the original ending they had written (might’ve filmed it too but can’t remeber) for Rogue Nation was that after the foot chase through London, instead of Ethan leading Lane to the glass box they capture him in, it would be Lane hunting Ethan in a psychological cat and mouse type situation throughout the building they’re in resulting in Ethan killing Lane.


Sounds kind of like the ending with Bond and Blofeld in Spectre.
 
Definitely thought the movie would end setting up Ilsa as the new lead. Not quite what happened and I have serious doubts Cruise will relinquish his lead but little by little...
On paper that might sound like a good idea, but people go to these movies to watch Tom Cruise, someone that they feel they know, do crazy things, I don't' think that they have that same relationship with Rebecca And I believe she knows that.
 
I'd love for their to finally be a female main villain actually. Also:

The last two IMF Directors have both been assassinated, so IDK who would even want that job at this point. ;)

I think whoever gets it probably would stay desk bound, it's too much of a liability having them out in the field
 
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So we're thinking McQuarrie comes back for a 3rd? If not, I'm here for James Mangold who directed Cruise in the underrated Knight & Day.

The man can handle aging action heroes...
 
Yeah, Knight & Day was a fun movie. It was kinda like a lighthearted Mission: Impossible.
 
Regarding Cavill, I think that
he was kind of a "Justin Hammer" type of villain; a foil for Hunt in that while he's clearly skilled, he's also somewhat incompetent and perhaps that's why he ultimately went bad. Early on in the film, when he's trying to frame Hunt, he talks about how everyone in the Syndicate believed in something and they became disillusioned with the system. I think that in Walker's case, he probably handled some of his assignments poorly and when things went awry, he blamed the system instead of placing he blame where it belonged - on himself. They didn't really elaborate on it, but in his conversation with Sloan, she says something to him about how he needs to redeem himself; my guess is, he's responsible for a big screw-up; perhaps multiple screw-ups.

Either way, I think Cavill was really good in the role. I liked his cocky attitude toward Hunt and he really shined in that confrontation with Benji-Lane.

Also, Cavill dropped the B-word again in an interview recently (Bond). Do you guys think it could happen? With Superman's future uncertain with WB, I wonder if EON could eye him up for Bond. Supposedly, he was the runner-up to Daniel Craig and the only reason he didn't get it was that he was too young. That certainly wouldn't be an issue now.

(waits for a barrage of posts scolding me and proclaiming that Man of Steel 2 is going to be announced any minute now)

Nope. I don't think he's quite got the range for it.
 
Agreed, I don’t think Cavill would be a very good Bond other than his looks. Sort of the reverse of Daniel Craig.
 
I'm a big fan of Cavill (and justice ;) ) and I'm actively rooting for the guy but I don't think Bond fits him.
 
I dunno, I looove MI:3 and I love it because A) the story is simple, straightforward and easy to follow (lets face it, these movies get too convoluted for their own good sometimes). B) PSH is the BEST villain of the franchise. He was so menacing and really brought the tension to the film. C) the climax. Even though it wasnt as epic as MI4-6, i thought it was tense AF especially when Ethan "dies" and Julia is left to fend off a bunch of mercenaries by herself while trying to revive her husband. I thought JJ did an excellent job of crafting an intimate but nailbiting climax in that movie.
I thought M:I 3 was the best one until Fallout. It has Cruise and PSH yelling at each other, and there's a lot of running. It's great.
 
So we're thinking McQuarrie comes back for a 3rd? If not, I'm here for James Mangold who directed Cruise in the underrated Knight & Day.

The man can handle aging action heroes...
I Love Knight & Day.
But, it wasn't well received at the box office.
 
Nope. I don't think he's quite got the range for it.

I like Bond a lot, but do you really need a ton of range to play him? Whether you go more Daniel Craig or more Sean Connery, the character is fairly static from film to film.
 
I like Bond a lot, but do you really need a ton of range to play him? Whether you go more Daniel Craig or more Sean Connery, the character is fairly static from film to film.

As excellent of a public speaker he is, he's not posh enough for a Brit
 

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