Mission: Impossible - Fallout - Part 2

[flickchick85]

It was certainly as memorable.

 

[Deck Rickard]

It was certainly as memorable.

LOL, agreed!

Anyway, I would say that this film might be the best in the series. It’s certainly up there with the last two. I loved every minute and I feel that all the key players were utilized very well. I do agree with Vile though that they showed a bit too much in the trailers. But that didn’t keep me from enjoying the hell out of this movie.

 

[Flemm]

I had a ton of fun watching this. You don't leave feeling cheated, that's for sure. It's like an action movie clinic.

I've seen most of the movies from this series in the theater, but I haven't followed them very closely.

Anyway, I felt like this one kicked it up a notch. Some genuinely intense, thrilling moments. A little less reliant on gimmickry than some installments, at least if memory serves. The characters felt a little bit more fleshed out also.

Definitely worthy of the critical praise, as it is technically great. I might end up seeing it again.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Outside of all the action and plot-twists, the thing I loved the most were all the 'easter egg' plot points that applied throughout the previous films, [BLACKOUT]particularly the link to the original film[/BLACKOUT].

 

[MadVillainy]

Mustachegate was worth it.

Well worth it. I assume the stunt that they couldn't do with a fake mustache was [BLACKOUT]the helicopter stuff. Even on a green screen all that wind they had to blow to make it seem like he was in the air[/BLACKOUT]

I can see him doing two more movies and then that's it. Leave it as one of the greatest action/spy series of films and let them be.

I'd be 100% down with that

I almost kind of wish the Bourne series ended with Ultimatum. Then you end it on the strongest one.

Had the perfect ending too with him swimming off into the night. But they had to mess that all up.

 

[kguillou]

I just kinda wish Henry Cavill amounted to a little more in this film than he was. He had great screen prescence, suave, cavalier, with a hint of something not quite right beneath the surface. They could've really made him a tremendous villain, I think, up there with Phillip Seymour Hoffman in MI:III.

 

[samsnee]

Yeap Cavill didn't get to do much. Needed to get saved a couple of times by Hunt, and then just went into auto-pilot the rest of the movie. He didn't even get a cool monologue.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Regarding Cavill, I think that

Spoiler

he was kind of a "Justin Hammer" type of villain; a foil for Hunt in that while he's clearly skilled, he's also somewhat incompetent and perhaps that's why he ultimately went bad. Early on in the film, when he's trying to frame Hunt, he talks about how everyone in the Syndicate believed in something and they became disillusioned with the system. I think that in Walker's case, he probably handled some of his assignments poorly and when things went awry, he blamed the system instead of placing he blame where it belonged - on himself. They didn't really elaborate on it, but in his conversation with Sloan, she says something to him about how he needs to redeem himself; my guess is, he's responsible for a big screw-up; perhaps multiple screw-ups.

Either way, I think Cavill was really good in the role. I liked his cocky attitude toward Hunt and he really shined in that confrontation with Benji-Lane.

Also, Cavill dropped the B-word again in an interview recently (Bond). Do you guys think it could happen? With Superman's future uncertain with WB, I wonder if EON could eye him up for Bond. Supposedly, he was the runner-up to Daniel Craig and the only reason he didn't get it was that he was too young. That certainly wouldn't be an issue now.

(waits for a barrage of posts scolding me and proclaiming that Man of Steel 2 is going to be announced any minute now)

 

[Doctor Jones]

This was awesome. Who would have thought this has become one of the best action franchises ever? These three films are a few of the best action films of the decade. McQuarrie shows why he is king. What hasn't already been said about this?

If I had to rank them, for now it's

Ghost Protocol
Rogue Nation
Fallout
M:I
M:I 3


M:I 2

If you were to say Fallout was the best, I couldn't argue with that. Fallout being number 3 in this franchise isn't a bad thing at all where with most franchises it's clear where they are relatively. These past three films are all stellar in their own way I think it just comes down to preference. Sort of like an Alien/Aliens type deal. Depends on your personality.

I think Cruise has one left in him. Then again, they can keep making them as long as long as they're as good as these. Bring back everyone and let's get to a good round number for six and I don't have to keep seeing M:I 2 as that pesky odd man out.

 

[Mysteryman]

This was awesome. Who would have thought this has become one of the best action franchises ever? These three films are a few of the best action films of the decade. McQuarrie shows why he is king. What hasn't already been said about this?

If I had to rank them, for now it's

Ghost Protocol
Rogue Nation
Fallout
M:I
M:I 3


M:I 2

If you were to say Fallout was the best, I couldn't argue with that. Fallout being number 3 in this franchise isn't a bad thing at all where with most franchises it's clear where they are relatively. These past three films are all stellar in their own way I think it just comes down to preference. Sort of like an Alien/Aliens type deal. Depends on your personality.

I think Cruise has one left in him. Then again, they can keep making them as long as long as they're as good as these. Bring back everyone and let's get to a good round number for six and I don't have to keep seeing M:I 2 as that pesky odd man out.

Good ranking
Very appropriate.

 

[kguillou]

Regarding Cavill, I think that

Spoiler

he was kind of a "Justin Hammer" type of villain; a foil for Hunt in that while he's clearly skilled, he's also somewhat incompetent and perhaps that's why he ultimately went bad. Early on in the film, when he's trying to frame Hunt, he talks about how everyone in the Syndicate believed in something and they became disillusioned with the system. I think that in Walker's case, he probably handled some of his assignments poorly and when things went awry, he blamed the system instead of placing he blame where it belonged - on himself. They didn't really elaborate on it, but in his conversation with Sloan, she says something to him about how he needs to redeem himself; my guess is, he's responsible for a big screw-up; perhaps multiple screw-ups.

Either way, I think Cavill was really good in the role. I liked his cocky attitude toward Hunt and he really shined in that confrontation with Benji-Lane.

Also, Cavill dropped the B-word again in an interview recently (Bond). Do you guys think it could happen? With Superman's future uncertain with WB, I wonder if EON could eye him up for Bond. Supposedly, he was the runner-up to Daniel Craig and the only reason he didn't get it was that he was too young. That certainly wouldn't be an issue now.

(waits for a barrage of posts scolding me and proclaiming that Man of Steel 2 is going to be announced any minute now)

Well, here's the thing, I want to clarify:

Spoiler

Cavill's Walker character is actually this mythical "John Lark" that they kept talking about throughout the film, right? A ruthless assassin whose killed women and children, isn't that what they said? That was actually Cavill's character right or did I misunderstand that? That's why I thought he was going to end up being an awesome villain, they seemed to have been building up his myth throughout the film.

 

[Gold Samurai]

This was awesome. Who would have thought this has become one of the best action franchises ever? These three films are a few of the best action films of the decade. McQuarrie shows why he is king. What hasn't already been said about this?

If I had to rank them, for now it's

Ghost Protocol
Rogue Nation
Fallout
M:I
M:I 3


M:I 2

If you were to say Fallout was the best, I couldn't argue with that. Fallout being number 3 in this franchise isn't a bad thing at all where with most franchises it's clear where they are relatively. These past three films are all stellar in their own way I think it just comes down to preference. Sort of like an Alien/Aliens type deal. Depends on your personality.

I think Cruise has one left in him. Then again, they can keep making them as long as long as they're as good as these. Bring back everyone and let's get to a good round number for six and I don't have to keep seeing M:I 2 as that pesky odd man out.

For me it would be

Fallout
Rogue Nation
Ghost Protocol
M:I 3
M:I 1
M:I 2

With Mcquarrie as director we've started to get at least three action sequences in a movie with Cruise that are worth your money.

Rogue Nation- Plane, Car, Bike

Fallout- Plane, Bike,Car, Helicopter

The previous sequences were great but they were never hyped up like before with the Burj Khalifa scene

 

[DACrowe]

I agree McQuarrie's planning to do one more, but I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to leave after that. Like you said, it'll be like his own little trilogy within the franchise. And a part of me thinks he and Cruise are planning on this next one to be a swan song for the both of them. I have my doubts Cruise will want to continue on without McQ. He'll want to go out on the best note possible.

That's interesting regarding making part 7 is swan song. I do think McQ plans to come back, and I want him to. It also guarantees Ilsa comes back. It also likely means we'd only wait 2-3 years as opposed to a longer gap if he's doing one more.

But making it Cruise's last M:I? It's interesting, but I don't see his ego letting it end. I don't think they'll acknowledge his age ever and this is sole moneymaker these days. As long as his body can do a part 8, I see him doing it. Albeit yes, I suspect by then it will be time for a new filmmaker to come in.... although I don't know if Cruise's body will be able to go past that, not that I am ruling him out him trying anyway.

I did not miss him even a little bit, lol.

Renner was clearly added with the intention of taking over the series. When that didn't happen in Rogue Nation, I personally suspect he wanted out. (He didn't have time for M:I but he had time to film that lame comedy Tag last year?).

He was pretty much just a redundancy in Rogue Nation, so I don't really see the need to keep him around. Luther, Benji, and Ilsa are much more important at this point. It would suck if any of them didn't come back for part 7.

 

[DACrowe]

In another note, I rewatched M:I 1 and M:I 3 again over the last week. They both feel like different franchises from what McQuarrie built in the last three (while GP is definitely a Brad Bird movie, McQ apparently rewrote much of the script, even though he didn't get credit). Still, M:I 1 stands out as a great spy movie.

I like how in some ways it's a little more "real" than these later films, even though they break into Langley and it ends with Ethan jumping from an exploding helicopter and landing on a speeding chunnel train. So maybe not "real," but they felt more like spies than superspies in that one. I also loved De Palma's highly stylized aesthetic and psychosexual tension. I standby it is one of the best films in the series, even if it feels pretty far removed from what the series rightly became. (Plus, that Vault sequence is still THE best set pieces n the whole franchise.)

MI: 3... this is probably the last time I watch it. It has some nice moments, PSH is terrific as always (really miss him), and it introduced Benji, even if in a throwaway role. But it is just so generic otherwise. It was the height of Tom Cruise's ego, and it shows in how some of the story is presented, and most of it looks and feels like an expensive episode of Alias. The only moments that are particularly cinematic are when they break into the Vatican and the brief moment Ethan and Keri Russell are working together before she dies. Otherwise though, it's a pretty mediocre movie.

I will add though that M:I3 paved the way for how great the next three movies became. And one thing I did not remember is how clunky JJ Abrams inserted a sendup of the Bush administration in it with Billy Crudup's character being the son of "someone who golfs with the president" and his ultimate goal being to create massive amounts of money by destabilizing and then invading some unnamed country (a la the cynic's view about why we invaded Iraq).

It got me thinking M:I3 is the only one made during the Bush years and relatively close to 9/11. The first two are very much products of the Clinton era, and Rogue Nation very much felt derived from the Obama era. I wonder if now that the right wing is obsessed with creating this "Deep State" conspiracy theory to justify Trump's failings will somehow be incorporated into another Mission: Impossible movie, if very loosely? Just kind of a random thought from watching M:I 3, which is the most overt of the era it was made in.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Well, here's the thing, I want to clarify:

Spoiler

Cavill's Walker character is actually this mythical "John Lark" that they kept talking about throughout the film, right? A ruthless assassin whose killed women and children, isn't that what they said? That was actually Cavill's character right or did I misunderstand that? That's why I thought he was going to end up being an awesome villain, they seemed to have been building up his myth throughout the film.

Spoiler

Yeah, he was Lark. But it's not entirely clear how much of Lark is actually Walker and how much it's Lane pulling the strings. I feel like it's probably a combination of both, and Lane is clearly crazier and more ruthless (and more competent) than Walker. At least that's how I interpreted it. But I'd have to see it again to be sure.

I'm kinda surprised they left Lane alive at the end though. I think he's a great villain, even more so in this film than he was in RN. But I worry that he could start to feel stale if they bring him back again.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Also, quick question about the White Widow.

Spoiler

When Hunt meets her at that club, there are a bunch of men that attack them. Who were they, exactly? I'm sure they said it but I forget and I looked it up on wikipedia and they said they were Apostles. But that doesn't make sense because the Widow was brokering the deal between Lark and the Apostles. So why would they want to kill the two of them? Or maybe they were just trying to apprehend Lark and the Widow so they could control them?

 

[SuperBatman]

Also, quick question about the White Widow.

Spoiler

When Hunt meets her at that club, there are a bunch of men that attack them. Who were they, exactly? I'm sure they said it but I forget and I looked it up on wikipedia and they said they were Apostles. But that doesn't make sense because the Widow was brokering the deal between Lark and the Apostles. So why would they want to kill the two of them? Or maybe they were just trying to apprehend Lark and the Widow so they could control them?

Spoiler

Pretty Sure Isla told hunt there was a few people that new Lark was meeting with the Widow and if they saw him meeting with the Widow they were going to assume that Hunt was Lark and was going to kill him. When Hunt meet with the Widow he told her that she was in danger mostly from Americans so I really don't know who the men was working for

 

[Deck Rickard]

Spoiler

Pretty Sure Isla told hunt there was a few people that new Lark was meeting with the Widow and if they saw him meeting with the Widow they were going to assume that Hunt was Lark and was going to kill him. When Hunt meet with the Widow he told her that she was in danger mostly from Americans so I really don't know who the men was working for

Okay, yeah I do remember Ilsa saying something like that but it's weird that they didn't really clarify who they were.

 

[kane9321]

one helleva movie,,JUST LOVED IT

 

[kane9321]

can someone please tell me, spoilers obviously - Cavill - could he return as the main character or slowly morph into it and take over??

Spoiler

NOT A CHANCE IN HELL

 

[Deck Rickard]

Spoiler

NOT A CHANCE IN HELL

Well, maybe Walker

Spoiler

somehow survived having a metal hook rip through his head and will return in the next film with gaping hole in his forehead.

 

[TheVileOne]

Spoiler

I kind of feel Walker's fate was pretty definitive there

 

[markjoedelonge]

Did anyone else chuckle at how Cavill went from "Hope is like your car keys" to

Spoiler

"Hope is not a strategy!"

Also, did anyone else get major

Spoiler

Two-Face vibes when Cavill's face was burned by the oil??

 

[Deck Rickard]

Also, did anyone else get major

Spoiler

Two-Face vibes when Cavill's face was burned by the oil??

Yeah, totally!

Spoiler

That made me wonder if Walker was actually going to survive the battle so that he could return as a classic disfigured villain with a grudge. But alas, there's no way he'll walk away from that ending, no pun intended.

 

[Ninjablade]

Spoiler

I kind of feel Walker's fate was pretty definitive there

Spoiler

Even without the hook there was the giant blood spatter on the side of the mountain once he hit it