More Exclusive Story Info About the Jla by Patrick Sauriol

[Paradoxium]

The way Patrick kept talking - it made it seem like it was not what we were expecting...

 

[I Am The Knight]

It's not "Empire" level stuff, that's for sure. And it was never going to be, if that's actually true. Hmmm.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Big spoilerrr : read it at your own risk

Spoiler

If this is true, I guess that rumor AICN posted a couple months ago about the script was right. They said Talia was in the film...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33472


Interesting. Makes sense I suppose but agree with everyone that thinks this doesn't really qualify as an "Empire" level of a twist, at least not to the fans.

I wonder if Ra's will actually appear in the film or if we will only be led to believe he's the one pulling the strings before Talia shows up.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

It's not "Empire" level stuff, that's for sure. And it was never going to be, if that's actually true. Hmmm.

Seriously, how the H E double hockey sticks is this even remotely close to "Empire" level stuff? So the audience thinks it's Ra's all along, I wonder how. Is it because we see him throughout the movie, or maybe and most likely his name is thrown out by Batman and then Talia pops up towards the end. But is the audience really gonna care Talia is behind everything?

 

[az824]

EDIT story sounds good

 

[Dark Knight]

Thanks to stoney at Iesb for the alert

http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.php/...fo_about_the_justice_league_of_america_movie/

Ps : If a mod can shorten the title to "More Exclusive Story Info About the Jl by Patrick Sauriol" thanks in advance

I read this over at IESB.....and it's a relief to know that this story looks to be the real thing. Thank god it wasn't that crap that was floating around last week.


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Talia looks to be the mystery villian. I hope Ra's is played by Neeson IF he will be shown in the film.....but I would prefer that he just be mentioned by name only in this JL film and not actually shown.

 

[Dark Knight]

Anti-climactic if you never seen a movie with a twist.

Exactly.....

It's anti-climactic for us fans sure because we know what is up....but for the general movie going public.....they will soak it up.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Seriously, how the H E double hockey sticks is this even remotely close to "Empire" level stuff? So the audience thinks it's Ra's all along, I wonder how. Is it because we see him throughout the movie, or maybe and most likely his name is thrown out by Batman and then Talia pops up towards the end. But is the audience really gonna care Talia is behind everything?

Right, in Empire, we care because we have been invested with Vader and Luke throughout 2 movies, with a huge GA following and geek following, so when Vader says those words it's shocking and unexpected, IMO. Here is man you love to hate, revealing his true identity to the hero, and it makes you go back to the first Star Wars, considering everything that Ben Kenobi said about his father, his encounter with him in the Death Star, Luke's destiny if he joins the Dark Side, etc, etc....

Here, well, the audience will not know who Talia is. Even if she's heavily featured throughout the movie, the reveal will not be particularly shocking, or reach the Empire king of shock, mainly because the audience will not be invested in her character. In Begins it worked, because in the first act, Ducard is very present. But I doubt that a multi character movie like JL will have time to do something similar, when you have so much story and characters to cover. All IMHO, of course. The lenght of the film and other things will come into play as how well this will work. We won't know for sure until the movie comes out...

 

[Maze]

Say if i were you Dark knight i would edit my post to put some spoilers tag in it.

 

[The Guard]

Can I just point out that the whole "Talia is behind it all" thing isn't new? It's been rumored for months.

And yes, it's anticlimactic as twists go, unless you spend a GREAT deal of time on her and Bruce's relationship during the film, which I don't think is likely.

 

[Robin91939]

My thoughts:

I think that Guard, if you read his posts around pages 2-3, are right. I think that:
[BLACKOUT]
-Diana will "break character" and do something un"heroic", like Kill Maxwell Lord.

Spoiler

-I think that Barry Allen is dead, and died during the films plot. I think it will be very, Remember the Titans, where they begin with the funeral, then as the film progresses, in flashback we'll meet Barry and then he'll die and the film will end with the funeral, where it began.

-We'll be introduced to Bart Allen or Wally West during the course of the plot and he'll take over for Barry after he dies.

-Maxwell Lord will be the "main" villain with his OMACs. Ra's Al Ghul will be pulling the strings.
By act three we'll learn of a bigger threat: I'm thinking Brainiac or Darkseid with the biggest possibility being Brainiac. I would love Darkseid, but when I hear "nanobots" and I think Brainiac immediately.

I think that Ra's offered Brainiac something in return for the technology to defeat the League and Brainiac will double cross Ra's Al Ghul.

The "Empire" twist...which I think is going to be the reveal of the "true" villain will have to be a big name. That would mean a Batman or Superman villain, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, The Flash, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman have goog villains, but their villain's just don't compete with Superman and Batman's in terms of audience recognition. The reveal will be either, Ra's Al Ghul, Lex Luthor, Darkseid, Brainiac or even the Joker (which I find the least likely).[/BLACKOUT]

-R

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Right, in Empire, we care because we have been invested with Vader and Luke throughout 2 movies, with a huge GA following and geek following, so when Vader says those words it's shocking and unexpected, IMO. Here is man you love to hate, revealing his true identity to the hero, and it makes you go back to the first Star Wars, considering everything that Ben Kenobi said about his father, his encounter with him in the Death Star, Luke's destiny if he joins the Dark Side, etc, etc....

Here, well, the audience will not know who Talia is. Even if she's heavily featured throughout the movie, the reveal will not be particularly shocking, or reach the Empire king of shock, mainly because the audience will not be invested in her character. In Begins it worked, because in the first act, Ducard is very present. But I doubt that a multi character movie like JL will have time to do something similar, when you have so much story and characters to cover. All IMHO, of course. The lenght of the film and other things will come into play as how well this will work. We won't know for sure until the movie comes out...

Well said and I agree with it all.

Can I just point out that the whole "Talia is behind it all" thing isn't new? It's been rumored for months.

And yes, it's anticlimactic as twists go, unless you spend a GREAT deal of time on her and Bruce's relationship during the film, which I don't think is likely.

Great point. It would work with that angle but I too doubt that will happen.

 

[Robin91939]

As far as Talia goes, I posted this a while back:

Since when did Talia become a stand alone villain? Or even a villain at all?

She wasn't even worthy of the mantle of Ra's Al Ghul when her father died, he passed it off to his other daughter, Nyssa.

Talia is strongest when she is used as a temptation to Batman. The temptation of a complete life, a family. That is what Ra's Al Ghul offers Bruce Wayne. He offers him a way to save the world and end his crusade. He offers him a father in himself, a wife in his daughter Talia, the perfect life...what was taken from him. That is the dramatic element of Talia, without Ra's Al Ghul, she's useless on her own. She is not a villain. She is a torn lover. She is devoted to her father and to her "beloved", Batman. That's her story. If Batman killed Ra's and she was out for revenge, that would be acceptable. If Ra's ordered her something evil, then that's believable, but she doesn't do these things on her own. So, without her father, Talia isn't evil....or really needed.

-R

 

[Dark Knight]

Say if i were you Dark knight i would edit my post to put some spoilers tag in it.

It has been rumoured that he/she is going to be in the film for months.....so this could be considered another rumour as well.

Supposed fake info has been put out there 2 or 3 times already.....

I'm just speculating that this person maybe in the film and didn't give out any specific details or anything like that.

 

[Maze]

yup thanks for the edit of your post

Spoiler

about the mistery villain.

( for Sanchez the guy is legit , after that none of my business . )

 

[Dark Knight]

yup thanks for the edit of your post

Spoiler

about the mistery villain.

( for Sanchez the guy is legit , after that none of my business . )

i hear ya....he had his source go the message boards at iesb earlier as well.....and he verified possible story and script details.

 

[The Guard]

Sanchez's "source" is so far behind the rumor mill it's not funny.

Since when did Talia become a stand alone villain? Or even a villain at all?

Talia was introduced before Ra's was, in the comics. She holds her own as a standalone character, and could easily be adapted into "the" villain. She was integral in bringing down the league during the TOWER OF BABEL arc in JLA.

She wasn't even worthy of the mantle of Ra's Al Ghul when her father died, he passed it off to his other daughter, Nyssa.

Yes, to make Talia's drive increase. Ra's played Nyssa and Talia off each other.

Talia is strongest when she is used as a temptation to Batman. The temptation of a complete life, a family. That is what Ra's Al Ghul offers Bruce Wayne. He offers him a way to save the world and end his crusade. He offers him a father in himself, a wife in his daughter Talia, the perfect life...what was taken from him. That is the dramatic element of Talia, without Ra's Al Ghul, she's useless on her own. She is not a villain. She is a torn lover. She is devoted to her father and to her "beloved", Batman. That's her story. If Batman killed Ra's and she was out for revenge, that would be acceptable. If Ra's ordered her something evil, then that's believable, but she doesn't do these things on her own. So, without her father, Talia isn't evil....or really needed.

I would argue that without the connection to Ra's Al Ghul and his methods, she's a bit useless. But that's not the case. She's a pretty solid standalone character in the DC Universe, and has been for years. Movie Talia will likely not neccessarily be "evil". She'll be "angry" and "vengeful".

 

[Dotten]

Epic twist? The general public knows who Batman and Superman are, but barely knows who the other league members are (american viewers are more aware). But how are they going to manage to make an epic twist if it is this totally unknown character (for everyone else but the fans)?

In Epic "Star Wars like" twist, I expect something involving the big names. Weird, this is a movie for a lot lot lot more people then the JL fans. The twist needs to be something that will shock the generall audience, even audience who barely knows who Batman is. Or else it can not be epic.

So I think it's more to the twist then that third villain.

 

[Wally West]

Yeah...Talia isn't exactly an "empire spoiler". Maybe a good plot twist depending on how they set up her relationship with Batman. But to say that's an Empire like twist is really stretching it.

 

[Aethea]

If Wonder Woman does sacrifice her life so Superman can live, as rumors indicate, I hope she returns as the goddess of truth in the sequel...and I hope they give her a great storyline! I love the idea of WW as a sacrificial martyr...

 

[Compi716]

My thoughts:

I think that Guard, if you read his posts around pages 2-3, are right. I think that:
[BLACKOUT]
-Diana will "break character" and do something un"heroic", like Kill Maxwell Lord.

Spoiler

-I think that Barry Allen is dead, and died during the films plot. I think it will be very, Remember the Titans, where they begin with the funeral, then as the film progresses, in flashback we'll meet Barry and then he'll die and the film will end with the funeral, where it began.

-We'll be introduced to Bart Allen or Wally West during the course of the plot and he'll take over for Barry after he dies.

-Maxwell Lord will be the "main" villain with his OMACs. Ra's Al Ghul will be pulling the strings.
By act three we'll learn of a bigger threat: I'm thinking Brainiac or Darkseid with the biggest possibility being Brainiac. I would love Darkseid, but when I hear "nanobots" and I think Brainiac immediately.

I think that Ra's offered Brainiac something in return for the technology to defeat the League and Brainiac will double cross Ra's Al Ghul.

The "Empire" twist...which I think is going to be the reveal of the "true" villain will have to be a big name. That would mean a Batman or Superman villain, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, The Flash, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman have goog villains, but their villain's just don't compete with Superman and Batman's in terms of audience recognition. The reveal will be either, Ra's Al Ghul, Lex Luthor, Darkseid, Brainiac or even the Joker (which I find the least likely).[/BLACKOUT]

-R

Your ideas sound very good. I rather like the idea of the inclusion of Brainiac. Only time will tell what is really going on with the JL movie.

 

[Ibn]

I'm just going to sit back and have faith.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

The story sounds great but I have one issue. Batman's reason for having Brother Eye. I hope the reason is more than just he doesn't trust the other members of the league. At least in the comics, he had a pretty decent reason, he was mindwiped at one time by the JLA. Something significant better have happened to Batman for him to distrust the other members so much in this movie.

 

[Dark Knight]

If Wonder Woman does sacrifice her life so Superman can live, as rumors indicate, I hope she returns as the goddess of truth in the sequel...and I hope they give her a great storyline! I love the idea of WW as a sacrificial martyr...

I agree. I think with her being the humanitarian of the league and her possibly sacrificing herself to save a league member or perhaps all of them would be very emotional and drama filled to see onscreen. It would bring alot to the overall story. She would of course comeback in the sequel somehow.

I'm completely fine with Talia being involved as the vengeful mystery baddie. She had an integral part in the Tower of Babel storyline.(A good story by the way) I have wanted her in Nolans universe as the next femme fatale ahead of Selina in the 3rd Bat film but I'm glad she will be used in this JL film from what it seems.

 

[Dark Knight]

Sanchez's "source" is so far behind the rumor mill it's not funny.



Talia was introduced before Ra's was, in the comics. She holds her own as a standalone character, and could easily be adapted into "the" villain. She was integral in bringing down the league during the TOWER OF BABEL arc in JLA.



Yes, to make Talia's drive increase. Ra's played Nyssa and Talia off each other.



I would argue that without the connection to Ra's Al Ghul and his methods, she's a bit useless. But that's not the case. She's a pretty solid standalone character in the DC Universe, and has been for years. Movie Talia will likely not neccessarily be "evil". She'll be "angry" and "vengeful".

Agreed with everything you just said.

However how sure are you that Sanchez's guy is so far behind the 8 ball on this?