More plot details?

[Dragon]

LOL! Yall talk about Venom being a 15 minute character, well Gwen gets less than that. She is to insignificant to play a major part in the battle royale. She an introduction.

Talk about assumptions. How do you know how much screentime Gwen gets? So what if it's an introduction. She's an important character, likely to take over as Peter's love interest in subsequetn films. They'd naturally have her in important scenes.

So why are talking like you know, as if you've seen the movie.

I'm going based on reliable reports. The one who's post started this thread isn't the first to say Gwen is involved in the end battle.

OMG! You are full of assumptions. Where do you see Eddie so pist at Gwen to want to drop her off a crane, 30 stories high, into a pile of pipes, and killing her. Where? We don't even see Eddie being angry, more of him being an a$$. He is not that angry to want to murder a girl he love and we don't know if she is even in that battle royale scene, which I sure thinks she not.

Where do you see him NOT? The fact is we've seen hardly anything official regarding Eddie. But there have been reports from several sources that have proven reliable that say he's the angry manipulative type.

And again- talk about ASSUMPTIONS. Who told you Eddie was in love with Gwen in the first place? Who told you the depths of his love for her? And you're saying there's never been films where a VILLAIN loves a woman but is willing to kill her if she doesn't give in to him? In Batman the Joker is lusting after Vicki Vale throughout the film, but he's more than willing to let her die at the end of the film. In Batman Returns, Penguin tries to kill Catwoman when she rejects him. In X3 Magneto betrays Mystique. Villains, psychopaths rarely know what real love is. And they're feelings can easily go from love to hate.

His job seems to be the reason why he dislike Peter. Every scene or set photos we've seen to this point of Eddie Brock, has had something to do with Peter and Spiderman... very very little of Gwen.

So what? We've seen almost no photos from this film- at least that clearly depict the story. Because we haven't seen it yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

That still has nothing to do with Eddie kidnapping Gwen, which I say DOES NOT HAPPEN.

It has EVERYTHING to do with why he'd kidnap Gwen. It's his MOTIVE.

 

[Dragon]

I'm sorta with Doc Ock on this one...

Yeah, Raimi will try to flesh out Eddie some more, but I think he can still do that AND have Brock put all his anger on Peter. The man clearly harbors nasty feelings towards Peter by the time of the church scene ("Please, god, kill Peter, etc"). That's a pretty extreme prayer. And this is probably after Peter's been flirting with Gwen under the influence of the suit (since at this point Peter is ripping it off in the rafters) - so he's already targeting Peter (unless there's a "PS - kill Gwen too" at the end of his plea).

I can see this.

Or maybe it's a "you take my girlfriend away, I'll take yours" sorta deal.

We're not talking about a rational man who has a reason for hating someone. Let's remember that Eddie's reasons for hating Peter are not reasonable. What he hates Peter for is actually Eddie's own fault. He chose to doctor photos of Spider-Man- implicating someone innocent in crimes.

So- someone like him his angry, insecure, fearful. He does things that aren't rational. And such a person, after being rejected by a woman will very easily be willing to harm or punish her. And then factoring in the symbiote multiplying his anger.

And if you need a parallel from the film- note that Peter under the influence of the symbiote hits MJ.

 

[Josh Bond]

Talk about assumptions. How do you know how much screentime Gwen gets? So what if it's an introduction. She's an important character, likely to take over as Peter's love interest in subsequetn films. They'd naturally have her in important scenes.



I'm going based on reliable reports. The one who's post started this thread isn't the first to say Gwen is involved in the end battle.



Where do you see him NOT? The fact is we've seen hardly anything official regarding Eddie. But there have been reports from several sources that have proven reliable that say he's the angry manipulative type.

And again- talk about ASSUMPTIONS. Who told you Eddie was in love with Gwen in the first place? Who told you the depths of his love for her? And you're saying there's never been films where a VILLAIN loves a woman but is willing to kill her if she doesn't give in to him? In Batman the Joker is lusting after Vicki Vale throughout the film, but he's more than willing to let her die at the end of the film. In Batman Returns, Penguin tries to kill Catwoman when she rejects him. In X3 Magneto betrays Mystique. Villains, psychopaths rarely know what real love is. And they're feelings can easily go from love to hate.



So what? We've seen almost no photos from this film- at least that clearly depict the story. Because we haven't seen it yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.



It has EVERYTHING to do with why he'd kidnap Gwen. It's his MOTIVE.

He has a point rated-X.

 

[X-Rated]

I really don't think Harry would attack May, much less kill her. I sincerely hope this is all wrong. It sounds as if Alvin just took Eddie's stuff from the comics, rather than a good rewrite. -Morzan

I don't think he is saying, Harry will attack Aunt May or kill her. He said that Harry indirectly kills her. That sound like it was an accident. He said that Harry felt bad about Aunt May's death and pleaded to Pete it was an accident. So I don't think he is saying Harry is out to attack and kill Aunt May.

I agree - that seems out of character for Harry.

I suppose 'indirect' could be like how he was indirectly responsible for DocOck snatching up MJ in SM2...but if that's the case, it hardly parallels the nature of Norman's death, so that seems like a stretch.

And the logic of it all sounds terrible:

Harry is indirectly responsible for the death of Aunt May, which is the reason why Peter goes over Harry’s house and kicks his arse and why later, Peter is still has a difficult time asking Harry for help, after the kidnapping of MJ, by Venom. Harry does feels bad about Aunt Mays death. However while pleading to Peter that it was accidental, in a sudden revelation, he realizes now that Peter was telling him the truth about Norman’s death and agrees to help save MJ. Harry’s recognition that it is not in Peter’s nature intentionally to harm anyone, begin his own healing from his father’s insatiable visions.

- I liked it better when we had Pete attacking Harry because the black suit was making him overreact. This makes it sound justified.

He says Harry kills Aunt May accidently.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

We're not talking about a rational man who has a reason for hating someone. Let's remember that Eddie's reasons for hating Peter are not reasonable. What he hates Peter for is actually Eddie's own fault. He chose to doctor photos of Spider-Man- implicating someone innocent in crimes.

So- someone like him his angry, insecure, fearful. He does things that aren't rational. And such a person, after being rejected by a woman will very easily be willing to harm or punish her. And then factoring in the symbiote multiplying his anger.

And if you need a parallel from the film- note that Peter under the influence of the symbiote hits MJ.

brock hates peter because of making fake photos of spidey robbing a place so then he gets angry at peter because of losing his job and taking Gwen away from him. I don't think Gwen is in the final battle at all but I do think brock is angry with Gwen for what he feels of betrayal.

 

[TheReturnOfP]

Hey, I just thought of something...just read this post, and if some people don't like it, just realize it's only just a thought from me...you know how Raimi has created two endings for Sandman? Either he lives, or dies from

Spoiler

a mix of electricity cables and I think water

and I think he created two endings for Venom too, whether he lives or not...so I just thought, perhaps Sam Raimi created two different endings for most of the characters (not for Peter Parker, J. Jonah Jameson, John Jameson, Dr. Connors and what not)...but, yah, for Harry Osborn, MJ, Gwen Stacy, Aunt May, Sandman, Venom and for EVEN Sandman's daughter...maybe after he created both endings for these characters, these "rumors" finally came out thru the net...could this be possible? Seeing how it seems everyone and their mother has some so-called "spoilers" to tell about this movie...maybe that's why it's been three years after Spider-Man 2, so Raimi could write off these two different endings for these characters and soon Raimi's decisions will be shown on May 4th. Sounds good or no?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Hey, I just thought of something...just read this post, and if some people don't like it, just realize it's only just a thought from me...you know how Raimi has created two endings for Sandman? Either he lives, or dies from

Spoiler

a mix of electricity cables and I think water

and I think he created two endings for Venom too, whether he lives or not...so I just thought, perhaps Sam Raimi created two different endings for most of the characters (not for Peter Parker, J. Jonah Jameson, John Jameson, Dr. Connors and what not)...but, yah, for Harry Osborn, MJ, Gwen Stacy, Aunt May, Sandman, Venom and for EVEN Sandman's daughter...maybe after he created both endings for these characters, these "rumors" finally came out thru the net...could this be possible? Seeing how it seems everyone and their mother has some so-called "spoilers" to tell about this movie...maybe that's why it's been three years after Spider-Man 2, so Raimi could write off these two different endings for these characters and soon Raimi's decisions will be shown on May 4th. Sounds good or no?

I think there should be only one ending. having sandman live is what sandmans fate should be. venom I'm not sure if he is going to live or die, he will probably die though. spudey3 doesn't take place three years after spidey2, it takes place about 6 to 7 months after spidey2. there should be only one ending to each of the characters, mj should live, Gwen should live, harry should die, aunt may is probably going to die. sandmans daughter dieing would be way to sad for a spidey movie so that can't happen.

 

[TheReturnOfP]

I think there should be only one ending. having sandman live is what sandmans fate should be. venom I'm not sure if he is going to live or die, he will probably die though. spudey3 doesn't take place three years after spidey2, it takes place about 6 to 7 months after spidey2. there should be only one ending to each of the characters, mj should live, Gwen should live, harry should die, aunt may is probably going to die. sandmans daughter dieing would be way to sad for a spidey movie so that can't happen.

Der, but in REAL LIFE this move is three years after...hence, why it would take so long instead of two years, because I think Sam Raimi created different endings for some characters...you have that opinion, but yet there are a lot of spoilers to differ. I'm not stupid, I know that Spider-Man 3 is like half a year after the events of S-M 2.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Der, but in REAL LIFE this move is three years after...hence, why it would take so long instead of two years, because I think Sam Raimi created different endings for some characters...you have that opinion, but yet there are a lot of spoilers to differ. I'm not stupid, I know that Spider-Man 3 is like half a year after the events of S-M 2.

I know your not stupid and I wasn't saying you were.

 

[Farren]

We're not talking about a rational man who has a reason for hating someone. Let's remember that Eddie's reasons for hating Peter are not reasonable. What he hates Peter for is actually Eddie's own fault. He chose to doctor photos of Spider-Man- implicating someone innocent in crimes.

I'm in agreement. That's what I was trying to say: Eddie irrationally pins all the blame on Peter - the church scene is proof of how much. What I was trying to say is that I think Eddie could very likely therefore put any problems with Gwen on Peter as well. It would fit the pattern of his thinking to blame Peter for Gwen.

Could he snatch up Gwen and direct his anger at her too? Sure - I think that is a possibility, but based on the older info (and not these new reports) that isn't what happens, and the Q and A and plot summary have so far been reliable. So far. I'm really very open, I just don't trust the two reports posted here - in my gut.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm in agreement. That's what I was trying to say: Eddie irrationally pins all the blame on Peter - the church scene is proof of how much. What I was trying to say is that I think Eddie could very likely therefore put any problems with Gwen on Peter as well. It would fit the pattern of his thinking to blame Peter for Gwen.

Could he snatch up Gwen and direct his anger at her too? Sure - I think that is a possibility, but based on the older info (and not these new reports) that isn't what happens, and the Q and A and plot summary have so far been reliable. So far. I'm really very open, I just don't trust the two reports posted here - in my gut.

one of the only things I don't beleive about this report is that gwen is in the final battle. wouldn't we have seen gwen in the final battle in the theatrical trailer if she was in it? mj was in the theatrical trailer in the final battle.

 

[lordofthenerds]

I'm in agreement. That's what I was trying to say: Eddie irrationally pins all the blame on Peter - the church scene is proof of how much. What I was trying to say is that I think Eddie could very likely therefore put any problems with Gwen on Peter as well. It would fit the pattern of his thinking to blame Peter for Gwen.

Could he snatch up Gwen and direct his anger at her too? Sure - I think that is a possibility, but based on the older info (and not these new reports) that isn't what happens, and the Q and A and plot summary have so far been reliable. So far. I'm really very open, I just don't trust the two reports posted here - in my gut.

Actually the script summary did say that Gwen is kidnapped and brought to the construction site. But I don't really believe these FilmIck reports either, the fact that they said Aunt May will die is the give away that they're fake.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Actually the script summary did say that Gwen is kidnapped and brought to the construction site. But I don't really believe these FilmIck reports either, the fact that they said Aunt May will die is the give away that they're fake.

yeah, not only that but you were the one who started the rumor about aunt may dieing lordofthenerds and it was proven wrong that she dies.

 

[lordofthenerds]

yeah, not only that but you were the one who started the rumor about aunt may dieing lordofthenerds and it was proven wrong that she dies.

Yes spidermanhero, I think I'm aware of that.

 

[Farren]

Actually the script summary did say that Gwen is kidnapped and brought to the construction site. But I don't really believe these FilmIck reports either, the fact that they said Aunt May will die is the give away that they're fake.

Whoop, my bad on that - I only read it once...if anyone still has a copy....

 

[Josh Bond]

Actually the script summary did say that Gwen is kidnapped and brought to the construction site. But I don't really believe these FilmIck reports either, the fact that they said Aunt May will die is the give away that they're fake.

yeah, i'm not believing these FilmIck reports either. They're still interesting to read though.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

yeah, i'm not believing these FilmIck reports either. They're still interesting to read though.

gwen being in the final battle is the main thing I don't beleive because it just doesn't make sense.

 

[Visionary]

The one thing I do like about the various ASSUMPTIONS/SPECULATIONS, is that we all can't be right, neither can these conflicting summaries, it's going to be interesting to find out who was wrong and who was right.

 

[FaT_tONle]

THey gotto to kill of a woman eventually... easy way out would be Aunt May... I really wouln't mind if it was MJ as long as it was done right... Harry accidentally killing Aunt May works... but it doesn't fit the plot... I am guessing Venom kills Aunt May... if Aunt May dies at all... its kinda weird both Gwen and MJ get kidnapped... how many times will they do the MJ kidnapped thing... twice already... its getting out of hand...

 

[The Caped Knight]

THey gotto to kill of a woman eventually... easy way out would be Aunt May... I really wouln't mind if it was MJ as long as it was done right... Harry accidentally killing Aunt May works... but it doesn't fit the plot... I am guessing Venom kills Aunt May... if Aunt May dies at all... its kinda weird both Gwen and MJ get kidnapped... how many times will they do the MJ kidnapped thing... twice already... its getting out of hand...

MJ is spidey's true love (and in the comics his wife) theirfore she always get's kidnapped by the super villians [just like Superman's wife Lois Lane]

 

[Rated-X]

I'm in agreement. That's what I was trying to say: Eddie irrationally pins all the blame on Peter - the church scene is proof of how much. What I was trying to say is that I think Eddie could very likely therefore put any problems with Gwen on Peter as well. It would fit the pattern of his thinking to blame Peter for Gwen.

Could he snatch up Gwen and direct his anger at her too? Sure - I think that is a possibility, but based on the older info (and not these new reports) that isn't what happens, and the Q and A and plot summary have so far been reliable. So far. I'm really very open, I just don't trust the two reports posted here - in my gut.

I believe the Filmick blog says that both MJ and Gwen gets kidnapped at the end. I don't remember the other one saying that. I think the other one disprove that happening, doesn't it.

 

[Josh Bond]

gwen being in the final battle is the main thing I don't beleive because it just doesn't make sense.

I agree. It has been comfirmed that Gwen only gets a very small part in the movie, we havn't seen anything of Gwen being kidnapped in the trailers, and why would Venom kidnap his love? Obviously he's a daranged phycopath, but you'd still think that he would blame peter for everything.

 

[FaT_tONle]

who kidnaps Gwen anyway... Brock or Sandman... why would they have two girls get kidnapped... doesn't make sense...

 

[Dragon]

Actually the script summary did say that Gwen is kidnapped and brought to the construction site. But I don't really believe these FilmIck reports either, the fact that they said Aunt May will die is the give away that they're fake.

The Q & A- which has also been proven right (Exact description of Harry's costume for example) said May dies. I don't like the idea. It sounds pointless, but it's there.

 

[GoldGoblin]

The Q & A- which has also been proven right (Exact description of Harry's costume for example) said May dies. I don't like the idea. It sounds pointless, but it's there.

^
Nope other web sites added a few things to the Q&A.

This is what I asked about the deaths:
Q.Who dies in this movie?
A.Still undetermined.Though Harry will bite it.

She could still die,but it wasn't mentioned in the Q&A.