More plot details?

[pedro parkero]

Spidey does the upside-down kiss with Gwen? WTF?

Well, at least there is still that tiny, minuscule possibility that Brock may live. Maybe he gets captured by the cops and gets deranged and gets transferred to an asylum...

 

[Batspider77]

Do you Guys really think Raimi is dumb enough to kill off Brock? He knows that he would be killed by the Fanboys for that one....i doupt this will happen.

 

[Venom 1988]

Do you Guys really think Raimi is dumb enough to kill off Brock? He knows that he would be killed by the Fanboys for that one....i doupt this will happen.

Another person in denial.

 

[spideyman101]

very interesting. sounds like gwen will be in the final battle after all, I think thats cool though. a classic spidey comic book moment of gwen getting dropped from the top of the building. the scene in the leaked trailer where spidey is falling and gwen is falling and spidey is trying to catch her is in fact true.

I pretty much already knew Gwen would be in the final battle because in that leaked trailer you see her hanging onto a wobbly construction crane.

you don't normally see construction cranes outside of an aprtment window. :P

 

[Naite22]

Do you Guys really think Raimi is dumb enough to kill off Brock? He knows that he would be killed by the Fanboys for that one....i doupt this will happen.

I doubt this just as much as I have doubted Flint Marko beeing Ben's real killer!!!!!

 

[Ghostrider84]

LOL!!!!!! so easy to do this..... first the fake x-men review on AICN... and now this.. it's even on JoBlo.com.... so easy to email "fake" tidbits...

sukers!!!

 

[hitmanyr2k]

I don't really like the whole idea of "Spider-Man Day", sounds like something that should be done for Superman not Spider-Man. I prefer Spider-Man to always be underappreciated by the city.

It's kind of stupid to assume Spider-man would be underappreciated by the city when he's doing public exploits like saving kids in a cable car, saving Aunt May from falling to her death, saving a run-away train from plummeting into the city, etc. Do you guys really think this stuff is going to go unnoticed and unreported by cops, media, and the regular joes in the city? There are going to be plenty of people out there that appreciate him.

 

[Visionary]

It's kind of stupid to assume Spider-man would be underappreciated by the city when he's doing public exploits like saving kids in a cable car, saving Aunt May from falling to her death, saving a run-away train from plummeting into the city, etc. Do you guys really think this stuff is going to go unnoticed and unreported by cops, media, and the regular joes in the city? There are going to be plenty of people out there that appreciate him.

My word, this is the most brilliant post of the year.

I'd also say the same of the comics, I still don't understand why JJJ hate Spider-Man. If JJJ saw Spider-Man saving all those people during the train scene, he would twist it and make it his fault, just to sell newspapers.

 

[Odametal]

My word, this is the most brilliant post of the year.

I'd also say the same of the comics, I still don't understand why JJJ's hate Spider-Man. If JJJ saw Spider-Man saving all those people during the train scene, he would twist it and make it his fault, just to sell newspapers.

On the comics he maybe envies Spider-man. On tha Animated Series they give a reason why: Someone that JJJ loves is hurt or killed, I don't recall, by a man with a mask, so to this point on, JJJ hates guys that uses masks.
Its a little dumb, but hey, its a reason...

 

[Villain]

Sorry to be the one to inform you of the error in the author’s logic, but to put it politely, this is BS. The events does not remotely take place to anything similar to what that article is saying.


**Spoiler Warning **



First, there is no “Love Triangle” between Peter, MJ, and Gwen. It is more of a “Love Triangle” between Peter, MJ, and Harry. Gwen is only infatuated we Spiderman, and use her prowess flirtatious ability towards Peter in hopes to meet and get close to Spiderman. There is no upside/down kiss with Gwen. No one knows that happened except for the two involved. Peter is a lot more confident towards the ladies, but never once does he necessarily flirts with them… Gwen, Betty, Ursula, and the pretty & party girls. He is just a little more suave with the ladies because of the influences of the Alien Symbiote. Problems develop between Peter and Harry over MJ because of her insecurities with Peter, coupled with Harry’s own sense of loneliness and secretly longing for her.


Second, Harry does not die. He is seriously hurt and lie unconscious. The only deaths in this film is the death of Aunt May and Sandman’s daughter.

Let me explain. The story follows the iniquities(anger, hatred, and revenge) of three men, Peter, Harry, and Eddie. This is what everyone is missing in the tagline, “How long can a man face the darkness within”. That tagline really applies to all three men and not just Peter. All three men own iniquities are thrust to the forefront because of the loss or near loss of father figures that they conveniently blame someone else for. Which of course is the lesson that Peter learns, that his own selfishness and iniquity led to the events of Uncle Ben death. He will finally get over it.


Of course in Peter’s case, his anger and hatred is geared towards Flint Marko aka Sandman, for he thinks is the death of his father figure, Uncle Ben; in which he place blame and seek revenge against. Harry face a similar path; but of course, his anger & hatred is directed at Peter for the death of Norman Osborn; which really more involved jealousy, because he thinks his father’s love was stolen by Peter, as well as MJ‘s love.


Eddie and Gwen was once involved in a relationship dating back to the first film when Eddie was first hired by the Bugle(Eddie been on it for weeks). Eddie is rather close to Gwen parents and looks to George as a father figure. Gwen terminates her relationship with Eddie, because she feels his ambitions is getting in the way of their relationship; so he is trying to win her back throughout the film. Capt. Stacy is accidentally and seriously hurt by Sandman; but ironically, Eddie blames Spiderman for his injuries. Eddie is already blaming Peter for what he thinks is Gwen’s infatuation with him, for exposing Eddie doctoring photos of Spiderman, loss of his career, and being label a fraud by all the press in New York City. Characteristically, this the reason he end up in church asking God “to kill Peter Parker”. Once he is possessed by the Alien Symbiote and learns that Peter Parker is actually Spiderman, his anger and hatred begin to quickly manifests into the beast Venom.


Harry is indirectly responsible for the death of Aunt May, which is the reason why Peter goes over Harry’s house and kicks his arse and why later, Peter is still has a difficult time asking Harry for help, after the kidnapping of MJ, by Venom. Harry does feels bad about Aunt Mays death. However while pleading to Peter that it was accidental, in a sudden revelation, he realizes now that Peter was telling him the truth about Norman’s death and agrees to help save MJ. Harry’s recognition that it is not in Peter’s nature intentionally to harm anyone, begin his own healing from his father’s insatiable visions.


Here is a little nugget of a piece of the battle at the end. Harry throws a Sonic Pumpkin Bomb at Venom, in which Venom catches and throw back at Harry. Spiderman in an attempt to save Harry, webs the bomb and toss it away from innocent bystanders. Incidentally, it lands and explodes right where Flint’s daughter come running up calling for her father. Sandman goes after Spiderman with a huge sand mallet, bigger than before. Just as he is about to kill Spiderman, Harry pushes Spiderman away, and take the brute force of it and is knocked completely unconscious.


I’m not going to get into the remaining details of the final battle or surprising cliffhangers at the end. Take it for what it’s worth.

 

[Visionary]

On the comics he maybe envies Spider-man. On tha Animated Series they give a reason why: Someone that JJJ loves is hurt or killed, I don't recall, by a man with a mask, so to this point on, JJJ hates guys that uses masks.
Its a little dumb, but hey, its a reason...

The cartoon gave a great reason, the comics not so much, the envy motif hold no water with me.

 

[Venom 1988]

^^^^
Except a lot of that is BS and doesnt match up with the Q&A or script summary

EDIT- this is directed to Villian's post

 

[Odametal]

The cartoon gave a great reason, the comics not so much, the envy motif hold no water with me.

I would'nt call a great reason, but is a reason.

 

[Visionary]

Sandman's daughter, she's probably cute as a button, can they really kill her...that would piss my Sandy off?

 

[Odametal]

^-Maybe.

 

[Visionary]

I would'nt call a great reason, but is a reason.

It actually is a great reason, and it explains why JJJ hate those who hide behind a mask.

A young JJJ after a scoop, gets a call from a mob boss telling him to lay off the story and not print it. As a result of him not listening, someone in a mask aiming to kill him, shoots and kills his girlfriend/wife (I forget which one) instead, while they're both walking together down the street--and this sets off his hate for mask men, and those who hide behind them.

To me, that's GREAT. Better than the comics and movie's non-reason as to why he hates Spidey.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

It's kind of stupid to assume Spider-man would be underappreciated by the city when he's doing public exploits like saving kids in a cable car, saving Aunt May from falling to her death, saving a run-away train from plummeting into the city, etc. Do you guys really think this stuff is going to go unnoticed and unreported by cops, media, and the regular joes in the city? There are going to be plenty of people out there that appreciate him.

I never said this stuff would go unnoticed or unreported. Of course it would be reported, still doesn't mean he can't be underappreciated. And I stress underappreciated because you make it sound like I expect the city to hate him. There's a difference. "Spider-Man Day" just seems a bit much for me. Also, there is the possibility that there are people not too thrilled with him considering that none of these weirdos causing mayhem showed up until Spider-Man showed up.

 

[Cmill216]

Sorry to be the one to inform you of the error in the author’s logic, but to put it politely, this is BS. The events does not remotely take place to anything similar to what that article is saying.


**Spoiler Warning **

Where the heck did this come from??

Although, I must say, some of it does sound rather intriguing (i.e. good).

 

[Odametal]

It actually is a great reason, and it explains why JJJ hate those who hide behind a mask.

A young JJJ after a scoop, gets a call from a mob boss telling him to lay off the story, as a result someone in a mask kills his girlfriend/wife (I forget which one) while they're walking together--and sets off his hate for mask men.

To me, that's GREAT. Better than the comics and movie's non-reason as to why he hates Spidey.

In the comics is just that, but in the movies they could use this idea:
JJJ hates Spider-Man because everyone thinks he's the hero, and not his son the astronaut.

 

[Visionary]

That would be pretty weak, because then JJJ would be using the Daily Bugle for his on selfish exploits to sell newpapers, and not good journalism. Actually, that's pretty much what he does in the comics/movies.

 

[Odametal]

That would be pretty weak, because then JJJ would be using the Daily Bugle for his on selfish exploits to sell newpapers, and not good journalism. Actually, that's pretty much what he does in the comics/movies.

But who said that JJJ was a good journalist after all?
The guy thrashes a guy who put his ass on the line for the city and is call a villain. Is that good journalism?

 

[Visionary]

Well, if he's a crap ass journalist, and the Daily Bugle is a gossip-like-tabloid newspaper, then carry on...because then it makes sense.

 

[Dragon]

The whole JJJ hates Spidey cause he wears a mask makes no sense. Why would simply wearing a mask make Jameson blind to everytime Spidey has done good, including saving JJJ and his son numerous times? Why wouldn't he be after every costumed character?

It's more plausible from the envy angle.

Jameson is a man who has great power and believes that he's doing something for the good for the people of New York and even the world. He even sires a hero astronaut. Then along comes Spider-Man, who accomplishes even more than Jameson and his son (Including over-shadowing John Jr. by saving his life). And as JJJ says in ASM #10, Spidey does it for no reward, unlike JJJ who's made a fortune. So naturally he'd feel belittled by Spider-Man and want to break him.

And it isn't as though JJJ is doing this out of total malice. In order to save his own pride, he's actually deluded himself into believing that Spidey does indeed have some hidden agenda, and its up to him to expose Spidey.

 

[ges681]

Sorry to be the one to inform you of the error in the author’s logic, but to put it politely, this is BS. The events does not remotely take place to anything similar to what that article is saying.


**Spoiler Warning **
I’m not going to get into the remaining details of the final battle or surprising cliffhangers at the end. Take it for what it’s worth.

where did you get all this from. it is very interesting and different from what others have been saying the past months

 

[Visionary]

Then what the hell does that make The Daily Bugle, that newpaper firm is a joke, if that's the case?