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[chaseter]

I don't think Sandman's daughter will die. First off, that is just cruel, even for a Spidey movie. And secondly, Sandman is a sympathetic villian. I don't think his demise would be over his daughter's death. If that spoiler is true, he would try to kill Venom and Venom would defend hisself. One has to win...Sandman or Venom. If Sandman nor Venom die...that doesn't make sense. Lastly, I don't want to see Venom defeated by Sandman, I want Spider-Man to defeat him. I think that little supposed spoiler has flaws.

 

[Dragon]

I don't even know why people are accepting this new guy's take without any qualifying at all. nothing he's saying is unique. The first script summary from last winter, the Q & A and the follow-up last summer mentioned points he brought up, with the exception of Sandman's daughter's death. But Sandy's daughter dying would serve no purpose in the film. other than to make the moment sad. Whereas Harry dying brings the story full circle.

 

[Rated-X]

If any of these are dealt with, I bet drug use is a metaphor for Peter's interaction with the symbiote ; "Feels good . . . you could lose yourself to it . . .". We have seen Harry boozing it up in the last film quite frequently, and the brutality of Venom or how symbiote Spider-man may cross the line in using force I could see too. I'd like to see the source on this "darker stuff" also though.

I am aware of the metaphor.

When they said it would be darker they meant Peter's struggle with his dark side. And the Taboo thing was how they related Peter's connection to the symbiote to be like drug-addiction. That doesn't relate to killing of a child.

I can't believe I'm the only one who remember that interview. He wasn't talking about metephors, he was talking about the seriousness of those issues. H.ell, it was shortly after the comic-con. I'll try to find the link.
Anyway, I wasn't trying to relate it to killing a child. I was relating it to the darkness of it. I just said I see how Sandman's daughter is plausible, but was not sure I believe it.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't think Sandman's daughter will die. First off, that is just cruel, even for a Spidey movie. And secondly, Sandman is a sympathetic villian. I don't think his demise would be over his daughter's death. If that spoiler is true, he would try to kill Venom and Venom would defend hisself. One has to win...Sandman or Venom. If Sandman nor Venom die...that doesn't make sense. Lastly, I don't want to see Venom defeated by Sandman, I want Spider-Man to defeat him. I think that little supposed spoiler has flaws.

exactly my thoughts, the villian that i think will survive is sandman. one of the reasons why I think that is he's a sympathetic villian, not only that but it would be very sad to see the reaction of sandmans daughter if she says her dad die right in front of her eyes.

 

[X-Rated]

what the hell are yall talking about? where did it say sandman's little get killed? I read the whole thing, I didnt see that anywhere.

 

[X-Rated]

Sorry to be the one to inform you of the error in the author’s logic, but to put it politely, this is BS. The events does not remotely take place to anything similar to what that article is saying.


**Spoiler Warning **



First, there is no “Love Triangle” between Peter, MJ, and Gwen. It is more of a “Love Triangle” between Peter, MJ, and Harry. Gwen is only infatuated we Spiderman, and use her prowess flirtatious ability towards Peter in hopes to meet and get close to Spiderman. There is no upside/down kiss with Gwen. No one knows that happened except for the two involved. Peter is a lot more confident towards the ladies, but never once does he necessarily flirts with them… Gwen, Betty, Ursula, and the pretty & party girls. He is just a little more suave with the ladies because of the influences of the Alien Symbiote. Problems develop between Peter and Harry over MJ because of her insecurities with Peter, coupled with Harry’s own sense of loneliness and secretly longing for her.


Second, Harry does not die. He is seriously hurt and lie unconscious. The only deaths in this film is the death of Aunt May and Sandman’s daughter.

Let me explain. The story follows the iniquities(anger, hatred, and revenge) of three men, Peter, Harry, and Eddie. This is what everyone is missing in the tagline, “How long can a man face the darkness within”. That tagline really applies to all three men and not just Peter. All three men own iniquities are thrust to the forefront because of the loss or near loss of father figures that they conveniently blame someone else for. Which of course is the lesson that Peter learns, that his own selfishness and iniquity led to the events of Uncle Ben death. He will finally get over it.


Of course in Peter’s case, his anger and hatred is geared towards Flint Marko aka Sandman, for he thinks is the death of his father figure, Uncle Ben; in which he place blame and seek revenge against. Harry face a similar path; but of course, his anger & hatred is directed at Peter for the death of Norman Osborn; which really more involved jealousy, because he thinks his father’s love was stolen by Peter, as well as MJ‘s love.


Eddie and Gwen was once involved in a relationship dating back to the first film when Eddie was first hired by the Bugle(Eddie been on it for weeks). Eddie is rather close to Gwen parents and looks to George as a father figure. Gwen terminates her relationship with Eddie, because she feels his ambitions is getting in the way of their relationship; so he is trying to win her back throughout the film. Capt. Stacy is accidentally and seriously hurt by Sandman; but ironically, Eddie blames Spiderman for his injuries. Eddie is already blaming Peter for what he thinks is Gwen’s infatuation with him, for exposing Eddie doctoring photos of Spiderman, loss of his career, and being label a fraud by all the press in New York City. Characteristically, this the reason he end up in church asking God “to kill Peter Parker”. Once he is possessed by the Alien Symbiote and learns that Peter Parker is actually Spiderman, his anger and hatred begin to quickly manifests into the beast Venom.


Harry is indirectly responsible for the death of Aunt May, which is the reason why Peter goes over Harry’s house and kicks his arse and why later, Peter is still has a difficult time asking Harry for help, after the kidnapping of MJ, by Venom. Harry does feels bad about Aunt Mays death. However while pleading to Peter that it was accidental, in a sudden revelation, he realizes now that Peter was telling him the truth about Norman’s death and agrees to help save MJ. Harry’s recognition that it is not in Peter’s nature intentionally to harm anyone, begin his own healing from his father’s insatiable visions.


Here is a little nugget of a piece of the battle at the end. Harry throws a Sonic Pumpkin Bomb at Venom, in which Venom catches and throw back at Harry. Spiderman in an attempt to save Harry, webs the bomb and toss it away from innocent bystanders. Incidentally, it lands and explodes right where Flint’s daughter come running up calling for her father. Sandman goes after Spiderman with a huge sand mallet, bigger than before. Just as he is about to kill Spiderman, Harry pushes Spiderman away, and take the brute force of it and is knocked completely unconscious.


I’m not going to get into the remaining details of the final battle or surprising cliffhangers at the end. Take it for what it’s worth.

OK, I see, pretty interesting. Actually sounds better than the first one by filmick blog, but I doubt its true.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Sorry to be the one to inform you of the error in the author’s logic, but to put it politely, this is BS. The events does not remotely take place to anything similar to what that article is saying.


**Spoiler Warning **



First, there is no “Love Triangle” between Peter, MJ, and Gwen. It is more of a “Love Triangle” between Peter, MJ, and Harry. Gwen is only infatuated we Spiderman, and use her prowess flirtatious ability towards Peter in hopes to meet and get close to Spiderman. There is no upside/down kiss with Gwen. No one knows that happened except for the two involved. Peter is a lot more confident towards the ladies, but never once does he necessarily flirts with them… Gwen, Betty, Ursula, and the pretty & party girls. He is just a little more suave with the ladies because of the influences of the Alien Symbiote. Problems develop between Peter and Harry over MJ because of her insecurities with Peter, coupled with Harry’s own sense of loneliness and secretly longing for her.


Second, Harry does not die. He is seriously hurt and lie unconscious. The only deaths in this film is the death of Aunt May and Sandman’s daughter.

Let me explain. The story follows the iniquities(anger, hatred, and revenge) of three men, Peter, Harry, and Eddie. This is what everyone is missing in the tagline, “How long can a man face the darkness within”. That tagline really applies to all three men and not just Peter. All three men own iniquities are thrust to the forefront because of the loss or near loss of father figures that they conveniently blame someone else for. Which of course is the lesson that Peter learns, that his own selfishness and iniquity led to the events of Uncle Ben death. He will finally get over it.


Of course in Peter’s case, his anger and hatred is geared towards Flint Marko aka Sandman, for he thinks is the death of his father figure, Uncle Ben; in which he place blame and seek revenge against. Harry face a similar path; but of course, his anger & hatred is directed at Peter for the death of Norman Osborn; which really more involved jealousy, because he thinks his father’s love was stolen by Peter, as well as MJ‘s love.


Eddie and Gwen was once involved in a relationship dating back to the first film when Eddie was first hired by the Bugle(Eddie been on it for weeks). Eddie is rather close to Gwen parents and looks to George as a father figure. Gwen terminates her relationship with Eddie, because she feels his ambitions is getting in the way of their relationship; so he is trying to win her back throughout the film. Capt. Stacy is accidentally and seriously hurt by Sandman; but ironically, Eddie blames Spiderman for his injuries. Eddie is already blaming Peter for what he thinks is Gwen’s infatuation with him, for exposing Eddie doctoring photos of Spiderman, loss of his career, and being label a fraud by all the press in New York City. Characteristically, this the reason he end up in church asking God “to kill Peter Parker”. Once he is possessed by the Alien Symbiote and learns that Peter Parker is actually Spiderman, his anger and hatred begin to quickly manifests into the beast Venom.


Harry is indirectly responsible for the death of Aunt May, which is the reason why Peter goes over Harry’s house and kicks his arse and why later, Peter is still has a difficult time asking Harry for help, after the kidnapping of MJ, by Venom. Harry does feels bad about Aunt Mays death. However while pleading to Peter that it was accidental, in a sudden revelation, he realizes now that Peter was telling him the truth about Norman’s death and agrees to help save MJ. Harry’s recognition that it is not in Peter’s nature intentionally to harm anyone, begin his own healing from his father’s insatiable visions.


Here is a little nugget of a piece of the battle at the end. Harry throws a Sonic Pumpkin Bomb at Venom, in which Venom catches and throw back at Harry. Spiderman in an attempt to save Harry, webs the bomb and toss it away from innocent bystanders. Incidentally, it lands and explodes right where Flint’s daughter come running up calling for her father. Sandman goes after Spiderman with a huge sand mallet, bigger than before. Just as he is about to kill Spiderman, Harry pushes Spiderman away, and take the brute force of it and is knocked completely unconscious.


I’m not going to get into the remaining details of the final battle or surprising cliffhangers at the end. Take it for what it’s worth.

sounds very interesting. I don't think sandmans daughter will die though. that would be way too bad for a spidey movie. I think harry does die though but hey I could be wrong.

 

[Josh Bond]

sounds very interesting. I don't think sandmans daughter will die though. that would be way too bad for a spidey movie. I think harry does die though but hey I could be wrong.

ehh, all those kids in star wars episode 3 died.

 

[StylishHokie21]

I'm not buying some of this stuff. Sandman's daughter dying sounds ridiculous. How could Harry not die? That has to be false. If he doesn't die, then it wouldn't make any sense.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

They really shouldn't

Spoiler

kill Aunt May! Although it would be a good reason for peter to attack harry in his mension, as we see in the trailer.

I don't know i just don't want it to happen...

 

[Josh Bond]

They really shouldn't

Spoiler

kill Aunt May! Although it would be a good reason for peter to attack harry in his mension, as we see in the trailer.

I don't know i just don't want it to happen...

Are we sure that that was in Harry Mansion? It could have been anywhere.

 

[Rated-X]

You don't get it.

If Venom blames Peter for all of this, then why would he be punishing Gwen, if he supposedly likes her, and believes it was Peter who led her astray??

You can understand why he takes MJ, as she's the love of Peter's life, and will guarantee he'll show up to try and save her.

There's no reason for Gwen to be there.

I agree with you, there is no reason for Venom to punish Gwen, and that's the problem with his story. It doesn't make sense.
But we do know that Gwen was there, on top of the crane, dropped, pushed, or just fell off, but she was there. We saw Spiderman dive to save her.

 

[Dragon]

I agree with you, there is no reason for Venom to punish Gwen, and that's the problem with his story. It doesn't make sense.
But we do know that Gwen was there, on top of the crane, dropped, pushed, or just fell off, but she was there. We saw Spiderman dive to save her.

That's from the beginning of the movie, and its daytime. The final battle is at night.

 

[Rated-X]

I'm talking about the Comic-Con trailer. She fell off the crane, Spiderman dived and saved her, and it was definilely at night and at the constuction site. She was on top of a crane, and you could see the shell of the new building next to the crane.

 

[Josh Bond]

I'm talking about the Comic-Con trailer. She fell off the crane, Spiderman dived and saved her, and it was definilely at night and at the constuction site. She was on top of a crane, and you could see the shell of the new building next to the crane.

hmm, your right. Meybe Venom hates them both. Who knows.

 

[Naite22]

sounds very interesting. I don't think sandmans daughter will die though. that would be way too bad for a spidey movie. I think harry does die though but hey I could be wrong.

I would LOVE if Sandmans daughter dies... The spidey movies dont need to be so freaken pee-gee all the way.

 

[Naite22]

I'm thinking that most people will think that spider-man 3 will be such a ****ing repeater when it comes to the end!!!! ONES AGAIN, it's MJ that is kidnapped and they have to save her.. This is starting to tick me off... It has happened in ALL THREE MOVIE'S. You can't say that that isn't too weak! How tough would it have been to do something else, instead of little MJ beeing kidnapped... It is pretty much the same ****, you can't deny it, so please, DONT TRY! Just agree, and I'll feel a whole lot better.

 

[Naite22]

They could've easily made something new for the "kidnapping" which has acured in all three damn movie's.. They could've captured Harry and threatened to kill him. They could've taken Aunt May. They could've also taken a large large groupe of citizens and hold them captured... But nooo, they had to do the exact same as in the previous films.. Let's take MJ!!! That hasn't been done before... yeah, right.

 

[Dragon]

I'm talking about the Comic-Con trailer. She fell off the crane, Spiderman dived and saved her, and it was definilely at night and at the constuction site. She was on top of a crane, and you could see the shell of the new building next to the crane.

Yeah. That scene is in the Venom trailer. Gwen is wearing the pink blouse and brown skirt and she's falling toward the yellow crane. It's the beginning of the movie, not the end. It's the scene that was shot in New York on 54th street. And it's during the day. It looks dark because you're looking down at the street and the building she's falling from is black metal (It's a real building).

 

[FaT_tONle]

Sorry to be the one to inform you of the error in the author’s logic, but to put it politely, this is BS. The events does not remotely take place to anything similar to what that article is saying.


**Spoiler Warning **



First, there is no “Love Triangle” between Peter, MJ, and Gwen. It is more of a “Love Triangle” between Peter, MJ, and Harry. Gwen is only infatuated we Spiderman, and use her prowess flirtatious ability towards Peter in hopes to meet and get close to Spiderman. There is no upside/down kiss with Gwen. No one knows that happened except for the two involved. Peter is a lot more confident towards the ladies, but never once does he necessarily flirts with them… Gwen, Betty, Ursula, and the pretty & party girls. He is just a little more suave with the ladies because of the influences of the Alien Symbiote. Problems develop between Peter and Harry over MJ because of her insecurities with Peter, coupled with Harry’s own sense of loneliness and secretly longing for her.


Second, Harry does not die. He is seriously hurt and lie unconscious. The only deaths in this film is the death of Aunt May and Sandman’s daughter.

Let me explain. The story follows the iniquities(anger, hatred, and revenge) of three men, Peter, Harry, and Eddie. This is what everyone is missing in the tagline, “How long can a man face the darkness within”. That tagline really applies to all three men and not just Peter. All three men own iniquities are thrust to the forefront because of the loss or near loss of father figures that they conveniently blame someone else for. Which of course is the lesson that Peter learns, that his own selfishness and iniquity led to the events of Uncle Ben death. He will finally get over it.


Of course in Peter’s case, his anger and hatred is geared towards Flint Marko aka Sandman, for he thinks is the death of his father figure, Uncle Ben; in which he place blame and seek revenge against. Harry face a similar path; but of course, his anger & hatred is directed at Peter for the death of Norman Osborn; which really more involved jealousy, because he thinks his father’s love was stolen by Peter, as well as MJ‘s love.


Eddie and Gwen was once involved in a relationship dating back to the first film when Eddie was first hired by the Bugle(Eddie been on it for weeks). Eddie is rather close to Gwen parents and looks to George as a father figure. Gwen terminates her relationship with Eddie, because she feels his ambitions is getting in the way of their relationship; so he is trying to win her back throughout the film. Capt. Stacy is accidentally and seriously hurt by Sandman; but ironically, Eddie blames Spiderman for his injuries. Eddie is already blaming Peter for what he thinks is Gwen’s infatuation with him, for exposing Eddie doctoring photos of Spiderman, loss of his career, and being label a fraud by all the press in New York City. Characteristically, this the reason he end up in church asking God “to kill Peter Parker”. Once he is possessed by the Alien Symbiote and learns that Peter Parker is actually Spiderman, his anger and hatred begin to quickly manifests into the beast Venom.


Harry is indirectly responsible for the death of Aunt May, which is the reason why Peter goes over Harry’s house and kicks his arse and why later, Peter is still has a difficult time asking Harry for help, after the kidnapping of MJ, by Venom. Harry does feels bad about Aunt Mays death. However while pleading to Peter that it was accidental, in a sudden revelation, he realizes now that Peter was telling him the truth about Norman’s death and agrees to help save MJ. Harry’s recognition that it is not in Peter’s nature intentionally to harm anyone, begin his own healing from his father’s insatiable visions.


Here is a little nugget of a piece of the battle at the end. Harry throws a Sonic Pumpkin Bomb at Venom, in which Venom catches and throw back at Harry. Spiderman in an attempt to save Harry, webs the bomb and toss it away from innocent bystanders. Incidentally, it lands and explodes right where Flint’s daughter come running up calling for her father. Sandman goes after Spiderman with a huge sand mallet, bigger than before. Just as he is about to kill Spiderman, Harry pushes Spiderman away, and take the brute force of it and is knocked completely unconscious.


I’m not going to get into the remaining details of the final battle or surprising cliffhangers at the end. Take it for what it’s worth.

this is BS too

 

[Carnotaur3]

very interesting. sounds like gwen will be in the final battle after all, I think thats cool though. a classic spidey comic book moment of gwen getting dropped from the top of the building. the scene in the leaked trailer where spidey is falling and gwen is falling and spidey is trying to catch her is in fact true.

Yeah, but I have a problem with that. First off, that shot was during the day in the city. Second, Gwen had on the same pink shirt from the Spidey Celebration Day. So that shot has to be during that time period.

 

[Dragon]

No question, there are many troubling concept repeats, such as Spidey saving Gwen, Gwen being attracted at first to Spidey and then developing an interest in Peter.

I believe they'll go with Gwen being kidnapped in the end, with Venom repeating the goblin's position in one, making Peter choose who he'll save between MJ and Gwen as the goblin made him choose between MJ and the kids in the tram.

But hopefully there'll be enough interesting twists so as it's not like you're watching the same movie.

 

[Victarion]

I really don't think Harry would attack May, much less kill her. I sincerely hope this is all wrong. It sounds as if Alvin just took Eddie's stuff from the comics, rather than a good rewrite.

Being exposed as a fraud is no reason to ask God to kill a person.

If Eddie was an honest reporter who was trounced by Emo Peter, then him asking for Peter to be killed would fly better, imo.

-Morzan

 

[FaT_tONle]

^^^ agreed... look we have all known what Harry's fate was to be for some time... now some guy puts together a well worded sophisticated plot and you are all buying it... cmon we know what happens to Harry... the first plot was correct... Sandman's daughter dying? Only if she gets sick... but I think Flint will save her...

 

[Farren]

I really don't think Harry would attack May, much less kill her. I sincerely hope this is all wrong. It sounds as if Alvin just took Eddie's stuff from the comics, rather than a good rewrite.

-Morzan

I agree - that seems out of character for Harry.

I suppose 'indirect' could be like how he was indirectly responsible for DocOck snatching up MJ in SM2...but if that's the case, it hardly parallels the nature of Norman's death, so that seems like a stretch.

And the logic of it all sounds terrible:

Harry is indirectly responsible for the death of Aunt May, which is the reason why Peter goes over Harry’s house and kicks his arse and why later, Peter is still has a difficult time asking Harry for help, after the kidnapping of MJ, by Venom. Harry does feels bad about Aunt Mays death. However while pleading to Peter that it was accidental, in a sudden revelation, he realizes now that Peter was telling him the truth about Norman’s death and agrees to help save MJ. Harry’s recognition that it is not in Peter’s nature intentionally to harm anyone, begin his own healing from his father’s insatiable visions.

- I liked it better when we had Pete attacking Harry because the black suit was making him overreact. This makes it sound justified.