BvS MOS 2 and Justice League being filmed simultaneously?

[John-An]

^^^^

If you say so.... She didn't need to be that developed but having development enough, having one of the best parts of dialogue, action) in that was better that all the Marvel Universe villains on screen...
Troll detected. but a pretty bad one.

 

[jonathancrane]

If you says so.... She didn't need to be that developed but being in that was better that all the Marvel Universe villains on screen...
Troll detected. but a pretty bad one.

Pray tell, what makes her such a great character?

 

[MrsKent26]

She was about as developed as the the Homeless Man in Batman Begins. The only reason the fans elevate the character to iconic status is because the actress is attractive.

Obviously Faora was a secondary character and wasn't deeply developed, but this statement still seems exaggerated. I don't think many consider her to be in the "iconic status," but she made an impression with more than her looks. I'm a straight female and I enjoyed that character. She had enough development for a secondary "henchwoman." I don't think comparing her to the homeless man in BB fits.

 

[Capt. Marvelous]

I'd say this man is easily the #2 most popular modern CBM villain next to Christopher Nolan's Joker.

Winter Solider is the villain I'm looking forward to the most this year. Everything about him screams badass.

And of course, my favorite Marvel villain

 

[Capt. Marvelous]

Pray tell, what makes her such a great character?

She wasn't a great character. She was hollow. Barely a character at all.

She was more utilized for action purposes than characterization.


That being said, she was well performed. Antje nailed most of her lines, so she made a bit part.. entertaining.

 

[John-An]

Obviously Faora was a secondary character and wasn't deeply developed, but this statement still seems exaggerated. I don't think many consider her to be in the "iconic status," but she made an impression with more than her looks. I'm a straight female and I enjoyed that character. She had enough development for a secondary "henchwoman." I don't think comparing her to the homeless man in BB fits.

That trolling was bad and pathetic...

 

[MrsKent26]

I don't think he was trolling necessarily, but I don't agree with his comparisons.

And as for Marvel villains....I don't think they've ever had a truly great and menacing one like Heath's Joker. They just don't take their villains seriously enough it seems. Maybe that will change.

 

[John-An]

I wouldn't call them comparissons, I call it nonsense. If it was trolling it was a pretty bad one. but whatever.
Back to the important things

 

[Rocketman]

Iron Man 3 also made more money than The Shawshank Redemption, Fight Club, Se7en, There Will Be Blood, No Country for Old Men, and The Departed, for those interested. Just saying... Iron Man 3 was obviously a better film.

 

[Boom]

I didn't know that a 78% on RottenTomatoes and a 62/100 on MetaCritic is considered "critical acclaim."

Learn something new every day on these boards.

 

[DA_Champion]

For me, Faora was a great character because I enjoyed her presence in the story and yes, her dialogue and her interactions with hardy.

People who criticize Faora for not having an arc are ignorant of the story. Kryptonians raised in genesis chambers are not supposed to have arcs, that is the bloody point.

 

[jonathancrane]

I don't think he was trolling necessarily, but I don't agree with his comparisons.

And as for Marvel villains....I don't think they've ever had a truly great and menacing one like Heath's Joker. They just don't take their villains seriously enough it seems. Maybe that will change.

The disparity in tone between how the two respective companies handle their villains has spun numerous lines of debate. I am in the camp that like both companies: I love the hell out of Nolan's Trilogy, but also love the Marvel films,as well.

Out of the posters in this thread, you have been the most civil in the discussion. I argue that a character that is grossly elevated and am called a troll. I back up my arguments, instead of resorting to name-calling, even though I can make some accurate deductions about the individuals who say Faora is more developed than the entire Marvel pantheon. Granted I tend to embellish my comparison, but who does not? This is site where people complain about the mininscule (the type of boots Ms. Marvel will where) to the large (Killian is the Mandarin.)

Now, don't get me wrong: I have done this elevation before. Before the prequel trilogy, Boba Fett was one of my favorite characters from the Trilogy. The evocation of the Man with No Name and mystique made him my favorite (I went as him for Halloween, once.) But, in hindsight, he was about as developed as Faora. My point in this narrative is admitting that I elevated a second or third string character just because I liked them. Being a fan causes one to elevate characters from time to time. While I am proceeding on the critical line of inquiry that MoS's script is a mess, one has to recognize, that the end of the day, everything is relative.

Hence, I do not appreciate being called a troll. As the call-out in the second paragraph illustrates, it's not nice to assign one to an unsavory category because you disagree with them. One of my closest friends loves the Killing Joke; I am of the opinion it needs to be removed from the comic canon. However, I don't call him a troll for not recognizing the political and structural problems(asI perceive) therein. In short, don't call someone a name because you disagree with them.

 

[DA_Champion]

I don't think he was trolling necessarily, but I don't agree with his comparisons.

And as for Marvel villains....I don't think they've ever had a truly great and menacing one like Heath's Joker. They just don't take their villains seriously enough it seems. Maybe that will change.

Sebastian Shaw in x men first class is a great marvel villain.

 

[Capt. Marvelous]

Iron Man 3 also made more money than The Shawshank Redemption, Fight Club, Se7en, There Will Be Blood, No Country for Old Men, and The Departed, for those interested. Just saying... Iron Man 3 was obviously a better film.

Which one of those movies were tentpole summer blockbusters with 200 mil budgets?

Comparing IM3 to MOS makes sense. Comparing it to those films is like apples and oranges.

 

[Marvin]

I am aware that dialogue should not be the only aspect of a film to be considered in evaluation. However, I was responding to the poster who had written, "I think it comes down to whether or not quips are important to you. If they are, then you wil consider IM 3 a well written film."

For instance: Batman Begins has a great script, a near perfect cast (except for Holmes, who drained the vitality of every scene she was in,)and some nice action sequences (I love the dock raid.) However, Goyer's dialogue rams up the cheese factor to irritating levels, with lines such as "I gotta get me one of those." I can see why people like them, but I find them to be cheesy, and in excess in the film. A more problematic line happens with the people who were watching the water mains: the audience knows(and is seeing) what is happening; there was no reason to include them in the script, let alone cutaway to them, when the screentime could have been used better.

Thus, a good film is compromised by the cheesy dialogue. Compared to Man of Steel, however, the dialogue in BB sounds like it was written by Tom Stoppard.

1. If you want to play the "point out the lines of dialogue that reminds us that this isn't theater". It can just as easily be played with a dissection of dialogue in any marvel studios film(and marvel film in general). Nolan is a keen enough person to spot the silly lines as well but happily included them(even in his own re-write) no doubt do the fact that this stuff is usually welcomed and accepted in this material. Point being, it's just as present in IM3.

2. Again, the man wrote something like 1hour and a half of dialogue and you are pointing out 3 lines you thought didn't work. As assume you don't think the rest of the dialogue doesn't work...thus, he can write. I mean the percentages alone.

For example, if he wrote 2 straight hours of dialogue that didn't work....

I personally don't decide if a film is well written by 2 lines, but rather, if the film is well written. The same way when grading a test I don't decide if the student did a good job based on 2 out of 40 questions. Can only speak for myself though.

Lastly, the corn in the first blade movie is bliss for me.

 

[roach]

and Avatar made more than all of them so it's the best movie ever made.

 

[Capt. Marvelous]

Sebastian Shaw in x men first class is a great marvel villain.

I think James Spader as Ultron will be the one to beat.

He is fantastic on The Blacklist.


Ulton sounds like Marvel's answer to 'Brainiac'

 

[Marvin]

Sebastian Shaw in x men first class is a great marvel villain.

Curious, was he infact running around with Bishop's powers?

 

[roach]

Curious, was he infact running around with Bishop's powers?

Shaw absorbs anything he is hit with and converts it to strength.

Bishop absorbs energy and can fire it back.

 

[DA_Champion]

and Avatar made more than all of them so it's the best movie ever made.

Avatar has a higher rotten tomatoes score than iron man 3.

 

[Capt. Marvelous]

and Avatar made more than all of them so it's the best movie ever made.

There's certainly some strength behind the opinion of it being one of the best big budget releases, though not a summer release. It has strong critical and audience responses, on top of it's impressive box office.

 

[jonathancrane]

1. If you want to play the "point out the lines of dialogue that reminds us that this isn't theater". It can just as easily be played with a dissection of dialogue in any marvel studios film(and marvel film in general). Nolan is a keen enough person to spot the silly lines as well but happily included them(even in his own re-write) no doubt do the fact that this stuff is usually welcomed and accepted in this material. Point being, it's just as present in IM3.

2. Again, the man wrote something like 1hour and a half of dialogue and you are pointing out 3 lines you thought didn't work. As assume you don't think the rest of the dialogue doesn't work...thus, he can write. I mean the percentages alone.

For example, if he wrote 2 straight hours of dialogue that didn't work....

I personally don't decide if a film is well written by 2 lines, but rather, if the film is well written. The same way when grading a test I don't decide if the student did a good job based on 2 out of 40 questions. Can only speak for myself though.

Lastly, the corn in the first blade movie is bliss for me.

Again, I was pointing out the s**tty lines, while deconstructing the argument thread about IM3. Dialogue is not the only factor to be used in evaluating a film. As for IM3, the cheese is to be expected, unlike the serious DC films.

 

[DA_Champion]

Again, I was pointing out the s**tty lines, while deconstructing the argument thread about IM3. Dialogue is not the only factor to be used in evaluating a film. As for IM3, the cheese is to be expected, unlike the serious DC films.

There is nothing in MoS as cringeworthy for me as the skydiving scene in IM 3, or Selvig running around naked in Thor 2.

 

[Capt. Marvelous]

Most of MoS' cringeworthy moments and lines were unintentionally cringeworthy.

 

[jonathancrane]

There is nothing in MoS as cringeworthy for me as the skydiving scene in IM 3, or Selvig running around naked in Thor 2.

That's your opinion.

Having said enough on the topic, I do question why this thread is still going, considering the rumor was debunked,