Superman Returns My one problem with Superman Returns

The thing is competition is part of the summer season,SR is just another blockbuster next year and needs to hoild it's own amongst the other big hitters
 
normally id agree but when its 250 million and with sequels on the line, hoping holding own is too big of a risk.
 
Excel said:
normally id agree but when its 250 million and with sequels on the line, hoping holding own is too big of a risk.
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It can still make WOTW money which is enough
 
Hunter i don't like that at all. You don't want to make it have to stand on its own two feet against a mega hit from just a few years ago, when you are trying to restart a pretty dead franchise.

Superman Returns will need every advantage it can get, and if they can get it complete by May. They should seriously think about it.
 
hunter rider said:
It can still make WOTW money which is enough[/QUOTE

sorry but idotta disagree. if its costing 250 million on production budget alone,233 million in the u.s. will NOT be enough.
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I remember reading a few places that you only make 1/2 your domestic and only 1/3 your worldwide box office. And considering 250 mil is without marketing more then likely, they need every penny unless they are expecting new DVD sales records.
 
Excel said:
sorry but idotta disagree. if its costing 250 million on production budget alone,233 million in the u.s. will NOT be enough.
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I was thinking of the $600M WW that WOTW has made

DarthSkywalker said:
Hunter i don't like that at all. You don't want to make it have to stand on its own two feet against a mega hit from just a few years ago, when you are trying to restart a pretty dead franchise.

Superman Returns will need every advantage it can get, and if they can get it complete by May. They should seriously think about it.
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If it releases in May it will face just as much competition from Mi-3,X-3 and The Da Vinci Code,there is nowhere to hide in the summer season now
 
oh yeah i wouldnt want it in may right now. my idea had w.b. paying paramount ot move mi3 to july fourth and then moving posiedon so itd look like:

may5th-superman
may12th-nothing
may 19th-da vinci, over hedge, posedion
 
and 600 million ww is decent, but i seriosuly think w.b. expecting bigger numbers.
 
Excel said:
oh yeah i wouldnt want it in may right now. my idea had w.b. paying paramount ot move mi3 to july fourth and then moving posiedon so itd look like:

may5th-superman
may12th-nothing
may 19th-da vinci, over hedge, posedion
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Paramout wouldnt move,they have the best week to open in and it is their biggest movie next year
 
depends really. what i suggested was give mi3's trailer with 100% of superman copies and pay em like, 15 million maybe? when you consider cruise proved hes a box office dra and aside from pirates, theres no much in july as opposed to may, i think ti owuld be worth a shot to negotiate. especially as mi3s original date was june 29th 2005.
 
Excel said:
depends really. what i suggested was give mi3's trailer with 100% of superman copies and pay em like, 15 million maybe? when you consider cruise proved hes a box office dra and aside from pirates, theres no much in july as opposed to may, i think ti owuld be worth a shot to negotiate. especially as mi3s original date was june 29th 2005.
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The thing is $15M is small change,it's not even covering Cruise's salary,they are in a prime spot and dont want to put there big tentpole movie up against POTC2
WB would have to offer so much money it wouldn't be worth it
 
What is going on in early June then? Could be open for something big.

Actually all you have to do is move the movie back one week.
 
At the end of the day the release date is completely irrelivent. If this is a great movie its going to do great box office. Forest Gump and Pirates were both released in July and did great Box office becasue they were very well recieved. Passion of the Christ was released in February and did great box office. Lord of the Rings and sequels in December as was Titanic. Star Wars in May. Jurassic Park in June. The Sixth Sense in August. The release date has nothing to do with sucess (OK maybe Cinderella Man to the contrary!) - if this movie is very good so will its box office plain and simple.
 
hunter rider said:
The thing is $15M is small change,it's not even covering Cruise's salary,they are in a prime spot and dont want to put there big tentpole movie up against POTC2
WB would have to offer so much money it wouldn't be worth it
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i dunno really, they wanted the july fourth release even when pirates was there, it was superman that scared em off. but you to think, superman is the kinda movie that if it open in may would make tons of cash get mi3's trailer very wide exposure-lot more then it would ever get it is released in say march like it would have to be so far. so mi3 exposure would go up a lot, their budget down, and itd probably in the end make about roughly the same money.

as for rob in todays day and age of front loadedness mass hype and not very high mulitpliers,most average roughly 2.7.-3, release dates matter a ton cause they effect what you get opening weekend, which is where the bulk of the money comes from.
 
DarthSkywalker said:
Thanks. I seriously don't fer anything on June 23, and everything coming out is one look, and never again. They should think about moving it back a week. But then again they are going for the 4th's box office. Maybe they could splite the difference and go for a Wed release.
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I would say move it to the 16th,that means they get the jump on Charlottes web and avoid POTC2 by 3 weeks
 
Excel said:
i dunno really, they wanted the july fourth release even when pirates was there, it was superman that scared em off. but you to think, superman is the kinda movie that if it open in may would make tons of cash get mi3's trailer very wide exposure-lot more then it would ever get it is released in say march like it would have to be so far. so mi3 exposure would go up a lot, their budget down, and itd probably in the end make about roughly the same money.

as for rob in todays day and age of front loadedness mass hype and not very high mulitpliers,most average roughly 2.7.-3, release dates matter a ton cause they effect what you get opening weekend, which is where the bulk of the money comes from.
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Mi-3 will get loads of exposure anyway,to the viewing public it is as big a release as SR and it's stars wil be everywhere promoting it andit is the third in a hugely popular franchise
they were set on July 4th this year until it was posponed for WOTW
Mi-3 since then has always been set for May 5th 2006 it never moved
Paramount wont move no matter what.the other studios arent gonna back away to help WB
 
DarthSkywalker said:
Thanks. I seriously don't fer anything on June 23, and everything coming out is one look, and never again. They should think about moving it back a week. But then again they are going for the 4th's box office. Maybe they could splite the difference and go for a Wed release.
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I wouldn't say that...you know how the summer box office tends to surprise. I already see four movies on that list that will cross 100 mil more than likely.
 
I still don't see what is wrong with a Weds release......The 28th.
 
hunter rider said:
I would say move it to the 16th,that means they get the jump on Charlottes web and avoid POTC2 by 3 weeks
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Yeah, but is Charlotte's Web that big a deal?

Pickle-El said:
I still don't see what is wrong with a Weds release......The 28th.
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This for me is the ideal day if they are going for the end of June.
 
DarthSkywalker said:
Yeah, but is Charlotte's Web that big a deal?



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It's a very popular book and i think the young ones and families will go to it.

This reminds me of the BB BO predictions,everyone was over the top in their expectations,
i expect SR to share the top spots next summer with 2 or 3 other blockbuster releases,yet ppl are already suggesting $100M openings and $800M WW takes,not to mention Summer domination

I think we all need to realise in the new crowded market and with the new importance of DVD sales a take of $500M will be a success for SR
 
hunter rider said:
It's a very popular book and i think the young ones and families will go to it.

This reminds me of the BB BO predictions,everyone was over the top in their expectations,
i expect SR to share the top spots next summer with 2 or 3 other blockbuster releases,yet ppl are already suggesting $100M openings and $800M WW takes,not to mention Summer domination

I think we all need to realise in the new crowded market and with the new importance of DVD sales a take of $500M will be a success for SR
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I am hoping for 500-600 million WW. They get that, the DVD sales should more then do well.

But i don't know about CW. I just doesn't hit as Summer hit, more of something that would of fit in Nov. But not June. We will see though.
 
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